blindfoId, on 15 May 2019 - 09:54 AM, said:
Technically, you crit gunners when you crit the appropriate hitbox. mnbv_fockewulfe showed good examples.
Doesn't it? If it really is so I need to bring it to the attention of the team but I'd be grateful for any additional information (screenshots and replays for example) for proper report if you bother.
I'm fairly certain that with the information provided, above, you could report this issue to the developers. Then, they could play-test it themselves to see if they can replicate the issue. (This is what I was talking about before when we were talking about bugs.) I am going to try this again - I want to use the IL-2(t) and the Me-265 as model aircraft, and use a cannon-equipped aircraft with gold ammo to prove to myself what the results are. I might use my IL-10M, because then I can really loiter back there and concentrate on that one hitbox.
To everyone else - have none of you ever met me in-game? I have no issues shooting down GAA (or any other aircraft) I shoot at aircraft specifically for crits in certain cases (my Bf-109E vs. P-38F engine, for example, or my Me-262 vs. RB-17 engine, for another) and have been noticing that I can crit every module on a plane except the gunner. Last night in the training room, I had an IL-2(t) with every single module critted, except the gunner. (That's a really tough plane, LOL). Both wings, the tail, the pilot and the engine. But not the gunner. The pattern of crits happened over and over again.
Method of test: In Scorching Sands, select the map with the mid mining plant and two airfields. Since bot GAA priority is the plant, they will all go there. Use IL-1 as test aircraft - cannon-armed, fast enough, durable. (Next test, use Tempest or IL-10M). Approach GAA from 12, Immelmann and roll to attack from 6 o'clock and 20-30 degrees above. Sniper view to focus shots into gunner hit box area. Break off at 100m for next pass. Repeat approach at 3 and 9 o'clock, focus shots at gunner hit box, and no where else. Get frustrated at lack of results, and go for wings, tail, engine, pilot. Universal ammo used for every test (next test, use gold ammo.)
Repeat test on same map for Me-265.
This testing is not about the best approach to shooting down GAA - I have successfully shot down human-powered IL-40Ps with my Gobling. It is about selecting which hitbox to focus on for critical hits. Like if I'm fighting a human in an IL-10M - getting a tail or wing crit REALLY helps, because those aircraft can turn on a HF. Since you can't often shoot down a GAA in a single pass, where should your rounds go first? (Especially if I am in a LF, like at high tier, and am defending an asset from ground attack.)
One final note: After monkeying around for a while with GAA, I decided to do a another test. Me, in my Me-210 (20mm cannon) against a Pe-2, and a B-17D. I don't know where those gunner hitboxes are, either. But after firing at every gunner station, neither of those aircraft ever stopped giving defensive fire. But not knowing where to shoot those aircraft make that test moot. I have to know where the gunner hitbox is to focus on it for a test.
P.S. It would be great if I could get a guinea pig to volunteer to spend some silver in a training room with me so I can verify if this is a bot thing, or a display thing, or both. Silver, because if you go for a flight in a training room, and I damage you, then you have to pay. (blindfold, yet another gripe. Here we are, spending in-game coin, on rooting out bugs. Time and money - can you see why we might get a little frustrated? I am planning on spending GOLD ammo on testing this, never mind the fact that I got it from completing some mission or other and it's been sitting in my depot. I could have bought it for real money, and I certainly could sell it for silver, if I wanted.)
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