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wylleEcoyote #21 Posted 04 May 2019 - 04:01 AM

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 I too am a Potato. I have been Boiled Mashed and Stuck into Stews time and again.
But every dog has his day.

Eventually you will be in a plane that you enjoy flying and that you are GOOD at and your gonna catch someone in a match up that is favorable to you. And no plane is bullet proof.
 


But thats ok. I have gotten noticeably better over the course of a year.
Low tier bots are a cake walk now. And the mid tier ones are very manageable.

When the saturday community event shows up i still get schooled on a regular basis.
That said i can dish out the pain right back at 'em in the planes i am comfortable in...

 
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Edited by wylleEcoyote, 04 May 2019 - 04:05 AM.

Fair warning. My success rate at speculative guesswork is much like my WinRate. Hit or Miss.
Usually I start on the right track and then a make a weird left turn and get lost in the weeds ... 
And yet it doesn't stop me from speculation.

Specialist Planes I have from : Japan, USA, UK, Germany, USSR, Europe
Light Fighters:   XP-31, Model 81A-1, P-40, P-51A, P-39N-1, XF15C, DH.100 F1, Fw 56, He 112, Bf 109 B / E / E-3 / F, Me 209 v4 / A, Me P.1092, I-17
Multi-Roles: Type 91, F11C-2, F4F, P-26, P-47B, Fw 190 A-1 / A-5 / D, I- 5 / 15 / 16(e)(l)

Heavy Fighters: P-38 F/J,  XP-58, Beaufighter,  Bf 110 C-6, Me 410, Do 335 A-1, Me 262, Tu-1, SE 100,

Attack Aircraft: Hs 123, Ha 137, Hs 129 A, Ju 87 G, Me 265, Me 1099 B-2
Bombers: Do 17 Z, He 111 H2, Pe-2, Do 217 M
 


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View PostCaptain_Rownd, on 03 May 2019 - 06:26 PM, said:

 

Yow!  Sit back.  Have a margarita.  Enjoy the breeze.  Then get in a fun biplane and just work on your controls set up and game fundamentals.  Stop worrying about grinds and upgrades and stuff and just enjoy some flying. 

 

 

Yeah. I think Tier VI MM just kinda sucks when events are around. I think I'll stick to my Tier IVs and Vs for now.

 

I'm not TOO horrible in them, actually. Last night was just not a great night for me, at least until near the end.


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View PostCaptain_Rownd, on 03 May 2019 - 09:26 PM, said:

 

Yow!  Sit back.  Have a margarita.  Enjoy the breeze.  Then get in a fun biplane and just work on your controls set up and game fundamentals.  Stop worrying about grinds and upgrades and stuff and just enjoy some flying. 

 

 

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View PostwylleEcoyote, on 03 May 2019 - 11:01 PM, said:

 I too am a Potato. I have been Boiled Mashed and Stuck into Stews time and again.
But every dog has his day.

Eventually you will be in a plane that you enjoy flying and that you are GOOD at and your gonna catch someone in a match up that is favorable to you. And no plane is bullet proof.
 


But thats ok. I have gotten noticeably better over the course of a year.
Low tier bots are a cake walk now. And the mid tier ones are very manageable.

When the saturday community event shows up i still get schooled on a regular basis.
That said i can dish out the pain right back at 'em in the planes i am comfortable in...

 
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He might be the best bomber pilot but I vote for Closedcoffin..   Prinzfrau will disagree. 
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CorvusCorvax #25 Posted 04 May 2019 - 12:59 PM

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View PostCaptain_Underpants53, on 04 May 2019 - 05:22 AM, said:

 

He might be the best bomber pilot but I vote for Closedcoffin..   Prinzfrau will disagree. 

 

Before the nerf, I always had trouble shooting down Prenz.  No other bomber pilot gave me as much trouble.  After the nerf, bombers are mostly floating bags of XP.

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View PostwylleEcoyote, on 04 May 2019 - 04:01 AM, said:

 

 

Yup.  I have gotten him in the Saturday scrimmage, but only if I wait for him to be engaged before I attack.  In a straight up fight, he wins.

wylleEcoyote #27 Posted 04 May 2019 - 03:37 PM

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View PostCorvusCorvax, on 04 May 2019 - 08:00 AM, said:

 

Yup.  I have gotten him in the Saturday scrimmage, but only if I wait for him to be engaged before I attack.  In a straight up fight, he wins.

