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Booze_Morgan #1 Posted 21 May 2019 - 04:39 PM

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Gonna start up the German fighter and heavy line.  About to tackle the 109B, which I was never great at.  My understanding is that this plane is a B&Z type fighter that should never get that low or try to turn fight against anything. If you ladies and gentlemen would, give me pointers or direct me to another thread as to not make a duplicate thread. Thanks.

 

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nwlxn12 #2 Posted 21 May 2019 - 05:21 PM

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In my opinion, the 109b is probably the strongest 109 tier wise.  I think they only get weaker per tier as you level up.  Tier 8, 9, and 10, make the grind worth it though.  Some people do well in the 109's, I personally do not like them.  Definitely want to stay high and maintain your energy in them, only going low after the higher planes have been dealt with.  They are Ok when using the B&Z tactic, but if you stray from that you usually end up paying for it.

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View Postnwlxn12, on 21 May 2019 - 11:21 AM, said:

In my opinion, the 109b is probably the strongest 109 tier wise.  I think they only get weaker per tier as you level up.  Tier 8, 9, and 10, make the grind worth it though.  Some people do well in the 109's, I personally do not like them.  Definitely want to stay high and maintain your energy in them, only going low after the higher planes have been dealt with.  They are Ok when using the B&Z tactic, but if you stray from that you usually end up paying for it.

 

Thanks, that's what I thought.  My flying of it does not make it look like the strongest tier wise, tho. :(

 

In a tier 4 fight, it seems I fight mostly Boomerangs, which rarely get high-ish.  In a tier 5 battle, there are Beaus, takes forever to kill one with the quickly overheating guns, and a Beau rear gunner never misses me, so I have to try to get belly shots all I can.  So perhaps I should just get and stay high for a few battles, as you suggest, and don't B&Z till later, if we have not already lost the battle. Can't depend on bots to take out the low fliers.

 

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109B is in an interesting spot - it is wildly overpowered in its own tier  but the moment you run into tier 5, it falls flat on its face. Its main advantages are the same as the rest of the Messerschmitt fighter line - excellent energy conversion and conservation - it doesn't lose a lot of speed in maneuvers, it accelerates very well, especially going upwards and is at home in a vertical fight. Its armament is deadly at tier 4 and decent at tier 5. Its biggest weakness is that it simply cannot keep pace with a Specialized Spitfire I. The Spitfire I is faster, turns better, has a more powerful engine and thus acceleration meaning that it can easily outmatch you in a dogfight regardless of what you do, plus ferocious firepower.

 

Playstyle is vertical mixed; you out-turn anything that can out-speed you and out-speed anything that can out-turn you. Your most important assets are altitude and speed - slowing down will be deadly against anything with higher turn than you. If you need to turn, keep it in the vertical, not the horizontal. At the start of any match, climb. Climb as high as you can then work your way downwards. Learn how to use your manual controls - pitch, roll and yaw - to yank the plane around harder. Since your energy retention and generation is excellent, you can afford to pull such energy-sucking maneuvers better than most.

 

Personally, the 109E is the best 109 tier for tier since it is competitive both at tier 5 and tier 6. The 109B is a tier 4 sealclubber but once it finds itself bottom tier, the difficulty ramps up dramatically.

 

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View PostSpiritFoxMY, on 21 May 2019 - 09:32 AM, said:

109B is in an interesting spot - it is wildly overpowered in its own tier  but the moment you run into tier 5, it falls flat on its face. Its main advantages are the same as the rest of the Messerschmitt fighter line - excellent energy conversion and conservation - it doesn't lose a lot of speed in maneuvers, it accelerates very well, especially going upwards and is at home in a vertical fight. Its armament is deadly at tier 4 and decent at tier 5. Its biggest weakness is that it simply cannot keep pace with a Specialized Spitfire I. The Spitfire I is faster, turns better, has a more powerful engine and thus acceleration meaning that it can easily outmatch you in a dogfight regardless of what you do, plus ferocious firepower.

 

Playstyle is vertical mixed; you out-turn anything that can out-speed you and out-speed anything that can out-turn you. Your most important assets are altitude and speed - slowing down will be deadly against anything with higher turn than you. If you need to turn, keep it in the vertical, not the horizontal. At the start of any match, climb. Climb as high as you can then work your way downwards. Learn how to use your manual controls - pitch, roll and yaw - to yank the plane around harder. Since your energy retention and generation is excellent, you can afford to pull such energy-sucking maneuvers better than most.

 

Personally, the 109E is the best 109 tier for tier since it is competitive both at tier 5 and tier 6. The 109B is a tier 4 sealclubber but once it finds itself bottom tier, the difficulty ramps up dramatically.

 

Old game but its the only 109B game I have in my list...

 

Actually SpiritFoxMY, (this will apply to the Bf-109E more, but still applies here), he shouldn't bother vertical turnfighting against a lot of planes, because a lot of planes have nearly the exact same horsepower from their engines, so they will vertical turnfight just as well.

