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Eugenio_Regis #1 Posted 15 February 2019 - 04:15 PM

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Hello pilots, a few days ago I decided to start developing the branch of the German GA and I was extremely disappointed when I met the ju-87 Stuka without bombs (seriously, even a few tears ran down my face; xD), my question is whether they will put it in some moment and in addition something else, maybe you could add the sound of your alarms, I do not know, maybe when we use the air brakes ...
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Hola pilotos, hace unos días decidí comenzar a desarrollar la rama de los GA alemanes y me desolusioné extremadamente al encontrarme con el ju-87 Stuka sin bombas (en serio, hasta unas lagrimas recorrieron mi cara), mi consulta es si lo pondrán en algún momento y además otra cosa, quizás se pudiera sumar el sonido de sus alarmas, no se, quizás cuando utilizamos los frenos de aire...
Disculpen por postear acá pero en sugerencias no puedo.
Saludos a todos!


Edited by Eugenio_Regis, 15 February 2019 - 04:18 PM.


LMG #2 Posted 15 February 2019 - 04:51 PM

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If you just got it, the Stuka is indeed quite miserable when stock, with only 20mm cannons to do the work. However, with the 37mm cannons, and in particular when fully upgraded, it's not quite as bad as I originally thought. The 37mm cannons can kill armored buildings in 3 shots in tier 4-5 battles, and in 4 shots in tier 5-6 battles, making it pretty darn strong as top tier and remain okay when downtiered. When specialized you even get access to airframe equipment, letting you get an extra boost of maneuverability when needed :amazed:

 

Here's a video I made on the thing:

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LeastWeasel #3 Posted 15 February 2019 - 05:00 PM

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Hey Eugenio, I’ve felt your pain. We all have. Two answers, here:

One: don’t hold your breath. The community’s desire for a screaming, bombing Stuka is well-documented... but the powers that be haven’t moved on it yet. It’s one of those iconic things that have been demanded since the inception of the game :p Why they haven’t moved on it yet? Who knows.

Two: Welcome to the least-fun part of the german GA grind. There is light at the end of the tunnel, though - the Me-265, when you get to it, is insanely fun and surprisingly versatile. Some suggestions for where you are, though:

-Avoid low angles. The Stuka needs a good field of fire to really use the range on its guns. Get off the deck.

-Flaps & kill throttle when you’ve got a good firing solution

- Snipe nearest AA & completely clear all light (circle) targets. Mixed-composition targets and armored targets should, with exception, come last. Prioritize whole sites that you can clear the fastest. Once you upgrade the guns, your target options really open up.

- when your guns overheat, regain a little alt & reset your position. Players are a problem, but you can fire in from the edge of cap & then “lose” defence fighters by dipping out of the cap circle.

- Go with friends. The heavier the site (Factories) the less effcient you are at clearing it. Munching on empty garrisons is your bead & butter. Early in the grind, you are more of a force multiplier, not a stealthy solo capper. Clean up after friendly GA, or support assaults on enemy caps - you can surgically remove AA guns better & from a greater distance than any other plane at your tier. Weirdly, you’re one of the better GA’s to take to any of the airfields. Aaaand....

-Hammer the F7 key when you come under fire. Your turret and armor can prolong your life a little, but tag-and-drag is not really an option for you. Call in bots & allies for help - anyone focusing on a GA tends to have given up most of their energy at this tier, and are easy targets.

 

 

Ahh, LMG’s video has it all :p

 


Edited by LeastWeasel, 15 February 2019 - 05:08 PM.


wylleEcoyote #4 Posted 15 February 2019 - 05:16 PM

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if you want sweet gull wing dive bombing action look no further than the HA 137 at tier 3. 
(its on sale at the moment due to march of nations and dirt cheap because of tier)
It a premium so those extra credits and training for your GAA pilots will come in handy.

You are right. It is Not a Stuka. But if you squint a bit and use you imagination ... it may be close enough.
In any event it is as close as you will get until WG gets around to releasing alternate specializations.
Which is low on the list of things that need doing TBH.


Also its playstyle of 
see that B**ch with those bombs?
Give that B**ch some Cannons.
B**ches Luv Cannons.

Is very prevalent throughout the line.
The main difference between this in tier 3 and teirs 7+ is that they get better speed proportional to its tier. 

And that is its one noticable drawback. its a bit slow in tier three. This can be painful on its larger maps.
But it is tough. Manuverable enough to participate in air-to-air.
And it has Bombs! for finishing off what ever you dont kill in a gun pass.

Fair warning. My success rate at speculative guesswork is much like my WinRate. Hit or Miss.
Usually I start on the right track and then a make a weird left turn and get lost in the weeds ... 
And yet it doesn't stop me from speculation.

