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STJ_12 #1 Posted 08 February 2019 - 01:22 AM

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I just find my P-47N specialist mission finished and I bought a specialist configuration for it. I did it not because I like its in-game playstyle, I was not even trying to finish the mission. I bought a specialist just because I happened to finish the mission, happened to have some extra credits and happened to know P-47s are historically famous. 

 

Now every human player in the enemy team starts to focus me. People want to focus specialist, I understand. But for this particular plane, it makes it almost unplayable. For those who know the plane in this game, it is not fast, not maneuverable, cannot go very high and the guns are not impressive at all. Basically, when the enemies really want you die, you die. With no way to fight back, or disengage.

 

I'm not complaining about the plane per se. I don't think it is a strong one though, but with a great amount of ordnance, you can still do well in it if you know how to not attract enemies attention and steal cap points for the team.

 

I'm complaining about the specialist wings-like icon. It is sending a message to the entire enemy team: "Hey, look at me! My plane is fully upgraded, with some nice equipment. Would you like to kill me?"

 

The specialist icon is a problem for most planes but I've never imagined it could be so serious that completely destroy the playability of a plane. Specialist is the best idea to introduce unfairness. Then WG come up with another best idea to make it balanced. Great job! WG!



LeastWeasel #2 Posted 08 February 2019 - 01:37 AM

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If the icon is triiggering headhunting, switch back to your regular config. If you’re not rocking seriously enhanced equipment, you’re just putting a giant bullseye on your back for little to no benefit.

Jazz_4 #3 Posted 08 February 2019 - 04:35 AM

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eh don't feel bad when I play my bombers I get hunted by players and bot heavy fighters. it's a mess I can't fight back at all even at higher altitude it's a nightmare my a26b is underpowered with the skills on it. I get shot down fast by the p38j and the Japanese heavies the tier 5 and 6 uk heavy fighters. it's a nightmare but what can you do.

Captain_Rownd #4 Posted 08 February 2019 - 04:45 AM

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Those little Specialist wings are the easiest way to pick out the players from the bots in a furball. 

wylleEcoyote #5 Posted 08 February 2019 - 06:05 PM

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View PostCaptain_Rownd, on 07 February 2019 - 11:45 PM, said:

Those little Specialist wings are the easiest way to pick out the players from the bots in a furball. 

 

pffft heheh there are Really Useful Mods for that sort of thing ...

        


Captain_Rownd #6 Posted 08 February 2019 - 06:23 PM

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View PostwylleEcoyote, on 08 February 2019 - 06:05 PM, said:

 

pffft heheh there are Really Useful Mods for that sort of thing ...

 

Most players don't use mods, and those little winged icons are built right into the game.  You can pick out those things flashing by even in the hardest turning fight

Edited by Captain_Rownd, 08 February 2019 - 06:32 PM.


BB3_Oregon_Steel #7 Posted 08 February 2019 - 07:32 PM

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This is one of the primary reasons that I've very hesitant to upgrade my aircraft to specialist level.  As far as I know, WOWP's is the only game which hangs a big red "Please shoot me" sign on any fully built out and improved vehicle.  Warships doesn't do that and neither does Tanks and I think the reasons for that are fairly obvious.  I can slap full upgrades and fully built out modules on my warship and none of the red ships will be any the wiser. 

 

I think the rationale in Warplanes is that the developers thought that being easily identified as an "ace" commander would attract more people to the specialist designation and who knows, maybe there are some players out there that love having those winged icons.  But for players like me, the risk/reward equation seems to have a lot of risk with little reward.  



Captain_Rownd #8 Posted 08 February 2019 - 08:44 PM

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Given that the Specialist config is optional, and that you get extra upgrades and consumables from it, it can be argued that the "please shoot me" sign is a fair trade. 

LeastWeasel #9 Posted 08 February 2019 - 09:02 PM

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Restating: If you’re just using *one* extra piece of equipment/consumable, it really, really may not be worth the attention. Get all your equipment to “advanced” or above, though - and that’s a pile of extra bonus buffs, plus higher base bonuses.

If, as stated, your p-47 performs best when you evade attention - calibrate the heck out of your *improved* equipment and DO NOT use the specialist config, until you can bump all your equipment up to advanced or beyond.

Conversely - while flying the Fantome at tier 4, my big problem is goading my oppenents down to me - so while I am still using low-level equipment that doesn’t warrant specialist, I absolutely want the extra attention it brings me.

 

BIG POINT: the specialist icon invokes a kind of psychological metagame, drawing both attention to your plane & encouraging overeager headhunters - and also starts the opponent guessing: what flavour of superplane is this? If they engage you thinking you’ve built up in a balanced fashion, they may be surprised if you’ve min-maxed a single characteristic or bucked the trend with a plane that does the unexpected. 

 

That, I think, is one of the strengths of the  specialist system - I actually really like both the mechanics and the metagame of it. And it can work for you! Right now though, OP - you’re using it against your best interests. 


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TankNoob1960 #10 Posted 08 February 2019 - 09:08 PM

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I specialize every plane I enjoy.

As far as the wings go or a bullseye...

Make my day...lolol

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Ps.. When do you get the "alternate configuration"??


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Captain_Underpants53 #11 Posted 08 February 2019 - 09:35 PM

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If you are going to fly a bomber you might as well go Spec.  You already got the 'shoot me first' sign just because you are a bomber.  But mostly, the bombers don't really shine until they are Spec.
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legoboy0401 #12 Posted 08 February 2019 - 09:36 PM

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View PostTankNoob1960, on 08 February 2019 - 01:08 PM, said:

I specialize every plane I enjoy.

As far as the wings go or a bullseye...

