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FIight #1 Posted 08 May 2019 - 05:05 PM

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Ju288A/C with almost identical configuration should be placed in the same tier, with Ju287 being t8,

EF131 being T9 and EF132 being T10; similarly, Tu-16 should end the Tupolev bomber line.



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What is your justification for the change ?

just curious. I haven to had the pleasure to fly them yet.

Still stuck in the tier4 and 5  German bombers.



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    I actually agree with this idea. It makes sense and tier 10 bomber should not just be slightly better than tier 9 but noticeably better.

 

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Yes. It would help a little - Tu-2 and Tu-10 are basically the same plane, just as Ju-288B and Ju-288C.

It probably should be in suggestions.

 

But tier 10 bombers suggested might be too much, even for tier 10. And that would require a change on all trees by compressing branches in similar manner. For example, making a different heavy for american tree would require compressing P-38 in one plane(F/J). And on German heavies, compressing Bf-110 in one plane (B/E). And probably some other planes. Any suggestions for tier 10s?


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View PostPrenzlau, on 08 May 2019 - 01:22 PM, said:

    I actually agree with this idea. It makes sense and tier 10 bomber should not just be slightly better than tier 9 but noticeably better.

 

Cheers!

 

Prenzlau

 

I agree also Flight has got it right.

Right now a tier 9 heavy will kill a tier 10 bomber in one pass.

What do you think a tier 10 heavy will do to a tier 10 bomber.

There has to be more balance, wait NURF THE HEAVIES.

 



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View Postegikov, on 08 May 2019 - 05:24 PM, said:

Yes. It would help a little - Tu-2 and Tu-10 are basically the same plane, just as Ju-288B and Ju-288C.

It probably should be in suggestions.

 

But tier 10 bombers suggested might be too much, even for tier 10. And that would require a change on all trees by compressing branches in similar manner. For example, making a different heavy for american tree would require compressing P-38 in one plane(F/J). And on German heavies, compressing Bf-110 in one plane (B/E). And probably some other planes. Any suggestions for tier 10s?

 

No. Tier compression is not exactly what you want here.
There is a reason why The Spitfire which was first flown in 1938 was up to the Mark 14 only 6 years later.
And in game is not only relevant but various amounts of OP for 4 tiers.

Tier separation is to keep things balanced. and to keep things within a certain historical relevancy.

Sure you could compress the Me 109 F an G but that leads to 30mm armed Gustavs chasing down Stock P-40's.


Rather than compressing tiers its better to branch out and make separate lines for aircraft that were designed by different manufacturers for different roles. see american tech tree.  two full lines of MultiRole aircraft. One for the Army/AirForce.  One for the Navy.


 

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View PostZigfreid, on 08 May 2019 - 11:44 PM, said:

 NURF THE HEAVIES.

 

 

You shut your mouth.

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View PostZigfreid, on 08 May 2019 - 06:44 PM, said:

 

NURF THE HEAVIES.

 

 

Instead of nerfing Weegee should consider buffing other planes, there are also planes such as FW252 sobbing in the corner.

Increase the airspeed of fighters and recover their firepower, then heavies will be counterbalanced by other planes


Edited by FIight, 10 May 2019 - 09:01 AM.


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View PostFIight, on 10 May 2019 - 09:00 AM, said:

 

Instead of nerfing Weegee should consider buffing other planes, there are also planes such as FW252 sobbing in the corner.

Increase the airspeed of fighters and recover their firepower, then heavies will be counterbalanced by other planes

 

The problem there is then you have to Buff Multiroles speed and firepower as well, and then heavies end up needing a buff...

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View PostWhiteKnight416, on 15 May 2019 - 07:25 PM, said:

 

The problem there is then you have to Buff Multiroles speed and firepower as well, and then heavies end up needing a buff...

 

Not if you do it correctly.. and not -all- planes need a buff, just some and those are (for the most part) the oldest ones in the game (usually) who have suffered the most nerfs overall and are now.. much unloved.This would require WG to actually run a proper analytical process to determine which planes, how, and how much to buff them.. and it would require them to I dunno... re-activate player-testing for people other than native Russian Speakers.... 

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maybe we could shame the heavy fighters...

yep, shame em into giving the poor bombers a sporting chance...

you know,

until they get skilled enough to fly without the self imposed handicap...

the one meant to keep them from leaving the game...

we need as many players as we can get...

no one wants to lose players

maybe we could just give all players a 50% w/r

that might work

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StoptheViolins #13 Posted 16 May 2019 - 02:33 PM

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I concur, we need a bit more of an upgrade between T9 and T10 for bombers.  At T-10 it's still be nice of being able to use the meta of if you can't out gun them, just fly higher than they can.  Granted Russian bombers are treated like something similar to a HF which doesn't really work in the current game meta.




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