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CorvusCorvax #21 Posted 11 February 2019 - 09:00 PM

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View Postlegoboy0401, on 11 February 2019 - 08:51 PM, said:

 

Then you must HATE the P-51s.

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Worst plane? Hmm... probably the 2PA. There is no point to flying this thing except for the novelty of turret-fighter, it doesn't even get an absurd nice like the Ki-43-Ic or Model-81A, it just exists being a bad plane.

 

Most awful plane to play though, hahahahah... hah... I've flown every tech tree plane (and a fair few premiums) in the game and there's three planes that are burned into my mind for "most awful to play." These planes are the Bf-109 G, the Ju-87G and the Sea Hawk.

 

Why not planes like the Su-9 or BV P.215.02? Well, you see, unlike these two planes there's some funny hahah gimmick or niche strength you can exploit to make them good (with the Fw-190 A-1 being more of a "so bad it's actually fun to play" sort of plane)

 

 

The Bf-109 G has incredible performance being superior to the 109 F in that aspect, however you get a side grade (arguably a downgrade) to the Bf-109 F in firepower, and you've moved up a tier... Friendly reminder the I-220 exists and you will see tier 8 planes a LOT. This plane can actually be fun in specific situations but grinding specialist on it (since I grinded through it in 2.0.4, where it was better) was hellish and frankly, painful to play.

 

The Ju-87G is not a very good plane, no speed, no maneuverability, and only two sniper cannons with a single .30 cal in the back. Not even particularly durable. When I came back to 2.0 I actually ragesold this plane for the Hs 129 B, I've come back to it and had some fun times, but it's still quite a drag trying to really do anything on most maps. ESPECIALLY Archipelago: Decisive Blow.

 

Why the Sea Hawk though? There's nothing wrong with the Sea Hawk, it's a decent plane. Unlike the Bf-109 G it can actually kill things and can try to destroy ground targets. Well, you're flying a plane with no strength, quite literally an average plane in every way, and being so painfully mediocre in tier 9 is a surefire way to induce rage as you get destroyed by some of the crazy planes you see in tiers 9 and 10.

The Me P.1092 for example, it outguns you, outmaneuvers you, and is on par/outspeeds you, it has better altitude, and dives better; crank the P.1092 up to eleven with equipment and now you have a plane you cannot fight in any way except bring friends.

The F-84B, outmaneuvers you, has similar enough speed to you, is extremely durable, has better altitude, dives about the same, and has more ordnance; the F-84B is beatable in a head-on but good luck dealing with an intelligent one if they're out to get you.

Actually there is one "strength" about the Sea Hawk, it doesn't lose much speed in a boosting climb so you're pretty good at punishing HF's if you keep your speed up, too bad they'll likely kill you in a single pass or crit you into oblivion.

Oh friendly reminder this thing sees tier 10 planes as well, of which it struggles to properly deal with because it's mediocre for its own tier.

It's not a bad plane, but it's not a good plane, and it has no real redeeming aspect other than funny boost climbs, so when I was up against some of my friends, mates, and some of the best pilots on NA I was wishing for the match to end faster because it was incredibly painful to have nothing you're actually good at. Every single match was me struggling to even keep up because I had no strength to play to.

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View PostReitousair, on 11 February 2019 - 09:14 PM, said:

 

The Bf-109 G has incredible performance being superior to the 109 F in that aspect, however you get a side grade (arguably a downgrade) to the Bf-109 F in firepower, and you've moved up a tier... Friendly reminder the I-220 exists and you will see tier 8 planes a LOT. This plane can actually be fun in specific situations but grinding specialist on it (since I grinded through it in 2.0.4, where it was better) was hellish and frankly, painful to play.

 

The Me P.1092 for example, it outguns you, outmaneuvers you, and is on par/outspeeds you, it has better altitude, and dives better; crank the P.1092 up to eleven...

Wow.  Im glad to hear you say this about the Sea Hawk.  I'm running it for the sole purpose of getting the Hunter.  As a SEAD plane, the Sea Hawk is quite good, but it is more GAA than LF on the MRF continuum.

