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CD8ED #1 Posted 17 February 2019 - 07:53 AM

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I am new to wowp, I’ve been playing wows for a few weeks and figured I would try it out but I am having some serious issues with the gameplay. My current win percentage is 36% which isn’t fun in the slightest. Most of the battles (against bots no less) are massive defeats. When I do get grouped with players it’s even worse. I am usually 1st - 3rd on my team. Other players seem to have 50%-60% win rates around my tear so it has to be something I am doing wrong.

 

Does this improve?

What am I doing wrong?

 

Enemy planes seem to take large chunks out of my health and I do very little in return.

 

Also I was given an ammo upgrade to universal ammo but cannot find where I can equip it...

 

So far it seems there is a bigger learning curve than wows — perhaps too steep.

 

Any help is appreciated, I hate to delete a game that looks like it would be really fun.



_Batushka_ #2 Posted 17 February 2019 - 09:10 AM

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Have you ever used a training room? Highly recommended in your case, sir!

Captain_Underpants53 #3 Posted 17 February 2019 - 09:14 AM

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If you are coming in at 1-3 consistently you are not doing anything wrong, providing you are fighting for caps and not just headhunting bots in the middle of the ocean.   You can equip special ammo in consumables or in service.

 

Keep reading the forum.  Join a clan.  Ask questions.  It pays off after a bit.

 

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View Post_Batushka_, on 17 February 2019 - 04:10 AM, said:

Have you ever used a training room? Highly recommended in your case, sir!

 

The thing about the training room that I don't like is it costs without any compensation.  Might be a big problem for a new player.
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View PostCaptain_Underpants53, on 17 February 2019 - 09:17 AM, said:

 

The thing about the training room that I don't like is it costs without any compensation.  Might be a big problem for a new player.

 

Is there any? I didn't know. I haven't used one :)

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View PostCD8ED, on 17 February 2019 - 07:53 AM, said:

Other players seem to have 50%-60% win rates around my tear so it has to be something I am doing wrong.

 

Does this improve?

What am I doing wrong?

 

My win rate is well below 50% and I've been flying for over a year.  To increase win rate keep trying to figure out how you can contribute to winning and holding caps.  Don't stress - most of the team is bots.  Focus on being satisfied with your performance within the battle.

 


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_Batushka_ #7 Posted 17 February 2019 - 11:24 AM

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I would say focus mostly on your plane's designated task. So if you're in a fighter, you don't want to farm power plants. And yes, this is common view. Fighter gets kills, heavy gets sectors etc. Good luck! Everyone was in your shoes. 


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Martymart1976 #8 Posted 17 February 2019 - 01:18 PM

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If you are a new player, their is no shame in playing tier 1 and 2 until you get it..understand your planes role, learn what your plane can and can't do.Look to flight up with another experienced player. I know a lot of us old timers would be willing to show you the ropes. Fight to win, not just shoot down planes. Learn how you can make positive contributions to the team. Capturing high value targets like mining plants, missile bases, command centers, airfields. Knowing when to transition from attack to defense. Learn some basic combat maneuvers like the Immelmann and Split S.  Upgrade your pilot and plane to maximize your effectiveness in combat.  Stay away from some of the higher tiers until you can consistently win at lower tiers. Joining a clan will help you out to, flying with experienced pilots is always a help. Good luck, if you see me in game, send me a flight request and i will fly with you a bit! 

 

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trikke #9 Posted 17 February 2019 - 03:53 PM

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View PostCD8ED, on 17 February 2019 - 02:53 AM, said:

Also I was given an ammo upgrade to universal ammo but cannot find where I can equip it...

 

remember to outfit all of your planes with at least universal ammo, it hits harder...  just choose it in the consumables section

 

everyone of us has been where you are right now... keep asking questions, we'll help     we want you to succeed and progress 

 

and please do not obsess over win rates...   there really should be a 'fun meter' instead

 

unless you're a great good pilot, wins are usually out of a new pilot's hands

 

there's so much more for you to learn and absorb about the flow of the battle 

 

turny planes boost points for a young pilot, but fast boom and zoom playstyle planes steal caps away from them

 

try all the modes... bombers, ground attack, heavies, light fighters       multi roles seem a bit little-of-this-little-of-that for me, but others do really well in them

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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CD8ED #10 Posted 17 February 2019 - 09:34 PM

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View Posttrikke, on 17 February 2019 - 03:53 PM, said:

 

remember to outfit all of your planes with at least universal ammo, it hits harder...  just choose it in the consumables section

 

everyone of us has been where you are right now... keep asking questions, we'll help     we want you to succeed and progress 

 

and please do not obsess over win rates...   there really should be a 'fun meter' instead

 

unless you're a great good pilot, wins are usually out of a new pilot's hands

 

there's so much more for you to learn and absorb about the flow of the battle 

 

turny planes boost points for a young pilot, but fast boom and zoom playstyle planes steal caps away from them

 

try all the modes... bombers, ground attack, heavies, light fighters       multi roles seem a bit little-of-this-little-of-that for me, but others do really well in them

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I’ve tried staying with a cap point and just defending after taking it over which has helped tremendously!