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Attack Aircraft: Hs 123, Ha 137, Hs 129 A, Ju 87 G, Me 265, Me 1099 B-2
Bombers: Do 17 Z, He 111 H2, Pe-2, Do 217 M
 


wylleEcoyote #5 Posted 15 February 2019 - 05:25 PM

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I have had some success with flying low and slow in a Stuka.
like 15m off the deck at just above stall speeds that are reminiscent of a Cessna.

Be careful about rolling at that altitude, obviously.
Instead Find a set of key binds for your Rudder (Yaw Left and Right in the settings) and you can make flat turns with a radius of less than 100m.
This WILL cause enemies to over shoot you.


When you have the 20mm cannons you can shoot back at them effectively.

It is much more difficult (and much more satisfying as a result) to do it with the 37mm cannons.
But the 37's also laugh at 'armored' targets. so its a trade off.


Edited by wylleEcoyote, 15 February 2019 - 05:39 PM.

Fair warning. My success rate at speculative guesswork is much like my WinRate. Hit or Miss.
Usually I start on the right track and then a make a weird left turn and get lost in the weeds ... 
And yet it doesn't stop me from speculation.

Specialist Planes I have from : Japan, USA, UK, Germany, USSR, Europe
Light Fighters:   XP-31, Model 81A-1, P-40, P-51A, P-39N-1, XF15C, DH.100 F1, Fw 56, He 112, Bf 109 B / E / E-3 / F, Me209v4, Me209 A, I-17
Multi-Roles: Type 91, F11C-2, F4F, P-47B, Fw 190 A-1 / A-5 / D, I- 5 / 15 / 16(e)(l)

Heavy Fighters: P-38 F/J,  XP-58, Beaufighter,  Bf 110 C-6, Me 410, Do 335 A-1, Me 262, Tu-1, SE 100,

Attack Aircraft: Hs 123, Ha 137, Hs 129 A, Ju 87 G, Me 265, Me 1099 B-2
Bombers: Do 17 Z, He 111 H2, Pe-2, Do 217 M
 


Eugenio_Regis #6 Posted 15 February 2019 - 06:06 PM

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Thanks for your answers and the tips! And yes I already have it elite of course! with the 37mm guns. It's incredible but I have a taste of phosphorus in my mouth when I do not hear that beautiful sound of the stuka!
definitely his attacks were as violent in the physical as in the psychological and I would have loved to recreate that sound in the game. on the other hand congratulate them for the video, it's great!

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Gracias por sus respuestas y los tips! Y sí ya lo tengo elite por supuesto! con los cañones de 37mm. Es increible pero me queda un gusto de fósforo en la boca cuando no escucho ese sonido hermoso de los stuka! 
definitivamente sus ataques eran tan violentos en lo físico como en lo psicológico y me hubiera encantado recrear ese sonido en el juego. por otra parte felicitarles por el video, es buenisimo!!! 



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View PostEugenio_Regis, on 15 February 2019 - 01:06 PM, said:

Thanks for your answers and the tips! And yes I already have it elite of course! with the 37mm guns. It's incredible but I have a taste of phosphorus in my mouth when I do not hear that beautiful sound of the stuka!
definitely his attacks were as violent in the physical as in the psychological and I would have loved to recreate that sound in the game. on the other hand congratulate them for the video, it's great!

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Gracias por sus respuestas y los tips! Y sí ya lo tengo elite por supuesto! con los cañones de 37mm. Es increible pero me queda un gusto de fósforo en la boca cuando no escucho ese sonido hermoso de los stuka! 
definitivamente sus ataques eran tan violentos en lo físico como en lo psicológico y me hubiera encantado recrear ese sonido en el juego. por otra parte felicitarles por el video, es buenisimo!!! 

 

Keep in mind that while the psychological effects of the jericho siren were quite severe at the start of the war, as people got used to the sound it was more of an early warning for everyone to take cover, which is not quite what you want. It didn't help that the early sirens did not have a way to stop the sound, which basically made the stuka pilots hate the thing. Though in-game it would be nice to have it play on a steep dive if we ever get a divebomber stuka, maybe even give us an option to turn it on or off, but knowing WG if we do get a jericho siren it'll be the early variant that's always on :ohmy:


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View PostwylleEcoyote, on 15 February 2019 - 09:16 AM, said:

Give that B**ch some Cannons.
B**ches Luv Cannons.

 

Team Four Star fan spotted...
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LeastWeasel #9 Posted 15 February 2019 - 06:59 PM

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View PostCenotaph, on 15 February 2019 - 01:49 PM, said:

 

Team Four Star fan spotted...

