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CorvusCorvax #1 Posted 13 March 2019 - 03:20 AM

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I heard a rumor, back when I was working on my T4 stuff.  I heard that the Messerschmitt P.1101 was the fighter to have.  So, with that goal in mind, I fought the BnZ narrative, and forced the Bf-109B to do my will, energy fighter be damned.

 

I'll turn with it if I want,  If I get beat, whatever.

 

But along the way, something happened.

 

Spoiler

 

In my rush to move up the tiers, as soon as I could, I'd sell my previous planes to pursue the next shiny, bright plane.  And over time, I figured out that BnZ suited my playstyle.  At each step, I hesitated more in selling the previous airplane.

 

I repurchaced the 109B.  I repurchased the 109E.  I am seriously considering buying back the F and the G.  Even the 209.  I was in such a hurry to move on - but finally the P1092 taught me that the whole line is simply outstanding, even the much-reviled Friederich. 

 

I am going to keep the P.1092, because of how bloody good it is at just wrecking other airplanes.  Even the mighty Yak-19 has to keep a sharp eye out if this bird is in the air.

 

For anyone considering a light fighter line, I highly recommend the Bf-109 line.  At T4, the 109B rules the skies. At T5, the Emil will straight up wreck almost everything, and do a serious number on those it doesn't blast into dust.  At T8, the line matures into one of the fastest piston light fighters in the game, and is the bane of the Yak-15 when flown well.  At Tier IX, the P.1092 is simply sublime.  I am looking forward to the P.1101, but so far the journey has been outstanding.  I might have to repurchase the Friederich and Gustav, to fill out my collection.

 

See you in the skies...


Edited by CorvusCorvax, 13 March 2019 - 03:51 AM.


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I wish the guns would stop overheating

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View PostHoujuuNue, on 13 March 2019 - 03:57 AM, said:

I wish the guns would stop overheating

 

High alpha, low burst length.  ;)

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View PostCorvusCorvax, on 13 March 2019 - 03:20 AM, said:

I heard a rumor, back when I was working on my T4 stuff.  I heard that the Messerschmitt P.1101 was the fighter to have.  So, with that goal in mind, I fought the BnZ narrative, and forced the Bf-109B to do my will, energy fighter be damned.

 

I'll turn with it if I want,  If I get beat, whatever.

 

But along the way, something happened.

 

Spoiler

 

In my rush to move up the tiers, as soon as I could, I'd sell my previous planes to pursue the next shiny, bright plane.  And over time, I figured out that BnZ suited my playstyle.  At each step, I hesitated more in selling the previous airplane.

 

I repurchaced the 109B.  I repurchased the 109E.  I am seriously considering buying back the F and the G.  Even the 209.  I was in such a hurry to move on - but finally the P1092 taught me that the whole line is simply outstanding, even the much-reviled Friederich. 

 

I am going to keep the P.1092, because of how bloody good it is at just wrecking other airplanes.  Even the mighty Yak-19 has to keep a sharp eye out if this bird is in the air.

 

For anyone considering a light fighter line, I highly recommend the Bf-109 line.  At T4, the 109B rules the skies. At T5, the Emil will straight up wreck almost everything, and do a serious number on those it doesn't blast into dust.  At T8, the line matures into one of the fastest piston light fighters in the game, and is the bane of the Yak-15 when flown well.  At Tier IX, the P.1092 is simply sublime.  I am looking forward to the P.1101, but so far the journey has been outstanding.  I might have to repurchase the Friederich and Gustav, to fill out my collection.

 

See you in the skies...

 

sold like 4 planes back in 2015, haven't sold one since.  We tell everybody that we talk to "Do not sell planes"

 



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View PostHoujuuNue, on 13 March 2019 - 03:57 AM, said:

I wish the guns would stop overheating

 

guns will stop overheating when you let up on the trigger.  But there is another way, do short 500 milsec burst, 20 at a time, can't do that yourself? find a program that will do it for you.  Not a hack or a bot but something that is not banned in the game.  Use your imagination to figure it out.

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View PostCorvusCorvax, on 13 March 2019 - 04:20 AM, said:

Even the 209.  

 

That's where I am now ... looking forward to the 1092.

Also still have all the 109's ; B, E, E-3, F (the only one I actually did sell, but got it back for the Lightning vs Friedrich event) and G. Wish they made one of 'm as a multi-role ...  maybe the K, with a belly rack but without the underwing pods please !?


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Booze_Morgan #7 Posted 13 March 2019 - 03:38 PM

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View PostCorvusCorvax, on 12 March 2019 - 09:20 PM, said:

I heard a rumor, back when I was working on my T4 stuff.  I heard that the Messerschmitt P.1101 was the fighter to have.  So, with that goal in mind, I fought the BnZ narrative, and forced the Bf-109B to do my will, energy fighter be damned.

 

I'll turn with it if I want,  If I get beat, whatever.

 

But along the way, something happened.

 

Spoiler

 

In my rush to move up the tiers, as soon as I could, I'd sell my previous planes to pursue the next shiny, bright plane.  And over time, I figured out that BnZ suited my playstyle.  At each step, I hesitated more in selling the previous airplane.