 

As for the universal ammo I am not seeing where to equip it, looking for consumables — which I assume is under the service tab? — I only have one area open under consumables which is under cockpit (first aid dressing and fire extinguisher). There is another under airframe but it is locked until I reach specialist.

 

I tried looking at videos to show how to equip ammo but they look different than my screen, I’m guessing it’s because of the 2.0 update I keep reading about. Is ammo selection available on tier 1 planes?

 

 

 

 

thanks everyone for the help :)



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the service tab opens up the equipment on the top line, and consumables below 

 

the ammo loadout choices is the icon on the right hand side of the consumables line


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CD8ED #12 Posted 17 February 2019 - 10:09 PM

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View Posttrikke, on 17 February 2019 - 09:54 PM, said:

the service tab opens up the equipment on the top line, and consumables below 

 

the ammo loadout choices is the icon on the right hand side of the consumables line

 

Is that missing from tier 1? Maybe I am missing it, this is my service screen:

 

 



CD8ED #13 Posted 18 February 2019 - 01:26 AM

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Just got a tier 3 plane and apparently changing ammo isn’t an option for tier 1 and 2...

 

good to know

 

thanks everyone :)



Booze_Morgan #14 Posted 18 February 2019 - 02:25 AM

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The tier 1 USSR I-5 is GREAT against bots and human noobs. Learn to cap cap cap, and kill, kill, kill.
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After to you play a bit you realize what caps are important and if there are fewer human players you should try and defend them.  The Bots will throw themselves at you.  You will get lots of kills and exp for doing this.  

 

One of my fav non premium planes is the Jap A6M1 it a tier 4 and I kept mine because its still really fun to play.  The Spitfires are all great as well.  I like planes with cannons though.


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Zaikadi #16 Posted 18 February 2019 - 09:17 AM

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CD8ED,

I started playing last August, and my win rate was about like yours. I went up to the I-17 at Tier IV and had many battles in which I shot down between 8 and 14 planes. That would have been a big help in WoT and WoWs, but it did little for my WR in WoWp. With experience and research, I have since dragged my win rate up from the 30%s to 47%. (By the way, your win rate is listed as 45%) So, here is my novice advice.

  1. Listen to trikke...well, read trikke.
  2. Go up to Tier IV, the first tier that I think begins to play like the higher tiers. There are a number of good planes there. For turn & burns, I recommend the I-17 or A6M1. For boom & zoom, the Bf 109 B. The Bf 110 B is a good heavy fighter. I bought the premium Blenheim bomber to learn how to bomb.
  3. To contribute for the win, focus on shooting down the planes that primarily capture sectors (bases), such as bombers and ground attack planes.
  4. Shooting down the white or red defense planes actually does more to turn sectors blue than shooting down enemy fighters.
  5. If you want to rate yourself, pay attention to the Personal Points, rather than win rate.
  6. Play in a Flight. I have never been in one (nobody likes me), which has been a big handicap. I think the biggest factor in success in this game is working in tandem with another player. It has been a major handicap for me to not be in any. You are then pretty much at the mercy of the bots.
  7. In battle, watch where the other humans go and stick with them. They might not make the best choices, but will likely work with you better than bots will. You can distinguish them by their names. Bots have single names that match the language of the country of the plane (such as Pavel, Werner, and Yoshimura). Actual humans have meaningless gibberish, such as 84_tankerz_rule, Pumpkin!Toes, and Zaikadi.
  8. Try bombers and ground attack planes if you haven't already. They can influence a win more than fighters, and they add variety to the game.

 

I also get frustrated sometimes. I even have my own forum thread about it. But, I've stuck with it, and I've had a lot of fun.


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View PostCD8ED, on 17 February 2019 - 02:53 AM, said:

I am new to wowp, I’ve been playing wows for a few weeks and figured I would try it out but I am having some serious issues with the gameplay. My current win percentage is 36% which isn’t fun in the slightest. Most of the battles (against bots no less) are massive defeats. When I do get grouped with players it’s even worse. I am usually 1st - 3rd on my team. Other players seem to have 50%-60% win rates around my tear so it has to be something I am doing wrong.

 

Does this improve?

What am I doing wrong?

 

Enemy planes seem to take large chunks out of my health and I do very little in return.

 

Also I was given an ammo upgrade to universal ammo but cannot find where I can equip it...

 

So far it seems there is a bigger learning curve than wows — perhaps too steep.

 

Any help is appreciated, I hate to delete a game that looks like it would be really fun.