Make my day...lolol

Gunny

 

Ps.. When do you get the "alternate configuration"??

 

Probably about the same time we will get "a whole sub-line of Stukas armed with bombs"

 

:sceptic:

 

that, and "Aircraft Prototypes" rentable for tokens for tech tree planes(a way of testing planes before you actually buy them, or so the in-game description of what they will be seems to suggest)


Edited by legoboy0401, 08 February 2019 - 11:12 PM.

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Deltavee #13 Posted 09 February 2019 - 01:03 AM

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A while ago I outright stopped buying the Specialist configuration. 

Now I just build the plane to the max in the grind and when it is ready for spec I just play them that way sans Spec.  Got tired of being ganked because of the dumaz wings attracting flies and even more tired of being led around by the nose by WoWP.  This doesn't happen in the other games, so why here?  

WoWP NA is getting a break for a while.  Between two servers there are 6 games to play.  I'll find some other way to amuse myself 'till I cool off.

 


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View PostLeastWeasel, on 08 February 2019 - 04:02 PM, said:

 

BIG POINT: the specialist icon invokes a kind of psychological metagame, drawing both attention to your plane & encouraging overeager headhunters - and also starts the opponent guessing: what flavour of superplane is this? If they engage you thinking you’ve built up in a balanced fashion, they may be surprised if you’ve min-maxed a single characteristic or bucked the trend with a plane that does the unexpected. 

 

That, I think, is one of the strengths of the  specialist system - I actually really like both the mechanics and the metagame of it. And it can work for you! Right now though, OP - you’re using it against your best interests. 


THIS. There are "some" planes that really Are "Specialist". They have that ONE thing they excel at and not minmaxing around that advantage is foolishly for from the optimal.
(stuka's with the 37mm cannons come to mind. As do certain Soviet GAA and their Survivability and Rockets).

Edit: There is the cheeky breeky corollary.
A stock Zero out turns anything except another Zero.
A direct result of being made out of rice paper wrapped around balsa wood.
It is as fragile as fragile can be. And then its soaked in av-gas.
So of course you throw on a turn build and are capable  of out turning  a bumblebee.
-OR-
You can choose Zero equipment that maxes out Survivability :trollface:
and in a zero survive a head on ram from a heavy fighter :kamikaze:.  

And yet there are other planes that are "good enough but not great" at the main Meta's in the game ("hybrid planes" like the Bf 109 E and P-40 for example)  that can become Very Good at either Turn&Burn or Boom&Zoom depending on what equipment you load up.

 

View PostCaptain_Rownd, on 08 February 2019 - 03:44 PM, said:

Given that the Specialist config is optional, and that you get extra upgrades and consumables from it, it can be argued that the "please shoot me" sign is a fair trade. 


Its WG's way of saying "That spec RB-17 isnt gonna balance itself ... get to work, Player"


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Jazz_4 #15 Posted 09 February 2019 - 05:18 AM

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I am thinking about going specialist on the tier 5 spitfire. can anyone else give me tips on how to play the spitfire premium with Eddie as the pilot I notice on this tier 6 plane you have to get up close like really up close for its guns to do any damage.

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View PostJazz_4, on 08 February 2019 - 09:18 PM, said:

I am thinking about going specialist on the tier 5 spitfire. can anyone else give me tips on how to play the spitfire premium with Eddie as the pilot I notice on this tier 6 plane you have to get up close like really up close for its guns to do any damage.

 

Hi Jazz,

I love my Specialized Spit I, I made it turnier and faster with the equipment.

All equipment on it is  Ultimate.

Make sure you get 10% chance of critical on your gunsight.

I even put the Ultimate German Engine I won last weekend in it and it's fantastic.

I took the 9 skill Sea-Hawk pilot I got for Candy Canes and put him it it as well.

Thing is a beast.


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View PostCaptain_Rownd, on 08 February 2019 - 09:44 PM, said:

Given that the Specialist config is optional, and that you get extra upgrades and consumables from it, it can be argued that the "please shoot me" sign is a fair trade. 

 

I do not agree at all.

If you want to really optimize your plane to pre 2.0.5 status with extra slots and more enhancing (and you have to pay for all that ! you do not 'get extras' !), why should you be punished with the stupid wings ?? it should be optional and otherwise I propose that all players with a WR >60% also get a bulls-eye on their planes ... and players in a flight too.

 


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View PostGonerNL, on 11 February 2019 - 01:52 AM, said:

 

I do not agree at all.

If you want to really optimize your plane to pre 2.0.5 status with extra slots and more enhancing (and you have to pay for all that ! you do not 'get extras' !), why should you be punished with the stupid wings ?? it should be optional and otherwise I propose that all players with a WR >60% also get a bulls-eye on their planes ... and players in a flight too.

 

 

Amen. I want the wings GONE, AND GONE FOR GOOD AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

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STJ_12 #19 Posted 11 February 2019 - 04:35 PM

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View PostCaptain_Rownd, on 08 February 2019 - 08:44 PM, said:

Given that the Specialist config is optional, and that you get extra upgrades and consumables from it, it can be argued that the "please shoot me" sign is a fair trade. 

 

It is fair, but dumb. That's what I was thinking when writing this post. I want the bullseye icon gone. The game can never be fair anyway, why bother to be hypocritical? I even doubt the specialist icon is based on fairness consideration, maybe the developers just think it is COOOOOOOOOOL.

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"Kill me wings" do help note that a plane has a larger potential. Not saying they're a good thing, but they're useful.

 

Preferably, I want in-match plane stat checks back, that way you can check the stat card of an enemy plane and if you know your stuff, note what kind of build it appears to have. But they removed it with 2.0.2 and it's never come back...


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