 

I enjoyed my brief journey with the 109G.  It was a BnZ joy at T7, but the weak guns really made actually shooting anything down a bit of a pain.  I think the Friederich and the Gustav are your penance for the joy you get with the P.1092 and the P.1101.  I am constantly amazed at how effortless the P.1092 is to play.  It does everything so well, and even the mighty Yak-30 has to respect it, a T10 plane that defines TnB, keeping eyes open for a T9 BnZ fighter.  My favorite T7 is still the Gustav, but you are right in being frustrated by the lack of guns.



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Yak-9 is the worst to me--- it can't turn, no speed, no altitude, and slow inaccurate gun. In reality it was almost as maneuverable as Yak-3 and had many gun configurations, and some had bombs. The most produced USSR WW2 fighter.

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Yak-9 and Ta-152. I don't want to learn to aim.

BSh-2 and IL-2 - no gunner, no speed, no maneuverability. I don't have them now, I sold them long time ago.

Yak-15 ---- No speed, weak guns and it's a jet!

I-16(e) and I-16(L) --- in 2.0 became very bad, cannot out turn or catch up to anyone, got no altitude, no speed and no flaps. They were some of the best fighters in its tier before 2.0. But it's multirole now, got 4 rockets it tier 3, 6 rockets in tier 4. It has average guns, so it shoots ok.

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Me-209 V4 --- Very high speed, but can't turn + weak guns.

XF4F-3 --- I can't get used to it. Not enough speed, not enough altitude, no maneuverability, no bombs/rockets. It's a nerfed F4F, but it's much worse than non premium F2A Buffalo.

 

If for some weird reason I pick one of those, I quickly reminded by enemy team and my result why I don't like them.


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View Postegikov, on 11 February 2019 - 03:21 PM, said:

Yak-9 is the worst to me--- it can't turn, no speed, no altitude, and slow inaccurate gun. In reality it was almost as maneuverable as Yak-3 and had many gun configurations, and some had bombs. The most produced USSR WW2 fighter.

Non-Premium:

Yak-9 and Ta-152. I don't want to learn to aim.

BSh-2 and IL-2 - no gunner, no speed, no maneuverability. I don't have them now, I sold them long time ago.

Yak-15 ---- No speed, weak guns and it's a jet!

I-16(e) and I-16(L) --- in 2.0 became very bad, cannot out turn or catch up to anyone, got no altitude, no speed and no flaps. They were some of the best fighters in its tier before 2.0. But it's multirole now, got 4 rockets it tier 3, 6 rockets in tier 4. It has average guns, so it shoots ok.

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Me-209 V4 --- Very high speed, but can't turn + weak guns.

XF4F-3 --- I can't get used to it. Not enough speed, not enough altitude, no maneuverability, no bombs/rockets. It's a nerfed F4F, but it's much worse than non premium F2A Buffalo.

 

If for some weird reason I pick one of those, I quickly reminded by enemy team and my result why I don't like them.

 

I beg to differ. Both are very strong and I enjoyed the former and continue to enjoy the latter very much.

 

edit: I totally agree on the Me 209 V4, albeit with one caveat: it IS very fun to fly. It may not be very fun to play overall, but it IS at least fun to fly.


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View Postlegoboy0401, on 11 February 2019 - 11:41 PM, said:

 

 

edit: I totally agree on the Me 209 V4, albeit with one caveat: it IS very fun to fly. It may not be very fun to play overall, but it IS at least fun to fly.

 

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Me -209 V4 is very small and very fast. It maybe fun to fly around, but it does not affect anything; it just annoys enemy team. If you like to annoy enemy team and scratch their paint it's ok. At least this plane has very good survival rate, or you can slow down and die fast if you are bored that no one can shoot you down..

J8M in tier 8 also with high speed and low maneuverability at least has some good guns and a rocket engine, so it can reach high speed super fast; so it's more fun.



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Me -209 V4 is very small and very fast. It maybe fun to fly around, but it does not affect anything; it just annoys enemy team. If you like to annoy enemy team and scratch their paint it's ok.