 

The clan is a great place to seek a flight.  Find someone with about the same play times and the more flights you do together, the better your coordination in a battle will be.  Just ask on the hangar chat if anybody wants to flight.  Note that you should give it a minimum of at least five minutes (I recommend ten or more) for folks to come out of battle and see the question.  Or you could PM someone.  I am on at all hours of the day and night and am just about always available.
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View PostCD8ED, on 16 February 2019 - 11:53 PM, said:

I am new to wowp, I’ve been playing wows for a few weeks and figured I would try it out but I am having some serious issues with the gameplay. My current win percentage is 36% which isn’t fun in the slightest. Most of the battles (against bots no less) are massive defeats. When I do get grouped with players it’s even worse. I am usually 1st - 3rd on my team. Other players seem to have 50%-60% win rates around my tear so it has to be something I am doing wrong.

 

Does this improve?

What am I doing wrong?

 

Enemy planes seem to take large chunks out of my health and I do very little in return.

 

Also I was given an ammo upgrade to universal ammo but cannot find where I can equip it...

 

So far it seems there is a bigger learning curve than wows — perhaps too steep.

 

Any help is appreciated, I hate to delete a game that looks like it would be really fun.

 

Ok, lets see if I can help. 

 

I am a WOWS main myself with about 10x the battles there than I have here.  However since the more recent update to ver 2.0 I've been spending a decent amount of time here.  I'm also a player who is flying most of their missions between Tier I and Tier IV so you and I should be flying in a similar environment against similar opponents so hopefully my advice will be helpful. 

 

First off, being grouped within the top three when flying mostly against bots is right where you should be on your team.  In addition I understand an "average" player will have a win rate around 45% so if you're just starting out, hitting that mark first should be your goal, 50% is great if you can reach it, but if your starting out as an average player, right around 45% is where you should expect to be.  

 

All that being said, you should probably first start out by managing your expectations as to where you should be and start working from there. 

 

Second, ending up in the top three of your team doesn't mean that you are doing the things necessary to win in this game as a team.  Here, your experience in WOWS can be helpful. 

 

In WOWS, winning as a team most often depends on how many of the objectives does your team possess and how long do you possess them.Capturing and holding these objectives and getting the points they generate is quite often the deciding factor in the game.  

 

In WOWPS the exact same thing is true, just multiplied by a considerable factor in most cases as follows. 

 

1) Unlike WOWS, the capture of objectives provides your team with different benefits.  In WOWS, all objectives are largely of equal value, in WOWPS this is not the case, different objectives provide different benefits so choosing which one's to fight for is a key element in this game. 

 

2) In the lower tiers, you will be fighting a number of bots.  As you may have noticed, the human players are quite a bit better than the bots overall so if you are in a game with 14 planes per side and you are the only human (and the same is true for the red team) your performance and those of the other players will have a far more significant impact on the results of the game than would be the case in WOWS.  

 

Essentially, if you play badly in a WOWS battle, there's at least a reasonable chance the other human players on your side can pick up the slack.  In WOWPS, if you are playing badly, you're depending on the friendly bots to swing the game your way and if the opposing human players on the red team are still alive and fighting, that is rarely going to happen. 

 

As such, the decisions you make have a disproportionate impact on the results of the battle. 

 

If you are ending up in the top three of your team but are still consistently losing, it's this decision making element combined with your relative skill vs the other human players present, that is likely resulting in your win loss rate.  

 

The easiest thing to try and fix is potentially the decision making process you use in selecting the areas you are going to target for capture or dedicate yourself to defense.  If you can make good decisions here, then you should see your win loss rate rise. 

 

Just like in WOWS for things like ammo selection, there are some rules of thumb that might generally help with your target selection that you can apply to help out with this selection process. 

 

1) Command Post:  Possibly the most valuable of the objectives out there.  Once captured, the Command Post generates normal points at a rate typical for Garrisons, Military Bases and Airfields and will summon attack flights of bombers to attack enemy bases throughout the map. 

 

2) Military Bases: It generates the same point totals as the Garrison, Command Post or Airfield but once captured, will start launching rockets at adjacent enemy bases which cause damage to them and make them easier for your team to take them.  This isn't quite as valuable as the Command Post due to the more limited range of it's missiles but is still a powerful objective to have under your control. 

 

3) Mining facilities:  How important you view these has a lot to do with the type of plane you are flying.  A mine will produce a good deal more points for your team than any of the other objectives, however it has no defensive airplanes so the only way to turn the base to your side is to attack the base itself rather than it's aircover.   This is meat and potatoes for a bomber or a ground attack aircraft or even a heavy or multi-role fighter.  These planes have the ordnance needed to attack the hardened facilities of the Mine.  However if you are flying a pure fighter or a plane that you don't want to take low into combat, you're usefulness at the mine, especially initially, may be marginal so attacking objectives with defense aircraft should be your preference especially in the initial stages of the game. 