 

 

Particularly the Spitfire I. Contrary to popular belief, the 20 mms are NOT the only thing, if even the biggest thing, making it overpowered. That top engine is WAY overpowered for Tier V, and is rated at something like 1,400(!) horsepower while nearly every other Tier V light fighter has to make do with 1,200 horsepower at best.

 

Take the example of a sphere. Randomly point to any angle on it, and that is an angle that the Spitfire I can comfortably turnfight at. Basically, the Spitfire I can turnfight comfortably at ANY angle, giving a massive middle finger to both physics and in-game balance.


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View Postlegoboy0401, on 21 May 2019 - 11:49 AM, said:

 

Actually SpiritFoxMY, (this will apply to the Bf-109E more, but still applies here), he shouldn't bother vertical turnfighting against a lot of planes, because a lot of planes have nearly the exact same horsepower from their engines, so they will vertical turnfight just as well.

 

 

Particularly the Spitfire I. Contrary to popular belief, the 20 mms are NOT the only thing, if even the biggest thing, making it overpowered. That top engine is WAY overpowered for Tier V, and is rated at something like 1,400(!) horsepower while nearly every other Tier V light fighter has to make do with 1,200 horsepower at best.

 

Take the example of a sphere. Randomly point to any angle on it, and that is an angle that the Spitfire I can comfortably turnfight at. Basically, the Spitfire I can turnfight comfortably at ANY angle, giving a massive middle finger to both physics and in-game balance.

 

I thought about going up the Spitfire line, loved the Attacker, but it is just too easy.  One goal of mine is to out-strategize Spit pilots and defeat them using the 109s' positives, if I can learn to use them competantly and habitually. 

 

Back to the 109B,  gonna read and reread Spirit's post and apply it as best I can.  The tier 4 Spit, the Bristol, is a great plane, but I think I can best it if I do 109B things well.


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View Postlegoboy0401, on 21 May 2019 - 05:49 PM, said:

 

Actually SpiritFoxMY, (this will apply to the Bf-109E more, but still applies here), he shouldn't bother vertical turnfighting against a lot of planes, because a lot of planes have nearly the exact same horsepower from their engines, so they will vertical turnfight just as well.

 

 

 

Except they don't.  Stats don't tell the whole story.  And the stats that AREN'T published are what set the Bf-109 line apart from the others.  The B and the E both.  THe F is actually really good at T6, but only if you use it a certain way.

 

SpirtFoxMY has much more experience than you in this aircraft.  He knows what he is talking about here.



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View PostCorvusCorvax, on 21 May 2019 - 12:34 PM, said:

.  THe F is actually really good at T6, but only if you use it a certain way.

 

What's the certain way (to include Specialist as I will not fly a plane unless I buy it), if you wish to tell me.  I will be coming back to this thread and following 109 threads for a long time.

 

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AfterPartyBooze:  I just handled a couple Specialized Spits, but apparently they were not THAT good, so it is possible. Did it by trying to stay high-ish and coming down on them. Also, they were not that good.

 

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Just graduated to the 109 E Emile.

 

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View PostSpiritFoxMY, on 21 May 2019 - 11:32 AM, said:

Personally, the 109E is the best 109 tier for tier since it is competitive both at tier 5 and tier 6. The 109B is a tier 4 sealclubber but once it finds itself bottom tier, the difficulty ramps up dramatically.

 

Old game but its the only 109B game I have in my list...

 

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View PostBooze_Morgan, on 21 May 2019 - 01:59 PM, said:

What's the certain way (to include Specialist as I will not fly a plane unless I buy it), if you wish to tell me.  I will be coming back to this thread and following 109 threads for a long time.

 

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ReBooze: And to repeat, I will happily refer to previous threads (of which I remember posting in at least one talking like I knew what I was talking about.)

 

LastCallBooze: And how am I having zero warning points? Hell.

 

AfterPartyBooze:  I just handled a couple Specialized Spits, but apparently they were not THAT good, so it is possible. Did it by trying to stay high-ish and coming down on them. Also, they were not that good.

 

 

Impressive writing skill: :medal: I love it.

 

I can't really give you much on the 109's B,E,F,G,H or any of the German line since the hostile take over hit in 1.8 to current.

 

The best I can recall is that FoxMike was basically telling it like it is and you can disregard the rest.

The German 109 series has always been an excellent B&Z altitude fighter. They even make me look good doing B&Z.

Yes I have done a couple of battles in mine since my return but not much.

 

What has amazed me about the 109 series in the current game configuration is how well they do maneuver in turns and turn fighting.

Then again, like you it could be that I have not come against any proficient pilots like Bandet, 911, Gin-n-Tonic, Dreamer and the list goes on.

 



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View Postlosttwo, on 21 May 2019 - 01:47 PM, said:

 

Impressive writing skill: :medal: I love it.

 

I can't really give you much on the 109's B,E,F,G,H or any of the German line since the hostile take over hit in 1.8 to current.