 

To quote the Mighty Jingles ~ "Fair fights are for suckers"

Fair warning. My success rate at speculative guesswork is much like my WinRate. Hit or Miss.
Usually I start on the right track and then a make a weird left turn and get lost in the weeds ... 
And yet it doesn't stop me from speculation.

Specialist Planes I have from : Japan, USA, UK, Germany, USSR, Europe
Light Fighters:   XP-31, Model 81A-1, P-40, P-51A, P-39N-1, XF15C, DH.100 F1, Fw 56, He 112, Bf 109 B / E / E-3 / F, Me 209 v4 / A, Me P.1092, I-17
Multi-Roles: Type 91, F11C-2, F4F, P-26, P-47B, Fw 190 A-1 / A-5 / D, I- 5 / 15 / 16(e)(l)

Heavy Fighters: P-38 F/J,  XP-58, Beaufighter,  Bf 110 C-6, Me 410, Do 335 A-1, Me 262, Tu-1, SE 100,

Attack Aircraft: Hs 123, Ha 137, Hs 129 A, Ju 87 G, Me 265, Me 1099 B-2
Bombers: Do 17 Z, He 111 H2, Pe-2, Do 217 M
 


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wylleEcoyote #29 Posted 13 May 2019 - 12:25 PM

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mm, Good choice.
We have similar taste in bombers. Though, we differ about the Ju 88. 
Don't get me wrong, I like the plane and its "Dropping ClusterBombs from LowEarthOrbit means not worrying about a miss" playstyle.. It is everything the Do17z is. Except that it is MOAR. It flys higher. faster. and with more payload.

And i would keep it. buuut As far as token farming goes for mid tier bombers i just like the Do 217M (When the bomb sight is accurate One Fat bomb is all you need) style better. By coincidence it is also the only specialized bomber sooo there is that.
So i keep around the Do17 as a "Downteired" Ju88 that i can enjoy using when low tier token farming.

And after determining that the tier 8 Bomber is just a double uptiered Do217m i am flying that for top tier token farming.
with its payload size and distribution i should be able to reliably kill almost double the "4 targets in each cap zone" per reload that WeeGee expects a bomber to kill. 
The higher tiers are only efficient if its targets are "close" together. 
(although how close do they need to be with 1000 kg bombs? the answer will surprise you)

I am keeping the B-17 G so i can farm turret kills.
Its method of bombing is not really fun, for me.

As for soviet multi-engine dive bombers ... I have unlocked and purchased the teir 3 but havent gotten around to using it yet.
As these things go i may end up with the teir 8 variant from a certificate if i finish it in a timely manner. and i havent even figured if i like the playstyle

Fair warning. My success rate at speculative guesswork is much like my WinRate. Hit or Miss.
Usually I start on the right track and then a make a weird left turn and get lost in the weeds ... 
And yet it doesn't stop me from speculation.

Specialist Planes I have from : Japan, USA, UK, Germany, USSR, Europe
Light Fighters:   XP-31, Model 81A-1, P-40, P-51A, P-39N-1, XF15C, DH.100 F1, Fw 56, He 112, Bf 109 B / E / E-3 / F, Me 209 v4 / A, Me P.1092, I-17
Multi-Roles: Type 91, F11C-2, F4F, P-26, P-47B, Fw 190 A-1 / A-5 / D, I- 5 / 15 / 16(e)(l)

Heavy Fighters: P-38 F/J,  XP-58, Beaufighter,  Bf 110 C-6, Me 410, Do 335 A-1, Me 262, Tu-1, SE 100,

Attack Aircraft: Hs 123, Ha 137, Hs 129 A, Ju 87 G, Me 265, Me 1099 B-2
Bombers: Do 17 Z, He 111 H2, Pe-2, Do 217 M
 


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View PostwylleEcoyote, on 13 May 2019 - 07:25 AM, said:

mm, Good choice.
We have similar taste in bombers. Though, we differ about the Ju 88. 
Don't get me wrong, I like the plane and its "Dropping ClusterBombs from LowEarthOrbit means not worrying about a miss" playstyle.. It is everything the Do17z is. Except that it is MOAR. It flys higher. faster. and with more payload.

And i would keep it. buuut As far as token farming goes for mid tier bombers i just like the Do 217M (When the bomb sight is accurate One Fat bomb is all you need) style better. By coincidence it is also the only specialized bomber sooo there is that.
So i keep around the Do17 as a "Downteired" Ju88 that i can enjoy using when low tier token farming.