 

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View Postegikov, on 11 February 2019 - 04:28 PM, said:

Me -209 V4 is very small and very fast. It maybe fun to fly around, but it does not affect anything; it just annoys enemy team. If you like to annoy enemy team and scratch their paint it's ok. At least this plane has very good survival rate, or you can slow down and die fast if you are bored that no one can shoot you down..

J8M in tier 8 also with high speed and low maneuverability at least has some good guns and a rocket engine, so it can reach high speed super fast; so it's more fun.

 

a Me 209 V4 with boost efficiency equipment takes off like a shot.

 

It's not a bad bomber killer, although it can be slow, especially on the Bombers where it needs to hit-and-run them because of their strong defensive armament.

 

The thing is exceptionally good at penetrating B-17G defenses, although it could use a small altitude buff at least(it's red zone is still below same-tier bombers, excepting the Pe-2)

 

But I would NEVER say no to a DPS buff on the thing either.


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Yeah the speed & altitude on 209v4 feels so good, but no agility or firepower.

 

I found 109G a vast improvement over the F, primarily because of the Mk108 30mm, I can see it being a PITA for those who can't get it to land but I just clicked straight into landing it, conversely on 209A I have had a hard time getting the Mk103 to land so 'downgraded' to the Mk108 & find it much more pleasant to fly.

 

F is definitely a candidate for worst with just that single 20mm & 2 mgs.

Similarly the P-51a has great speed & altitude but lacking agility & only 4* 12.7mm.

I-210 is another in the same genre but really 2* 20mm isn't really all that bad, bumping them up to B-20s would make it a solid plane.

 

I actually didn't enjoy Yak-3 much, its got great agility & better speed than the Yak-1s but because of finicky gun grouping behaviour I found the switch up to 20mm 2ndaries normally left my with all guns overheated when I could switch to mg secondaries on lower tier planes.

Similar issue with Yak-9u vs Yak-9.

 

I loved basically the whole La line except the La-7, at that tier rather than the normal glorious medium, its just not good enough at speed, agility or altitude.

 

Yak 30 as the top of the Yak agility line was a big disappointment, its got agility, the 3*23mm are still great firepower but the altitude & top speed super disappointing.

 

Really hated Attacker. Its got good speed & the 4*20mm is still solid firepower but I just always seemed to be fully defensive being constantly engaged/picked on by the smarter high tier bots, I could survive & even mostly beat them but the amount of time it took made it a super annoying plane to play.

 

I-16s definitely not bad, 9.6s turn is ample (see La line) and then they have great firepower, speed & altitude are pretty low priority in those low tiers.

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I used to think the Friedrich was bad but having learnt the little trick to it, it's actually become my second tier 6 specialist and a very decent airplane. I used to prefer the Gustav but now I can do well in the F consistently while the G is still a challenge.

 

I would actually say the I-210 is the worst of the lot. It doesn't have the sustained dps of the P-51A (which I found wholly painless and indeed highly enjoyable to fly) nor does it have the raw performance of the 109F. And the F still has its two MG17s to keep burning its target down. The I-210 just lacks dot to be a good plane. 


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I don't play lower tier very often so my opinion is based on tier 5 and above. Personally, I don't enjoy the following:

 

U.S.

The entire US fighter line after tier 5 and the entire P-47 line after tier 5. Don't teach me how to play these planes until you figure out how to one pass kill with their hopeless machine guns. P-38F, altitude performance is great and that's all. F2H, 720 DPS at tier 9? Seriously?

 

U.S.S.R.

La-7, La-9, good at nothing. Su-9, extremely sluggish with mediocre guns. TnB yak line before Yak-19, strictly worse than Zeroes. I-210, no firepower. 

 

Germany

BF-109F BF-109G. FW-190 A1. Batwing at tier 10. The two after TA-152, TA-152 is not very enjoyable either after the nerf but I don't consider it weak. Bf109Z, the guns never hit.