 

4) Garrisons: Garrisons generate as many points for their control as any other objective, with the exception of the Mine but provide no other benefits.  They do not, however, have heavy defenses which make them the easiest objectives to capture. If you need a base to capture and you need to do it quickly, Garrisons should be your targets.  

 

5) Airfields:  The most alluring objectives to fight for and also the least valuable. Airfields provide the same point totals as a Garrison, Military Base, or a Command Center but the combination of their air and ground defenses make them difficult to capture and the benefits they provide often are not enough to balance out the waste of materials and resources necessary to capture and hold them. There are times where I've seen losing teams throw everything they have at a central base and just get their forces gobbled up in a never ending dogfight while the red teams have captured every other objective and are just watching the points roll in. 

 

6)  No objective at all:  You can fly around in the space between objectives and shoot at planes but the points you get for this are far smaller than the benefits gained by capturing and holding an objective.  If you kill enemy planes within the objective, you'll strengthen your grip on it, or weaken the red teams grip so, if you're going to fight, try to do it within the boundaries of an objective as much as possible, otherwise the result of your fight isn't going to help your team as much as it should. 

 

These are just generalizations but I've seen them work out pretty well and as always, there are exceptions.  Still, if you're just starting out, this isn't a bad way to begin. 

 

Combat Skills: 

 

When you are first starting out, you need to begin mastering the basic combat skills you'll need to be effective.  Things like ... 

 

1) Lead your target:  Like in WOWS, you don't want to shoot at a target where it is but where it will be when your bullets arrive. You'll be able to hear and see when you are hitting the target which will tell you that you're leading them appropriately. 

2) Fire when you target is in range:  When a target comes in range of your guns, it's information will change color and gain a red outline.  This is telling you the weapons you have mounted can strike the target.  If you don't see this, your chances or hitting anything are marginal.

3) Never ignore the "Enemy on your Tail" warning. It doesn't take a lot of time for a red plane to chew you up.  There are more advanced ways of doing this but the basic action is to immediately put your plane in a hard turn while hitting the boost key (W) and try to bring the attacking plane under your guns.  Normally this will do a couple of things. 

    a) You will usually be able to at least momentarily turn out of the path of red bullets which is a good thing. 

    b) You'll probably be able to see who is attacking you. 

    c) Your return fire (especially if it's against a bot) will often cause the attacking plane to veer off, in which case continue your turn until you reacquire them and start chewing them up for a change. 

    d) Don't ignore the plane that attacked you after it veers off.  Chances are the veer off will just be a temporary maneuver and the red plane will loop around and come back on you in a moment.  If you can get the plane under your guns, you're chances of surviving improve significantly. 

 

This is just pretty basic stuff but if you're just starting out, it may be helpful. 

 

As for your ammunition, all ammunition and additional equipment are handled under the "Service" tab on the main menu.    Just click on the work "Service" to the right of the word "Home" and you'll have access to consumables like the Universal Ammunition or other upgrades and modifications you can add to your plane. If you ever get nose art or cammo schemes, you can access these from the "Paint Shop" menu item to the right of the word "Upgrades".  If you want to explore other historical upgrades for the plane then click on the "Upgrades" selection.   

 

I believe you are correct in saying that the menus and screens as well as how you access different features of the game is more confusing than is the case with WOWS and its not nearly as intuitive. It is manageable if you spend a little more time figuring things out. 

 

Another thing which the system doesn't do is give you a choice to directly access the Wiki for WOWPs.  It's not as complete or expansive as the Wiki for WOTS or WOWS but you can find it at http://wiki.wargaming.net/en/World_of_Warplanes . It can probably answer a lot of your questions as you keep going. 

 

Hope all of this is helpful. 

 

 

 


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View PostCaptain_Underpants53, on 18 February 2019 - 07:10 AM, said:

 

The clan is a great place to seek a flight.  Find someone with about the same play times and the more flights you do together, the better your coordination in a battle will be.  Just ask on the hangar chat if anybody wants to flight.  Note that you should give it a minimum of at least five minutes (I recommend ten or more) for folks to come out of battle and see the question.  Or you could PM someone.  I am on at all hours of the day and night and am just about always available.

 

^This!!  +1

"Don't mess with me because I can squish you like a bug, that is If I should decide to notice your existence in the first place".  

 

Yes, it's haughty and its arrogant but you're a battleship with 16 inch guns and Britannia Rules the Waves.  Maybe a bit of arrogance in this case is appropriate.  


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there's a mod that i can suggest for you, to help you decide who are more dangerous red pilots   (or you know what i mean, just so tired i can't word it correctly tonight)

 

humans are always more dangerous than bots until you reach T6 or T7, unless those humans are making mistakes 

 

give it a try...  i need it, but great pilots do not

 

 


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