And after determining that the tier 8 Bomber is just a double uptiered Do217m i am flying that for top tier token farming.
with its payload size and distribution i should be able to reliably kill almost double the "4 targets in each cap zone" per reload that WeeGee expects a bomber to kill. 
The higher tiers are only efficient if its targets are "close" together. 
(although how close do they need to be with 1000 kg bombs? the answer will surprise you)

I am keeping the B-17 G so i can farm turret kills.
Its method of bombing is not really fun, for me.

As for soviet multi-engine dive bombers ... I have unlocked and purchased the teir 3 but havent gotten around to using it yet.
As these things go i may end up with the teir 8 variant from a certificate if i finish it in a timely manner. and i havent even figured if i like the playstyle

 

Try the Russians low and fast with strengthened hardpoints.  Dump all your bombs, clear from the sector, rinse and repeat.

 

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wylleEcoyote #31 Posted 13 May 2019 - 10:11 PM

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View PostCaptain_Underpants53, on 13 May 2019 - 01:45 PM, said:

 

Try the Russians low and fast with strengthened hardpoints.  Dump all your bombs, clear from the sector, rinse and repeat.

 

:playing:

 

Thank you. i will give it a shot.Though if Fast is that important maybe i should C O N S T R U C T  A D D I T I O N A L  P Y L O N S

Fair warning. My success rate at speculative guesswork is much like my WinRate. Hit or Miss.
Usually I start on the right track and then a make a weird left turn and get lost in the weeds ... 
And yet it doesn't stop me from speculation.

Specialist Planes I have from : Japan, USA, UK, Germany, USSR, Europe
Light Fighters:   XP-31, Model 81A-1, P-40, P-51A, P-39N-1, XF15C, DH.100 F1, Fw 56, He 112, Bf 109 B / E / E-3 / F, Me 209 v4 / A, Me P.1092, I-17
Multi-Roles: Type 91, F11C-2, F4F, P-26, P-47B, Fw 190 A-1 / A-5 / D, I- 5 / 15 / 16(e)(l)

Heavy Fighters: P-38 F/J,  XP-58, Beaufighter,  Bf 110 C-6, Me 410, Do 335 A-1, Me 262, Tu-1, SE 100,

Attack Aircraft: Hs 123, Ha 137, Hs 129 A, Ju 87 G, Me 265, Me 1099 B-2
Bombers: Do 17 Z, He 111 H2, Pe-2, Do 217 M
 


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As of now I have 75 planes in hangar & 7 free slots, I don't fully understand how I got so many slots :unsure:

 

32 of the planes are Premiums + 9 are Tree planes earned in Events -> came with slots.

I think I may have purchased a few slots with Tokens or Gold right when I first started? But don't directly remember doing so.

The rest apparently came from Crates & Missions.

I know for sure that during one of the recent Event mission periods (Tu-1 I think?) I gained 13 slots from Crates (1* 10 slot crate, 3* single).

 

General rule is I only keep planes I enjoy other than Premiums, too many planes just results in a lot of Hangar Queens &/or burnout trying to play them.

I've been thinking about getting rid of some of my largely unplayed Premiums & some of the tree planes from Events that are also going largely unplayed (but kept because of their special Cammo) as I have really too many planes.

 

As mentioned up-thread you need to keep at least 1 plane per Era to help progress the Daily Token missions, preferably a GA/Bomber and Fighter/Multirole/Heavy in each Era.


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View Posthoom, on 17 May 2019 - 05:44 PM, said:

As of now I have 75 planes in hangar & 7 free slots, I don't fully understand how I got so many slots :unsure:

 

32 of the planes are Premiums + 9 are Tree planes earned in Events -> came with slots.

I think I may have purchased a few slots with Tokens or Gold right when I first started? But don't directly remember doing so.

The rest apparently came from Crates & Missions.

I know for sure that during one of the recent Event mission periods (Tu-1 I think?) I gained 13 slots from Crates (1* 10 slot crate, 3* single).

 

General rule is I only keep planes I enjoy other than Premiums, too many planes just results in a lot of Hangar Queens &/or burnout trying to play them.

I've been thinking about getting rid of some of my largely unplayed Premiums & some of the tree planes from Events that are also going largely unplayed (but kept because of their special Cammo) as I have really too many planes.

 

As mentioned up-thread you need to keep at least 1 plane per Era to help progress the Daily Token missions, preferably a GA/Bomber and Fighter/Multirole/Heavy in each Era.

