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Pe-2s: Do they need buffs?


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Poll: Do the Pe-2s need buffs? (9 members have cast votes)

Do the Pe-2s need buffs?

  1. Yes (5 votes [55.56%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 55.56%

  2. No (4 votes [44.44%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 44.44%

  3. I don't know (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

If you answered "yes" to question 1, what general category of aircraft performance do you think they need buffed the most?

  1. Turret buffs (5 votes [55.56%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 55.56%

  2. Speed buffs (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  3. Agility buffs (1 vote [11.11%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 11.11%

  4. Ordinance buffs (1 vote [11.11%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 11.11%

  5. Altitude buffs (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  6. Forward-Firing Armament buffs (2 votes [22.22%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 22.22%

  7. Survivability buffs (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

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legoboy0401 #1 Posted 12 February 2019 - 01:15 AM

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Well, do they?

Edited by legoboy0401, 12 February 2019 - 01:15 AM.

Remember, remember the 14th of... June, the day of patch 2.05.  Some say it's great end-game content, some say it's horrible, but history will always recall which it actually was.

 

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SpiritFoxMY #2 Posted 12 February 2019 - 01:53 AM

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You can't vote just No. Peshka doesn't need a buff - its a difficult plane to fly but in good hands it's easily the most survivable of all the bombers. 

 

Peshka already had an indirect buff - strap Aerodynamic Pylons to it and you get a 20% increase in speed when fully Calibrated at Ultimate quality. That makes it fly faster in a straight line than a P-38 with external ordnance and only 10kph slower than one without. 


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Captain_Underpants53 #3 Posted 12 February 2019 - 02:08 AM

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I don't care for the blind spots the gunner has to deal with.  I don't care for the slower reload the aerodynamic pylons penalize you with considering the weak bombs.  Maybe that would work out for a dive bombing specialist but that ain't me.
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legoboy0401 #4 Posted 12 February 2019 - 02:09 AM

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View PostSpiritFoxMY, on 11 February 2019 - 05:53 PM, said:

You can't vote just No. Peshka doesn't need a buff - its a difficult plane to fly but in good hands it's easily the most survivable of all the bombers. 

 

Peshka already had an indirect buff - strap Aerodynamic Pylons to it and you get a 20% increase in speed when fully Calibrated at Ultimate quality. That makes it fly faster in a straight line than a P-38 with external ordnance and only 10kph slower than one without. 

 

I'm curious, which one do you think is the more competitive one for it's tier?

 

At Tier V, you have the Ju-88A, the Pe-2, and the B-17D, as introduced in that order.

 

At Tier VI, you have the A-26B Invader, the Do 217 M, the Pe-2 M-82, and the B-17G, as introduced in that order.

 

I would think, with such superb bombers as the A-26B and the B-17G at Tier VI, the M-82 would be at a definite disadvantage, and perhaps tied with or even worse than the Do 217 M, depending on how favorably you look upon the Tier VI German entry.


Remember, remember the 14th of... June, the day of patch 2.05.  Some say it's great end-game content, some say it's horrible, but history will always recall which it actually was.

 

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Ace_BOTlistic_Cosmo #5 Posted 12 February 2019 - 02:10 AM

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View PostSpiritFoxMY, on 11 February 2019 - 08:53 PM, said:

You can't vote just No. Peshka doesn't need a buff - its a difficult plane to fly but in good hands it's easily the most survivable of all the bombers. 

 

Peshka already had an indirect buff - strap Aerodynamic Pylons to it and you get a 20% increase in speed when fully Calibrated at Ultimate quality. That makes it fly faster in a straight line than a P-38 with external ordnance and only 10kph slower than one without. 

agreed spirit...

op needs to stop dwelling on what needs buffs and nerfs

find something else to obsess over...

like girls and cars

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if the pilot's good, see, I mean, if he's really..sharp, he can barrel that baby in so low [he spreads his arms like wings and laughs],

you oughtta see it sometime, it's a sight. A big plane like a '52. VRROOM! There's jet exhaust, fryin' chickens in the barnyard.


SpiritFoxMY #6 Posted 12 February 2019 - 02:19 AM

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I flew the M-82 almost exclusively although admittedly that was before they introduced the 17G. I enjoyed it quite a bit and certainly never had serious issues outrunning headhunting P-38s and dogfighting the occasional 410. It's a good airplane overall but it certainly isn't a very good bomber in a traditional sense - it has more in common with the Do335 than with a B-17G or Do217M

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legoboy0401 #7 Posted 12 February 2019 - 02:25 AM

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View PostAce_BOTlistic_Cosmo, on 11 February 2019 - 06:10 PM, said:

agreed spirit...

op needs to stop dwelling on what needs buffs and nerfs

find something else to obsess over...

like girls and cars

:P

I already have the former(although it's kind of complicated right now and I'm trying to win her heart back after she fell in love with this other guy she knows), and don't drive yet.