 

Japan

None, I have to admit TnB planes have lots of advantages even I prefer fast planes. J8M is weak but fun.

 

UK

None. UK planes have great ordnance, some of them don't feel good but at least they contribute to taking points.


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I would actually say the I-210 is the worst of the lot. It doesn't have the sustained dps of the P-51A (which I found wholly painless and indeed highly enjoyable to fly) nor does it have the raw performance of the 109F. And the F still has its two MG17s to keep burning its target down. The I-210 just lacks dot to be a good plane. 

 

I hated the twin 20mm setup on the i-210 and switched back to the three 0.50 cals, liked that plane a lot better after that.

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View Postjack_wdw, on 12 February 2019 - 03:35 AM, said:

 

I hated the twin 20mm setup on the i-210 and switched back to the three 0.50 cals, liked that plane a lot better after that.

 

That’s how I had my I-210 set up in 1.x.

 

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View PostCaptain_Rownd, on 11 February 2019 - 09:09 AM, said:

 

Sure, I chase bombers in everything too, but it's usually adequate and however high I go there's always something that can get up there if it wants to.

 

 

chasing high alt bombers effectively removes you from the battle, so most can't and the rest usually don't 

 

except me... because i regularly make poor decisions, i chase bombers a lot

 

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View Posttrikke, on 12 February 2019 - 06:38 AM, said:

 

chasing high alt bombers effectively removes you from the battle, so most can't and the rest usually don't 

 

except me... because i regularly make poor decisions, i chase bombers a lot

 

to the chagrin of my excellent flight partners, who then have to work that much harder

 

... which is why I am not stupid for flying my German bombers at high altitude

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i do too, even though it gimps our top speed, maneuverability and bombing precision 

 

when i put it that way...  are we being idiots?

 

don't answer that


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View Posttrikke, on 12 February 2019 - 05:26 PM, said:

i do too, even though it gimps our top speed, maneuverability and bombing precision 

 

when i put it that way...  are we being idiots?

 

don't answer that

 

Just deploy your flaps before dropping with either non-carpet bombing multi-drops or single drops.

 

For carpet bombing alone you need to BOOST so that you can reach the max number of targets, the issue is less one of accuracy, because two of those 500 pound bombs, especially with demo expert(WHICH MAKES THEIR ALREADY LARGE BLAST RADIUS EVEN BIGGER), have a big enough combined reach to take out any square target, and for the one rectangular one in the Plant, 3 usually does it, though I usually end up giving it 4: 2 on one ground target before, 2 on the Plant's special target, stick empty. 2 more on the Plant's special target, and then 2 on one ground target beyond.


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View Posttrikke, on 12 February 2019 - 02:38 PM, said:

 

chasing high alt bombers effectively removes you from the battle, s

You don't chase them.

 

You know where they are going to be, so you climb up and meet them there.  There are some bomber pilots who can rule the map, and they have to be priority 1.  You might still lose because of potato team mates, but you won't lose because a bomber pilot beat you.

 

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View PostSTJ_12, on 11 February 2019 - 10:39 PM, said:

I don't play lower tier very often so my opinion is based on tier 5 and above. Personally, I don't enjoy the following:

 

U.S.

The entire US fighter line after tier 5 and the entire P-47 line after tier 5. Don't teach me how to play these planes until you figure out how to one pass kill with their hopeless machine guns. P-38F, altitude performance is great and that's all. F2H, 720 DPS at tier 9? Seriously?

 

U.S.S.R.

La-7, La-9, good at nothing. Su-9, extremely sluggish with mediocre guns. TnB yak line before Yak-19, strictly worse than Zeroes. I-210, no firepower. 

 

Germany

BF-109F BF-109G. FW-190 A1. Batwing at tier 10. The two after TA-152, TA-152 is not very enjoyable either after the nerf but I don't consider it weak. Bf109Z, the guns never hit.

 

Japan

None, I have to admit TnB planes have lots of advantages even I prefer fast planes. J8M is weak but fun.

 

UK

None. UK planes have great ordnance, some of them don't feel good but at least they contribute to taking points.

 

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