 

The Stuka, indeed, has all the evasive prowess of a young Gohan. 

 

Dodge! 



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View PostLeastWeasel, on 15 February 2019 - 05:00 PM, said:

Hammer the F7 key when you come under fire.

ROFLMAO, good luck with that:sceptic:. You'd be better off gaining a little altitude quickly and baling out, or trying to make an emergency landing (if the game allowed it):kamikaze:. This crate gives a new meaning to on a wing and a prayer, and RIP to all who sail in them.:honoring::medal: 

 

 



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I have seen countless threads over the last year from players who eagerly got the Stuka and then were sadly (me) dissapointed when they discovered, no bombs, no siren.  You can see the response from WG.   Nada.

 

:(

 

People would buy a dive bombing version (me) with sirens in the Premium Shop.  Inexplicable decisions from this company.

 

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Edited by Captain_Underpants53, 15 February 2019 - 07:20 PM.

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View PostCatch21, on 15 February 2019 - 02:06 PM, said:

ROFLMAO, good luck with that:sceptic:. You'd be better off gaining a little altitude quickly and baling out, or trying to make an emergency landing (if the game allowed it):kamikaze:. This crate gives a new meaning to on a wing and a prayer, and RIP to all who sail in them.:honoring::medal: 

 

The Stuka's still quite nimble for a GAA. While it can't just outturn a spitfire, you can still pull out some tricks on unsuspecting foes, especially if you have the specialist limit breakers (aka, the "better turning" consumable :trollface:). It's also a scary GAA hunter, and it'll even give heavies a run for their money. I once had a Ki-45 try to outturn my Stuka while stepping on the boost, which actually let me not only keep up with him by slowing down, but eventually outturn him :D


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wylleEcoyote #13 Posted 15 February 2019 - 11:08 PM

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View PostCatch21, on 15 February 2019 - 02:06 PM, said:

ROFLMAO, good luck with that:sceptic:. You'd be better off gaining a little altitude quickly and baling out, or trying to make an emergency landing (if the game allowed it):kamikaze:. This crate gives a new meaning to on a wing and a prayer, and RIP to all who sail in them.:honoring::medal: 

 

 

 

I must state for the record.
Though the Stuka has fixed landing gear, they does not work as such.
Rather they only serve as a means to make you collision box bigger. :trollface:
You have no idea how disappointed i was to discover this the hard way.
Perfect 3 point landing on allied controlled airfield = crash...:(

Fair warning. My success rate at speculative guesswork is much like my WinRate. Hit or Miss.
Usually I start on the right track and then a make a weird left turn and get lost in the weeds ... 
And yet it doesn't stop me from speculation.

Specialist Planes I have from : Japan, USA, UK, Germany, USSR, Europe
Light Fighters:   XP-31, Model 81A-1, P-40, P-51A, P-39N-1, XF15C, DH.100 F1, Fw 56, He 112, Bf 109 B / E / E-3 / F, Me209v4, Me209 A, I-17
Multi-Roles: Type 91, F11C-2, F4F, P-47B, Fw 190 A-1 / A-5 / D, I- 5 / 15 / 16(e)(l)

Heavy Fighters: P-38 F/J,  XP-58, Beaufighter,  Bf 110 C-6, Me 410, Do 335 A-1, Me 262, Tu-1, SE 100,

Attack Aircraft: Hs 123, Ha 137, Hs 129 A, Ju 87 G, Me 265, Me 1099 B-2
Bombers: Do 17 Z, He 111 H2, Pe-2, Do 217 M
 


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View PostCaptain_Underpants53, on 15 February 2019 - 02:18 PM, said:

I have seen countless threads over the last year from players who eagerly got the Stuka and then were sadly (me) dissapointed when they discovered, no bombs, no siren.  You can see the response from WG.   Nada.

 

:(

 

People would buy a dive bombing version (me) with sirens in the Premium Shop.  Inexplicable decisions from this company.

 

:facepalm:


I am reminded of a certain Valkyrie from America.

With a skill that replaces falcon strike with the ability to go into a dive and get double damage with bombs & rockets more bombs.

It would be a completely opposite style of play from the Cannon Bird
4x 50kg bombs + 2x 250 kg bombs. And to finish it off; some next to useless 2x 7.62 LMGs forward facing and 2 in the back turret. :great:

instead of a plane that flies low and slow and kills unarmored targets easily from a kilometer away ...

Its a plane that is faster than the Cannon Bird
But must fly high enough to be easy food for light fighters and AAA to get the most out of its bomb load..

But if it does get the most...
That ordinance payload is comparable to  russian dive bombers only with half the plane.

