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losttwo #1 Posted 22 May 2019 - 12:13 AM

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It is time to discuss the ADA or

How experience players turn caps and win by superiority.

 

One of the easiest ways to win a match is simply to go from point to point shooting down ADA.

Airport is held by the red team and you want it, go shoot down the ADA and make it blue.

Garrison just got flipped to red. Wait 10 seconds for the ADA to refresh and shoot them down.

Now its blue.

 

The big exception is the mining plant. You would do well to have good GAA or bombers on your team for those.

You even actually have to shoot the enemy to capture it. Sometimes.

 

A bomber just puts the finish touches to Military base and turns it red. All the ADA turn to flames.

Bomber flies off to the next capture point.

10 seconds later comes Mr hot shot in his Lagg 3(34) and destroys the newly formed ADA.

Now the military base is BLUE.

 

What would happen to superiority, game dynamics, and the level of fun if WG did away with the ADA.

 

Would bombers become more relevant ?

What about GA ?

Currently all a GA has to do is shoot 3 of the 4 ADA to capture a center.

Doesn't have to hit a single ground target.

Bombers ? Well I don't exactly know about bombers and how they capture.

I have not really played them enough to try. I have just flown around drop bombs and that is about it for me.

I have also used my bomber to ram other planes.

 

I think if WG did away with the ADA it might change the dynamic enough to make the game more interesting

More engaging. More dog fighty.

 

A better system for the Bombers to change superiority as well as GAA.

 

Just my thoughts on the matter.

 

 



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well, that's something that nobody's thought of yet, so there's that...

 

i personally like ADA    i make (some) money from killing them    i flip caps by killing them

 

it certainly would make the game different, but surely WG play-tested only red bots before adding ADA 

 

otherwise, not a lot for LFs to do


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I've seen many bombers solo cap bases. 
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CorvusCorvax #4 Posted 22 May 2019 - 01:08 AM

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IIRC, military bases and command centers cannot be captured solely by shooting down the ADA.  For both of those, you need at least one ground target.  Airbases and airfields cannot be taken solely by ground target destruction, also IIRC.

GeorgePatton #5 Posted 22 May 2019 - 01:13 AM

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View Postlosttwo, on 21 May 2019 - 07:13 PM, said:

It is time to discuss the ADA or

How experience players turn caps and win by superiority.

 

One of the easiest ways to win a match is simply to go from point to point shooting down ADA.

Airport is held by the red team and you want it, go shoot down the ADA and make it blue.

Garrison just got flipped to red. Wait 10 seconds for the ADA to refresh and shoot them down.

Now its blue.

 

The big exception is the mining plant. You would do well to have good GAA or bombers on your team for those.

You even actually have to shoot the enemy to capture it. Sometimes.

 

A bomber just puts the finish touches to Military base and turns it red. All the ADA turn to flames.

Bomber flies off to the next capture point.

10 seconds later comes Mr hot shot in his Lagg 3(34) and destroys the newly formed ADA.

Now the military base is BLUE.

 

What would happen to superiority, game dynamics, and the level of fun if WG did away with the ADA.

 

Would bombers become more relevant ?

What about GA ?

Currently all a GA has to do is shoot 3 of the 4 ADA to capture a center.

Doesn't have to hit a single ground target.

Bombers ? Well I don't exactly know about bombers and how they capture.

I have not really played them enough to try. I have just flown around drop bombs and that is about it for me.

I have also used my bomber to ram other planes.

 

I think if WG did away with the ADA it might change the dynamic enough to make the game more interesting

More engaging. More dog fighty.

 

A better system for the Bombers to change superiority as well as GAA.

 

Just my thoughts on the matter.

 

 

 

For the most part, this is true on how to flip caps. The main exception I have to this is that it's more effective to shoot down actual enemy aircraft (as opposed to red ADA) whether those be players or bots. They give more CP towards flipping.

 

 

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Booze_Morgan #6 Posted 22 May 2019 - 01:27 AM

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Need more humans for that to be as fun as it sounds like it could be.

 

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View PostCorvusCorvax, on 21 May 2019 - 08:08 PM, said:

IIRC, military bases and command centers cannot be captured solely by shooting down the ADA.  For both of those, you need at least one ground target.  Airbases and airfields cannot be taken solely by ground target destruction, also IIRC.

 

Actually, only Forward Airstrips cannot be capped solely by ground targets unless you let them respawn. You can capture Airbases through ground targets alone, though it's a bit of a close one :bajan:


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View PostLMG, on 22 May 2019 - 02:25 AM, said:

 

Actually, only Forward Airstrips cannot be capped solely by ground targets unless you let them respawn. You can capture Airbases through ground targets alone, though it's a bit of a close one :bajan:

 

Thank you!  I have only capped airbases via ADA kill, so... 

losttwo #9 Posted 22 May 2019 - 09:07 AM

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View PostBooze_Morgan, on 21 May 2019 - 08:27 PM, said:

Need more humans for that to be as fun as it sounds like it could be.