 

The best I can recall is that FoxMike was basically telling it like it is and you can disregard the rest.

The German 109 series has always been an excellent B&Z altitude fighter. They even make me look good doing B&Z.

Yes I have done a couple of battles in mine since my return but not much.

 

What has amazed me about the 109 series in the current game configuration is how well they do maneuver in turns and turn fighting.

Then again, like you it could be that I have not come against any proficient pilots like Bandet, 911, Gin-n-Tonic, Dreamer and the list goes on.

 

 

Thanks for the man-flowers dude.:medal:

 

Yeah, I'd bet my 2 litre plastic bottle bottom shelf margarita pre-mix as I work my way up, I'll hit the wall made of great pilots. That's why I am trying to get this down NOW, before the constant agony of defeat I am purposely headed for. (Dang that was a long sentence, for me.) My goal is for the pilots on the OTHER side to see my name and think, "Oh @&^%, It's Booze, and not the pilots on MY side.:trollface:

 

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OK let's compare the 109E to the P-40 and the Spit !. The 40 can get higher faster than the Spit, right? or is that backa$$wards?

 

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View PostBooze_Morgan, on 21 May 2019 - 06:59 PM, said:

What's the certain way (to include Specialist as I will not fly a plane unless I buy it), if you wish to tell me.  I will be coming back to this thread and following 109 threads for a long time.

 

Booze

 

ReBooze: And to repeat, I will happily refer to previous threads (of which I remember posting in at least one talking like I knew what I was talking about.)

 

LastCallBooze: And how am I having zero warning points? Hell.

 

AfterPartyBooze:  I just handled a couple Specialized Spits, but apparently they were not THAT good, so it is possible. Did it by trying to stay high-ish and coming down on them. Also, they were not that good.

 

 

No, people in specialized Spits are not always good.  You can get specialized just flying them, and because they are easy to fly, they are easy to specialize.  Bombers are hard.  All light fighters are dead easy.  Spits are cheap and easy.

 

The 109F has a magic range where all the guns are most effective.  If you don't shoot until you get in that range, you are MUCH more likely to be successful.  If you open up at max hub cannon range, it is a lot harder to fly this plane well.



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View PostCorvusCorvax, on 21 May 2019 - 03:13 PM, said:

 

No, people in specialized Spits are not always good.  You can get specialized just flying them, and because they are easy to fly, they are easy to specialize.  Bombers are hard.  All light fighters are dead easy.  Spits are cheap and easy.

 

The 109F has a magic range where all the guns are most effective.  If you don't shoot until you get in that range, you are MUCH more likely to be successful.  If you open up at max hub cannon range, it is a lot harder to fly this plane well.

 

I will look for that magic range in the F, then.  It is probably a good range to know as so far, the 109's guns overheat pretty quickly. Thanks Corvus.

 

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I have had mad buckets of fun in both the B and E Me-109s.  Nimble as heck in the vertical, decent in the horizontal, and once you get some Marksman/gunsights on, decent firepower.  Don't hunt HF/bombers if you can avoid it, you aren't that tough.

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View Postqu33kKC, on 22 May 2019 - 12:53 AM, said:

I have had mad buckets of fun in both the B and E Me-109s.  Nimble as heck in the vertical, decent in the horizontal, and once you get some Marksman/gunsights on, decent firepower.  Don't hunt HF/bombers if you can avoid it, you aren't that tough.

 

HFs they can do okay.  Bombers only if you can stay in the undefended zones.  Even then, only the fully-upgunned Emil can do real work.  The 109B can deal with T4 bombers, but it's not the best at that.  Can be pressed into service, if necessary, but not the best choice.

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View Postqu33kKC, on 21 May 2019 - 06:53 PM, said:

I have had mad buckets of fun in both the B and E Me-109s.  Nimble as heck in the vertical, decent in the horizontal, and once you get some Marksman/gunsights on, decent firepower.  Don't hunt HF/bombers if you can avoid it, you aren't that tough.

 

View PostCorvusCorvax, on 21 May 2019 - 07:06 PM, said:

 

HFs they can do okay.  Bombers only if you can stay in the undefended zones.  Even then, only the fully-upgunned Emil can do real work.  The 109B can deal with T4 bombers, but it's not the best at that.  Can be pressed into service, if necessary, but not the best choice.

 

Yeah I think I'm gonna save bomber attacking for the heavies.  Not good enough yet to find the magic no-spray area behind a bomber.  I killed a few of the USSR ones, that was easy, but the bot flights of several planes ate my lunch. Just once, tho. Once.

 

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i'm a confirmed turner, but i do love the 109 line so much, all the way up       

 

the F and G are harder to figure out, but better pilots do well in them      the G just got a buff, so there's that

 

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View Posttrikke, on 21 May 2019 - 07:31 PM, said:

i'm a confirmed turner, but i do love the 109 line so much, all the way up       

 

the F and G are harder to figure out, but better pilots do well in them      the G just got a buff, so there's that

 

turn fighters are so 2018

 

Brilliant!

 

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