 

I'll give you a 3-word mantra that has been a part of WoT almost since release and WoWS since release. NEVER SELL PREMIUMS!

 

Other than that I agree with what you said, except for the fact that in my case, I still have too FEW planes(only 30, and 1 of those is a premium I never play(Spitfire Mk IA) because I don't own the pilot that makes it tolerable - good)

 

 

If I get another hangar slot in the next crate I get(from mission 5 of Stage 2 of Personal Mission: XP-55 Ascender), then I may keep my much-loved Ju-87G as well. I love the thing, and I play it very well.


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View Posthoom, on 17 May 2019 - 08:44 PM, said:

As of now I have 75 planes in hangar & 7 free slots, I don't fully understand how I got so many slots :unsure:

 

32 of the planes are Premiums + 9 are Tree planes earned in Events -> came with slots.

 

 

:amazed: Why would you have so many premiums and so few tree planes?


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not enough time and too much money, that's my guess
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  Why would you have so many premiums and so few tree planes?

 I agree its a crazy ratio but almost all those Premiums are Free from post 2.0 Bonus Codes/Crates/Events/Missions.

I only directly purchased the AD 10C2, a couple are from purchased Xmas crates (at least one of those crates a gift from a friend) & I did buy 50 Certs towards the Tu-1.

 

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 I'll give you a 3-word mantra that has been a part of WoT almost since release and WoWS since release. NEVER SELL PREMIUMS!

 Dude https://worldoftanks.com/en/community/accounts/1000124515-hoom/

I fully understand the Never Sell Premiums thing.

I actually sold my Beta Sherman way back in the day before I fully understood the value of a Premium & I had only like 5 Garage slots.

 

Ultimately I did manage to sweet-talk Support to let me buy it back when they started allowing that despite it being way past their 'statute of limitations' for time since Sold :)

 

But I have 4* T2s that I only ever play 2 of (Ar67 & Fw56) if I'm trying to finish off a Token mission & want to spread the 2* around, (and that much less often since I've got more T4s) the other 2 (Hawk II & III) are bad among T2s.

There is literally no point in keeping them really, don't even have cammo & the German ones apparently don't even get a Credit bonus.

 

Likewise in T3 YP-29 is awful & Type 224 is meh, I get all the T3 I need out of I-15bis DM, P.V.3, Blenheim IV (e) & a couple of Tree planes.

Newest Ha 137 is probably going to be fairly useful as a non-bomber low-tier ground pounder.

 

In T4 I haven't really liked XP-36F but recently put maxed-out Improved Equipment on it (pending Specialisation) & its become kinda fun to play, its got the rather redeeming quality of having 2* 23mm cannon in T4 so its safe now.

Other T4 premiums are fine.

 

I've got 15 T5 & 6: the Venom is redundant since Spit Ia does everything better.

Soviet & Chinese P-40s are outshone by Tree P-40.

The others are mostly OK with some being particularly handy for certain niche tasks but I've also got a heap of Tree planes I like to play in those tiers so most of them don't often get an outing.

In writing this I've done something I've been thinking of for a while after seeing some players do well with it: put Improved equipment on Me209 V4 & I can certainly see potential there so it might get used a bit now.

 

For Silver earning its more efficient to spam my T7 Tu-1 & T8 Vampire so that aspect of the lower tier ones became largely redundant.


Edited by hoom, 19 May 2019 - 01:41 AM.

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there's zero shame in owning every premium, and he certainly knows how to fly 'em

 

nothing to see here, move along


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View Posthoom, on 18 May 2019 - 05:32 PM, said:

 I agree its a crazy ratio but almost all those Premiums are Free from post 2.0 Bonus Codes/Crates/Events/Missions.

I only directly purchased the AD 10C2, a couple are from purchased Xmas crates (at least one of those crates a gift from a friend) & I did buy 50 Certs towards the Tu-1.

 

 Dude https://worldoftanks.com/en/community/accounts/1000124515-hoom/

I fully understand the Never Sell Premiums thing.

I actually sold my Beta Sherman way back in the day before I fully understood the value of a Premium & I had only like 5 Garage slots.

 

Ultimately I did manage to sweet-talk Support to let me buy it back when they started allowing that despite it being way past their 'statute of limitations' for time since Sold :)

 

But I have 4* T2s that I only ever play 2 of (Ar67 & Fw56) if I'm trying to finish off a Token mission & want to spread the 2* around, (and that much less often since I've got more T4s) the other 2 (Hawk II & III) are bad among T2s.