 

The specific reason I made this thread, though, is not because I personally think the two Pe-2s should be buffed or not, it's because the perspectives I've heard on these two aircraft vary WILDLY, FROM SAYING THAT THESE TWO AIRCRAFT ARE QUITE GOOD, TO SAYING THAT THEY ARE UTTER RUBBISH AND NEED MASSIVE BUFFS.

 

I merely want to set the record straight, once and for all, as to whether these planes are balanced and workable, or are underperforming and need buffs.


Remember, remember the 14th of... June, the day of patch 2.05.  Some say it's great end-game content, some say it's horrible, but history will always recall which it actually was.

 

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LMG #8 Posted 12 February 2019 - 02:33 AM

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View Postlegoboy0401, on 11 February 2019 - 09:25 PM, said:

I already have the former(although it's kind of complicated right now and I'm trying to win her heart back after she fell in love with this other guy she knows), and don't drive yet.

 

The specific reason I made this thread, though, is not because I personally think the two Pe-2s should be buffed or not, it's because the perspectives I've heard on these two aircraft vary WILDLY, FROM SAYING THAT THESE TWO AIRCRAFT ARE QUITE GOOD, TO SAYING THAT THEY ARE UTTER RUBBISH AND NEED MASSIVE BUFFS.

 

I merely want to set the record straight, once and for all, as to whether these planes are balanced and workable, or are underperforming and need buffs.

 

The problem is that they work best when not played as regular bombers. They have the added capabilities of being able to divebomb, which imo is how they perform best. Problem is that the game doesn't really tell you it can do that (at least not clearly), nor is there a way to learn how to do that aside of trial and error. It doesn't help that bots don't divebomb on them, and instead pretend to be German bombers, which leads to them getting shot to hell by heavies and ADAs (please don't ban me for saying "hell" chat bot :ohmy:).

 

Here's a video where I fly the Pe-2 like a divebomber for reference:

 

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And the Pe-2 M-82:

 

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Edited by LMG, 12 February 2019 - 02:33 AM.

This is my IL-2 (t). There are many like it, but this one is mine. :child:

trikke #9 Posted 12 February 2019 - 03:45 AM

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i could use a little bit bigger forward guns, if someone's handing them out for free

 

i loved the Pe series in WT, and there was a bunch of 'em to love


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Cenotaph #10 Posted 12 February 2019 - 04:47 AM

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It is a bomber that flies like a heavy fighter... if you aren't willing to play it like that, then you really have no room to complain that it doesn't do what you want it to.

 

If you want it to be just like every other bomber, then yes... it likely needs it's stats adjusted.

 

However, in the hands of a good player that is willing to play to it's strengths.... it's just fine how it is. (Especially since it -did- just get buffed to suit its intended role)


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legoboy0401 #11 Posted 12 February 2019 - 05:49 AM

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View PostCenotaph, on 11 February 2019 - 08:47 PM, said:

It is a bomber that flies like a heavy fighter... if you aren't willing to play it like that, then you really have no room to complain that it doesn't do what you want it to.

 

If you want it to be just like every other bomber, then yes... it likely needs it's stats adjusted.

 

However, in the hands of a good player that is willing to play to it's strengths.... it's just fine how it is. (Especially since it -did- just get buffed to suit its intended role)

 

I have no preconceived notions of how they ought to play, and it's not like I am playing them incorrectly and that is coloring my biases, because I haven't even unlocked the Pe-2 at Tier V, much less played it.

Remember, remember the 14th of... June, the day of patch 2.05.  Some say it's great end-game content, some say it's horrible, but history will always recall which it actually was.

 

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Cenotaph #12 Posted 12 February 2019 - 07:58 AM

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Seems like you ought to have an opinion bout something -before- you make a poll about it... but that could just be me.

 

And my previous statement was addressing people in general, not directed at you specifically.


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jack_wdw #13 Posted 12 February 2019 - 08:31 AM

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I'd rather stop asking for buffs.
you might think you're right and you could have a point.
But the way WG will implement such requests, probably will do more damage to the game.  (see requests for chat and afk bans)

No more buffs please

GonerNL #14 Posted 12 February 2019 - 08:46 AM

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I only wish they would drop the idiotic requirement to get 15 reargun kills in bombers ... I more or less gave up on bombers because I can not spec them.
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legoboy0401 #15 Posted 12 February 2019 - 09:42 PM

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View PostGonerNL, on 12 February 2019 - 12:46 AM, said:

I only wish they would drop the idiotic requirement to get 15 reargun kills in bombers ... I more or less gave up on bombers because I can not spec them.

 

Yeah, that's what another of my recent threads was about. I don't like that requirement any more than you do.

Remember, remember the 14th of... June, the day of patch 2.05.  Some say it's great end-game content, some say it's horrible, but history will always recall which it actually was.

 

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