 

I repurchaced the 109B.  I repurchased the 109E.  I am seriously considering buying back the F and the G.  Even the 209.  I was in such a hurry to move on - but finally the P1092 taught me that the whole line is simply outstanding, even the much-reviled Friederich. 

 

I am going to keep the P.1092, because of how bloody good it is at just wrecking other airplanes.  Even the mighty Yak-19 has to keep a sharp eye out if this bird is in the air.

 

For anyone considering a light fighter line, I highly recommend the Bf-109 line.  At T4, the 109B rules the skies. At T5, the Emil will straight up wreck almost everything, and do a serious number on those it doesn't blast into dust.  At T8, the line matures into one of the fastest piston light fighters in the game, and is the bane of the Yak-15 when flown well.  At Tier IX, the P.1092 is simply sublime.  I am looking forward to the P.1101, but so far the journey has been outstanding.  I might have to repurchase the Friederich and Gustav, to fill out my collection.

 

See you in the skies...

 

Nothing but respect for you concerning this man.  I like the B&Z style also, but I cannot get the 109B to be worth a dern in my hands (it's my hand's fault, not the 109's).  I did great in it pre 2.0, but now it suffers.  Any hints?
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Always Always Always maintain altitude. Start from the top and hurt heavies.
When you can out turn them you get on their 6 and stay there until its done or you pick up a tail.
Skills and Equip for the B/E should be focused on out turning other Bf's, American fighters, and Migs.

Once the 2000meter area is clear only then should you go lower.

Otherwise:
Get in the habit of turning your frame of reference on its side.
Literally. When ever you are inclined toward engaging in a horizontal turn ... 
boost for a few seconds into a vertical loop. dive down
repeat. 

Nothing else in its teir that turns better than you (horizontally) can keep up with you in a climb or dive. 
Most of those planes will really suffer even in horizontal turns if the altutude is greater than 1500m
Boosting and diving in that threshold can draw them up where they loose their advantages .

By the same token being under 1000m gives ALL the advantage to them.
unless you are already moving close to top speed (from a diving attack) and using that velocity escape the furball as you slowly level off.
  Once all the slow turn fighters give up pursuit THEN you begin to climb back up to where the heavies play.

 

Fair warning. My success rate at speculative guesswork is much like my WinRate. Hit or Miss.
Usually I start on the right track and then a make a weird left turn and get lost in the weeds ... 
And yet it doesn't stop me from speculation.

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View PostwylleEcoyote, on 13 March 2019 - 10:39 AM, said:

Always Always Always maintain altitude. Start from the top and hurt heavies.
When you can out turn them you get on their 6 and stay there until its done or you pick up a tail.
Skills and Equip for the B/E should be focused on out turning other Bf's, American fighters, and Migs.

Once the 2000meter area is clear only then should you go lower.

Otherwise:
Get in the habit of turning your frame of reference on its side.
Literally. When ever you are inclined toward engaging in a horizontal turn ... 
boost for a few seconds into a vertical loop. dive down
repeat. 

Nothing else in its teir that turns better than you (horizontally) can keep up with you in a climb or dive. 
Most of those planes will really suffer even in horizontal turns if the altutude is greater than 1500m
Boosting and diving in that threshold can draw them up where they loose their advantages .

By the same token being under 1000m gives ALL the advantage to them.
unless you are already moving close to top speed (from a diving attack) and using that velocity escape the furball as you slowly level off.
  Once all the slow turn fighters give up pursuit THEN you begin to climb back up to where the heavies play.

 

 

This is exactly what I would do pre 2.0. Excellent advice Wylie. I guess I am too tempted to go low now, as sometimes I cannot find much up high to shoot at and find myself just flying around not going low.  I will try harder to stay higher and get better at finding high alt planes to shoot at.

 

Thanks!

 

Booze

 

EDIT: Never mind. Got it now. My hands are now worthy to fly the 109B again.

 

Reedit: So are you using the top guns or the next to the top ones?  Do the next to the best guns overheat as fast, and if not, is it advisable to go with them?


Edited by Booze_Morgan, 13 March 2019 - 05:47 PM.

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Not saying any other mentioned play style is incorrect, however:

I tend to mix in some TnB with mine, but as mentioned, try to keep it vertical. Keep in mind what you can and can not turn on.  Bit more BnZ mid to low altitude is where I like to live, especially when there is nothing up high. 109's are surprisingly maneuverable and faster than most at tree top level. (If in fact you are used to that style and fun of following canyons, flying under bridges, between buildings etc.) IE: Against a spit at low level, where they are better to avoid going "around" a mountain, you go over, either to evade or intercept.

They are quite capable at altitude as well, I just get bored and oxygen deprived so, just not where I tend to live.

 

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View PostSopwith_, on 13 March 2019 - 08:16 PM, said:

 

I tend to mix in some TnB with mine, but as mentioned, try to keep it vertical. Keep in mind what you can and can not turn on.  Bit more BnZ mid to low altitude is where I like to live, especially when there is nothing up high.