There is literally no point in keeping them really, don't even have cammo & the German ones apparently don't even get a Credit bonus.

 

Likewise in T3 YP-29 is awful & Type 224 is meh, I get all the T3 I need out of I-15bis DM, P.V.3, Blenheim IV (e) & a couple of Tree planes.

Newest Ha 137 is probably going to be fairly useful as a non-bomber low-tier ground pounder.

 

In T4 I haven't really liked XP-36F but recently put maxed-out Improved Equipment on it (pending Specialisation) & its become kinda fun to play, its got the rather redeeming quality of having 2* 23mm cannon in T4 so its safe now.

Other T4 premiums are fine.

 

I've got 15 T5 & 6: the Venom is redundant since Spit Ia does everything better.

Soviet & Chinese P-40s are outshone by Tree P-40.

The others are mostly OK with some being particularly handy for certain niche tasks but I've also got a heap of Tree planes I like to play in those tiers so most of them don't often get an outing.

In writing this I've done something I've been thinking of for a while after seeing some players do well with it: put Improved equipment on Me209 V4 & I can certainly see potential there so it might get used a bit now.

 

For Silver earning its more efficient to spam my T7 Tu-1 & T8 Vampire so that aspect of the lower tier ones became largely redundant.

 

Yes, the YP-29 IS awful. I hate it, and almost never play it. I've seen some players who, SOMEHOW, can actually make it work, but I can't any more than you can.

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I went out and looked and I have 196 planes and 66 are premiums.

1 was gifted to me by Sheep from WS Squad (that russian jet the 302). I bought the Tomohawk llB because it had the AVG markings and the correct shark's mouth.

I won the rest and rage sold a few like HE100 (sold it and won it back 3 times) and the XP-58 because I blew chunks in them. It was a mistake. I don't think I will sell any more.

So I was wrong to think that your ratio was weird. :honoring:


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View Posthoom, on 18 May 2019 - 08:32 PM, said:

 I agree its a crazy ratio but almost all those Premiums are Free from post 2.0 Bonus Codes/Crates/Events/Missions.

I only directly purchased the AD 10C2, a couple are from purchased Xmas crates (at least one of those crates a gift from a friend) & I did buy 50 Certs towards the Tu-1.

 

 Dude https://worldoftanks.com/en/community/accounts/1000124515-hoom/

I fully understand the Never Sell Premiums thing.

I actually sold my Beta Sherman way back in the day before I fully understood the value of a Premium & I had only like 5 Garage slots.

 

Ultimately I did manage to sweet-talk Support to let me buy it back when they started allowing that despite it being way past their 'statute of limitations' for time since Sold :)

 

But I have 4* T2s that I only ever play 2 of (Ar67 & Fw56) if I'm trying to finish off a Token mission & want to spread the 2* around, (and that much less often since I've got more T4s) the other 2 (Hawk II & III) are bad among T2s.

There is literally no point in keeping them really, don't even have cammo & the German ones apparently don't even get a Credit bonus.

 

Likewise in T3 YP-29 is awful & Type 224 is meh, I get all the T3 I need out of I-15bis DM, P.V.3, Blenheim IV (e) & a couple of Tree planes.

Newest Ha 137 is probably going to be fairly useful as a non-bomber low-tier ground pounder.

 

In T4 I haven't really liked XP-36F but recently put maxed-out Improved Equipment on it (pending Specialisation) & its become kinda fun to play, its got the rather redeeming quality of having 2* 23mm cannon in T4 so its safe now.

Other T4 premiums are fine.

 

I've got 15 T5 & 6: the Venom is redundant since Spit Ia does everything better.

Soviet & Chinese P-40s are outshone by Tree P-40.

The others are mostly OK with some being particularly handy for certain niche tasks but I've also got a heap of Tree planes I like to play in those tiers so most of them don't often get an outing.

In writing this I've done something I've been thinking of for a while after seeing some players do well with it: put Improved equipment on Me209 V4 & I can certainly see potential there so it might get used a bit now.

 

For Silver earning its more efficient to spam my T7 Tu-1 & T8 Vampire so that aspect of the lower tier ones became largely redundant.

 

I am in agreement about the YP-29 but don't discount the Type 224.  Yes it's slower than a Xmas goose.  Yes it uses BB guns.  Yes it can't get high enough to see over the top of the table.

 

But that roll rate and agility are amazing.  Played with that in mind, it's quite fun.


MSgt, USAF, (ret)




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