Twice the manuverability and a smaller target by half.   at a cost of altitude, speed, and gun power.


Fair warning. My success rate at speculative guesswork is much like my WinRate. Hit or Miss.
Usually I start on the right track and then a make a weird left turn and get lost in the weeds ... 
And yet it doesn't stop me from speculation.

Specialist Planes I have from : Japan, USA, UK, Germany, USSR, Europe
Light Fighters:   XP-31, Model 81A-1, P-40, P-51A, P-39N-1, XF15C, DH.100 F1, Fw 56, He 112, Bf 109 B / E / E-3 / F, Me209v4, Me209 A, I-17
Multi-Roles: Type 91, F11C-2, F4F, P-47B, Fw 190 A-1 / A-5 / D, I- 5 / 15 / 16(e)(l)

Heavy Fighters: P-38 F/J,  XP-58, Beaufighter,  Bf 110 C-6, Me 410, Do 335 A-1, Me 262, Tu-1, SE 100,

Attack Aircraft: Hs 123, Ha 137, Hs 129 A, Ju 87 G, Me 265, Me 1099 B-2
Bombers: Do 17 Z, He 111 H2, Pe-2, Do 217 M
 


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here is the sound of the ju 87 

but yes the wheel can make  your hit the ground or poles  a lot easier

just have to get use to keep  an eye on how high or wide you turn around ground objects

 

 



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WG has confirmed that they will attempt to release the promised entire sub-line of Stuka DBs armed with bombs this year. My guess is it will come some time after the high-tiers of German Bombers come, but that's just a guess.

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Personally, I really like the Stuka that is in-game currently.  I am worried that any bomb-carrying Stukas would have lame cannons or just machine guns.  If I recall correctly, real WWII Stuka dive bombers did not carry a very heavy bomb load.

 

The current Stuka is a specialized version intended as a tank killer.  

 

Interesting note is that Wikipedia says the 87G was the inspiration for the A-10 according to Wikipedia:    The G-1 later influenced the design of the Fairchild Republic A-10 Thunderbolt II, with Hans Rudel's book, Stuka Pilot being required reading for all members of the A-X project.[70]

 

Which makes sense given that the A-10 was completely designed around it's massive Gatling Gun.  


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View Postlegoboy0401, on 15 February 2019 - 07:35 PM, said:

WG has confirmed that they will attempt to release the promised entire sub-line of Stuka DBs armed with bombs this year. My guess is it will come some time after the high-tiers of German Bombers come, but that's just a guess.

 

Since no one said anything about it being a GAA, I guess WG will make divebombers be classified as bombers :(


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View PostLMG, on 15 February 2019 - 08:58 PM, said:

 

Since no one said anything about it being a GAA, I guess WG will make divebombers be classified as bombers :(

 

View PostBobby_Tables, on 15 February 2019 - 05:03 PM, said:

Personally, I really like the Stuka that is in-game currently.  I am worried that any bomb-carrying Stukas would have lame cannons or just machine guns.  If I recall correctly, real WWII Stuka dive bombers did not carry a very heavy bomb load.

 

The current Stuka is a specialized version intended as a tank killer.  

 

Interesting note is that Wikipedia says the 87G was the inspiration for the A-10 according to Wikipedia:    The G-1 later influenced the design of the Fairchild Republic A-10 Thunderbolt II, with Hans Rudel's book, Stuka Pilot being required reading for all members of the A-X project.[70]

 

Which makes sense given that the A-10 was completely designed around it's massive Gatling Gun.  

 

Yes, I think they will be bombers and they will be trash. You thought the Ju-87G was bad, wait until you see these pieces of garbage with only 2 7.92 mm machine guns, 1 7.92 mm machine gun in the back(just like the G) and 1 (500 pound maybe?) bomb with at least probably about a 30 second reload, because with a faster reload WG would think "they would be too effective" I think.

 

What a load of old, useless rubbish.

 

There's still time for WG to (surprise) make them good, but whether they will or not remains to be seen.

 

I myself am much more interested in the high-tier German Bombers, however. Hence why I am currently grinding through the Dornier Do 217 M at the moment. It's not a bad plane by any stretch of the imagination, however it is not my dream bomber, that's for sure and it isn't the coolest bomber WG could give the German Bomber line by quite a lot, there are many other cooler German Bombers that were made: Ju-188 Avenger, He-177 Greif, Arado Ar 234(that may end up as a top-of-the tech tree DB, though) Fw 200 Condor,( not my pick, but plenty of people around here want a playable Condor in this game) Dornier Do 215, and perhaps, if they were desperate for a giant bomber for the Tier X, they could always use one of the Amerika Bomber projects.


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