Exactly.  For sure you can outmaneuver MRF and HF at pretty much any altitude (not always, pay attention), and are fast enough to catch any MRF and plenty of HF.  You have the legs to get at bombers that aren't flying in the red,  and enough juice to get away from almost anything you can't turn with.  Making sure you keep a full tank of boost is absolutely essential if you want to play down with Spits and Zeros and Yaks.  I do love the vertical BnZ.  Take the turny guys up into their yellow, then turn on them. 

 

Makes them really mad.

 

After a while, it gets to be second nature.



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View PostCorvusCorvax, on 13 March 2019 - 09:55 PM, said:

Exactly.  For sure you can outmaneuver MRF and HF at pretty much any altitude (not always, pay attention), and are fast enough to catch any MRF and plenty of HF.  You have the legs to get at bombers that aren't flying in the red,  and enough juice to get away from almost anything you can't turn with.  Making sure you keep a full tank of boost is absolutely essential if you want to play down with Spits and Zeros and Yaks.  I do love the vertical BnZ.  Take the turny guys up into their yellow, then turn on them. 

 

Makes them really mad.

 

After a while, it gets to be second nature.

 

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it's a magical plane     it just fit me like a glove

 

i was sorta pushed into it by my good friend SFMY... i could only fly turners and heavies

 

in 1.x, Herr Oberst Nu tried to do the same thing and i hard failed, and developed a mental block

 

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View PostCorvusCorvax, on 12 March 2019 - 09:20 PM, said:

I heard a rumor, back when I was working on my T4 stuff.  I heard that the Messerschmitt P.1101 was the fighter to have.  So, with that goal in mind, I fought the BnZ narrative, and forced the Bf-109B to do my will, energy fighter be damned.

 

I'll turn with it if I want,  If I get beat, whatever.

 

But along the way, something happened.

 

Spoiler

 

In my rush to move up the tiers, as soon as I could, I'd sell my previous planes to pursue the next shiny, bright plane.  And over time, I figured out that BnZ suited my playstyle.  At each step, I hesitated more in selling the previous airplane.

 

I repurchaced the 109B.  I repurchased the 109E.  I am seriously considering buying back the F and the G.  Even the 209.  I was in such a hurry to move on - but finally the P1092 taught me that the whole line is simply outstanding, even the much-reviled Friederich. 

 

I am going to keep the P.1092, because of how bloody good it is at just wrecking other airplanes.  Even the mighty Yak-19 has to keep a sharp eye out if this bird is in the air.

 

For anyone considering a light fighter line, I highly recommend the Bf-109 line.  At T4, the 109B rules the skies. At T5, the Emil will straight up wreck almost everything, and do a serious number on those it doesn't blast into dust.  At T8, the line matures into one of the fastest piston light fighters in the game, and is the bane of the Yak-15 when flown well.  At Tier IX, the P.1092 is simply sublime.  I am looking forward to the P.1101, but so far the journey has been outstanding.  I might have to repurchase the Friederich and Gustav, to fill out my collection.

 

See you in the skies...

 

Gone up the line the last two days after having mothballed it at T4 back when I first began playing.

Not a bad little fighter line. I think I still enjoyed the Yak line more, but it's not the steaming pile of rubble I assumed it would be. Quite fun really once I began figuring it out. Won't say I'm good at it or even that it's the best out there, but it's quite capable! (The P.1092)

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These things just come out of nowhere, I die & the game cuts to deathcam and I'm like 'ohh one of those again' :angry:
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View Posthoom, on 17 March 2019 - 06:04 AM, said:

These things just come out of nowhere, I die & the game cuts to deathcam and I'm like 'ohh one of those again' :angry:

 

i saw you on the red team yesterday, for i believe the first time ever     o7!

 

oops, i might have been flying a 109, though 


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View Posthoom, on 17 March 2019 - 11:04 AM, said:

These things just come out of nowhere, I die & the game cuts to deathcam and I'm like 'ohh one of those again' :angry:

My favorite tactic.  Cloaking device, unmask, fill you full of 20mm, disappear again.



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View PostCorvusCorvax, on 18 March 2019 - 04:28 PM, said:

My favorite tactic.  Cloaking device, unmask, fill you full of 20mm, disappear again.

 

all the more so at teir 8+ with the introduction of NavRadio Equipment.
Double the concealment you get from Seasonal Camo and with its bonus skills the same free MM1+2 that you can get with a Gyro Gun Sight.

But only if you are good enough to fly without a gun sight and the 30% dispersion and the bonus fire/crit chance...

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Usually I start on the right track and then a make a weird left turn and get lost in the weeds ... 
And yet it doesn't stop me from speculation.

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View PostwylleEcoyote, on 09 May 2019 - 09:13 PM, said:

 

all the more so at teir 8+ with the introduction of NavRadio Equipment.
Double the concealment you get from Seasonal Camo and with its bonus skills the same free MM1+2 that you can get with a Gyro Gun Sight.

But only if you are good enough to fly without a gun sight and the 30% dispersion and the bonus fire/crit chance...

 

I might just try that on for size.  Already OP at T9, look out for the stealth P.1092.  Already in range before you ever see him, blast yer butt, then he's gone.  "Where'd WHO go?!?"




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