 

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 so as I read that I realized my entire post was invalid.

A bot being able to care about capturing sectors, I must be drunk.

It would be like 1.5 and the 1 vs 1 matches all over again and achieving thunder medals in the P-12.

At most we would end up wit ha 5 vs 5 match, never seen any more humans than that.

Despite 53 humans showing up on my contact list.



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View Postlosttwo, on 22 May 2019 - 10:07 AM, said:

A bot being able to care about capturing sectors, 

 

Bots only seem to care about easy sectors ... they all fly off to the nearest garrison, ignoring the missile and air base.


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losttwo #11 Posted 22 May 2019 - 10:03 AM

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View PostCorvusCorvax, on 21 May 2019 - 08:08 PM, said:

IIRC, military bases and command centers cannot be captured solely by shooting down the ADA.  For both of those, you need at least one ground target.  Airbases and airfields cannot be taken solely by ground target destruction, also IIRC.

 

Actually in the game the tier 4 and tier 5  neutral  military bases you only need  take out the 2 heavy fighters.

1 additional fighter if its red.

Unless of course my games are glitched.



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View Postlosttwo, on 22 May 2019 - 11:03 AM, said:

Actually in the game the tier 4 and tier 5  neutral  military bases you only need  take out the 2 heavy fighters.

 

Not in my experience ... I always pick the missile base to take out the 2 heavies, hoping that someone else will get some ground targets. If nobody does, I get the hell out because the AA is very effective. 
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CorvusCorvax #13 Posted 22 May 2019 - 12:57 PM

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View PostGonerNL, on 22 May 2019 - 10:10 AM, said:

 

Not in my experience ... I always pick the missile base to take out the 2 heavies, hoping that someone else will get some ground targets. If nobody does, I get the hell out because the AA is very effective. 

 

That's what I was trying to say.  You can't take a military base by only shooting down the ADA.  You either have to blow up a ground target, or shoot down a red plane, in zone.

 

This is exactly why I carry bombs on my heavy fighters.  Soloing a military base is easy if you can get one ground target first.



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View PostCorvusCorvax, on 22 May 2019 - 01:57 PM, said:

You can't take a military base by only shooting down the ADA.  

 

Exactly, that's why I'm confused by losttwo's remark :

Actually in the game the tier 4 and tier 5  neutral  military bases you only need  take out the 2 heavy fighters.
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Ace_BOTlistic_Cosmo #15 Posted 22 May 2019 - 04:00 PM

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View Postlosttwo, on 22 May 2019 - 04:07 AM, said:

It would be like 1.5 and the 1 vs 1 matches all over again and achieving thunder medals in the P-12.

:great:

lost2 in a P12: truce---> wanna clear all ground targets, then fight?

AceBallisticC also in a P12: ok :)


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View PostAce_BOTlistic_Cosmo, on 22 May 2019 - 11:00 AM, said:

:great:

lost2 in a P12: truce---> wanna clear all ground targets, then fight?

AceBallisticC also in a P12: ok :)

 

And that was exactly what it was like.

Can't remember how many times 2 pilots would make that agreement in the 1vs1 battles.

Here is the closest video I have of a match that was similar.



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View Postlosttwo, on 22 May 2019 - 09:07 AM, said:

 

 

It would be like 1.5 and the 1 vs 1 matches all over again and achieving thunder medals in the P-12.

At most we would end up wit ha 5 vs 5 match, never seen any more humans than that.

 

I hated the short list queues.  2 v. 2?  I can't tell you how many times my partner would zoom right into the middle and get shot down within 30 seconds of battle start.  "Dude, come on."

 

I think I won about 10% of those battles, but only because one of the red players would get distracted, and separate from the other guy.  

 

I think that I played all of about a month of 1.5 and just said "screw it, this sucks" and just plain stopped playing.  I didn't actually get back in until late in 1.7.



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View PostCorvusCorvax, on 22 May 2019 - 12:10 PM, said:

I hated the short list queues.  2 v. 2?  I can't tell you how many times my partner would zoom right into the middle and get shot down within 30 seconds of battle start.  "Dude, come on."

 

I think I won about 10% of those battles, but only because one of the red players would get distracted, and separate from the other guy.  

 

I think that I played all of about a month of 1.5 and just said "screw it, this sucks" and just plain stopped playing.  I didn't actually get back in until late in 1.7.

 

yeah it was horrendous for new players. While experienced players walked away with the wins.

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View Postlosttwo, on 22 May 2019 - 05:13 PM, said:

 

yeah it was horrendous for new players. While experienced players walked away with the wins.

 

At T5, you'd think a guy would know a little something about how to play!

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View PostCorvusCorvax, on 22 May 2019 - 12:16 PM, said:

 

At T5, you'd think a guy would know a little something about how to play!

 

You're joking right ?

There are people that rush up the tiers to get the better plane.

ID10T errors that think the higher tier plane is the answer to winning.

Not once thinking about learning how to play.

Almost as dumb as the " this is a pay to win game " morons.







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