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What is the Best Non-Heavy Fighter Line for learning the basics of B&Z playstyles

  1. Mustangs (0 votes [0.00%])

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  2. Thunderbolts (0 votes [0.00%])

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  3. Bf 109s (9 votes [69.23%] - View)

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  4. Corsairs (0 votes [0.00%])

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  5. Other(explain) (4 votes [30.77%] - View)

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Booze_Morgan #21 Posted 07 February 2019 - 03:39 AM

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Dude, the 109s are the answer to your question. Get in that 109B and B&Z it till you get it down.

legoboy0401 #22 Posted 07 February 2019 - 03:52 AM

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View PostBooze_Morgan, on 06 February 2019 - 07:39 PM, said:

Dude, the 109s are the answer to your question. Get in that 109B and B&Z it till you get it down.

 

I'm doing pretty decently in my 109B, nothing amazing, but it's tolerable. I do enjoy Bomber-hunting in it(the only real reason I'm interested in the Bf 109 line at all, apart from the Tier IX and X), but grinding to the 109 E is hardly a priority for me.

 

my 109B is fully-upgraded, so I play it whenever I have time, but I usually prefer my Bombers or Heavy Fighters, or whatever line I am grinding that I am prioritizing.

 

The second-to-last stage of this stage of this event, however, should be conducive to playing it a bit more often, so I will play it more then.

 

I will probably be playing my SE-100, and any new Tier V multi-roles or Light Fighters that I buy in between now and tomorrow in this coming stage.

 

 


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CorvusCorvax #23 Posted 07 February 2019 - 04:09 AM

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View PostSpiritFoxMY, on 07 February 2019 - 02:27 AM, said:

 

 

 I've found it ridiculously challenging to fly and carry in. I

 

Carrying with it is stupid-hard, for sure.  But it is SO entertaining to fly...

Dru83 #24 Posted 07 February 2019 - 04:29 AM

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Non-heavy BnZ Breakdown:


 

Mustang Line:

Starts with P-36 and P-40 which are better at shallow diving attacks and progresses to Mustangs which are great at high altitude diving and climbing attacks

Corsair Line: Starts with Buffalo and Wildcat which are better at shallow diving attacks or straight line BnZ with high hp and medium firepower. Corsairs have high firepower and decent ground ordnance and are best at high speed diving attacks or straight line BnZ

Thunderbolts: Starts with P-35, 43, and 44. High Speed Dives, but lower energy retention. Best to do one big diving attack and then switch to straight line BnZ. Tbolts have good hp, speed, and roll as well as awesome ground ordnance.


 

Bf-109 - Kings of vertical BnZ, weaker firepower, but awesome speed and energy retention


 

FW-190 - Straight line BnZ, Strongest firepower, ok speed in a straight line, horrible turning


 

Mig-3 line - Mig-3 is almost as good as bf-109 at vertical BnZ. Note that the tier 6 plane here is notoriously weak with firepower, but the tier 7 is a high firepower beast at both vertical Bnz and fast slashing diving attacks.


 

So, sticking to lower tier planes, I guess my top 3 to learn BnZ on would be bf-109b, Mig-3, and P-40 in that order. Those three planes have an easier time with reversing direction because of better energy retention. The P-43 is nice too, but with weaker energy retention, it is less forgiving of mistakes which can be a bad thing when you are learning.



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View Postlegoboy0401, on 07 February 2019 - 03:52 AM, said:

 

I'm doing pretty decently in my 109B, nothing amazing, but it's tolerable. I do enjoy Bomber-hunting in it(the only real reason I'm interested in the Bf 109 line at all, apart from the Tier IX and X), but grinding to the 109 E is hardly a priority for me.

 

 

 

 

 

I think the Emil is the best of the line until you get to tier IX.

Edited by CorvusCorvax, 07 February 2019 - 04:59 AM.


SpiritFoxMY #26 Posted 07 February 2019 - 05:04 AM

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View Postlegoboy0401, on 07 February 2019 - 11:52 AM, said:

 

I'm doing pretty decently in my 109B, nothing amazing, but it's tolerable. I do enjoy Bomber-hunting in it(the only real reason I'm interested in the Bf 109 line at all, apart from the Tier IX and X), but grinding to the 109 E is hardly a priority for me.

 

my 109B is fully-upgraded, so I play it whenever I have time, but I usually prefer my Bombers or Heavy Fighters, or whatever line I am grinding that I am prioritizing.

 

The second-to-last stage of this stage of this event, however, should be conducive to playing it a bit more often, so I will play it more then.

 

I will probably be playing my SE-100, and any new Tier V multi-roles or Light Fighters that I buy in between now and tomorrow in this coming stage.

 

 

 

The 109B is the best tier 4 fighter bar none. Nothing at its tier comes close to being as insanely overpowered as this. Its only real weakness is that it can get matched up against Spitfire Is at tier 5 and there's no escaping a Specialist Spitfire in a 109B.

 

The 109E is the best fighter at tier 5 for skilled fighter pilots. Newer and less skilled pilots get more out of the Spit I because of that plane's ludicrous combination of characteristics but in the hands of an experienced and highly skilled fighter pilot the 109E is king. 


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White_Widow18 #27 Posted 07 February 2019 - 05:10 AM

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View Postlegoboy0401, on 06 February 2019 - 07:44 PM, said:

 

What would you say to a Me 209 V4 build with Raptor Strike on its pilot?

 

Hmm.. if you worked it right that might make its guns bearable
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Bobby_Tables #28 Posted 07 February 2019 - 05:26 AM

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Your question is difficult to answer.  The 109B and 109E are excellent training tools for BnZ in fighters.  Once you get up higher, the plane characteristics change and you are probably better off applying your energy management skills to heavies or other planes with heavier guns.  The F and G versions of these planes are difficult at best.  The 209 and above are pretty good but not tops at this playstyle.  



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Also.. so far.. the ME 262 is..

I dunno.. I'm scoring rather well in it and getting decent chevrons.. and I still feel completely useless in it.
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View PostCorvusCorvax, on 06 February 2019 - 07:25 PM, said:

 

Until you learn how to play it.  Then it KILLS everything.  Lately, it has been giving my Do-335 a serious run for my T8 playing time.

 

As a BnZ aircraft, it is close to the ultimate expression.  The J8M, I think, *is* the ultimate expression.  But fly close, blast with big guns, fly off.  Lather, rinse, repeat.  As a reward, you get to fly the 262 HGII.  A whole new level of German HF fun.  And after that, the 262 HGIII.

 

Oh.

 

Em.

 

Gee.

 

Not going to lie btw.. I started out sincerely hating the 262.. then I discovered the ability to delete bombers and GAA and send them to ever longer respawns if I just -sprint- across the map and get them before their first caps.. or at least 2 of them.. it's pretty vicious as a tactic. Old fashioned attrition win LOL
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View PostSpiritFoxMY, on 07 February 2019 - 12:04 AM, said:

The 109B is the best tier 4 fighter bar none. Nothing at its tier comes close to being as insanely overpowered as this. Its only real weakness is that it can get matched up against Spitfire Is at tier 5 and there's no escaping a Specialist Spitfire in a 109B.

 

i never forget to fly the b at least once during a session, because b       

 

that plane, and the T5 p-39f are my personal must-flys

 

i don't always do well in either one, but the red bots seem to get more nervous whenever i get near them

 

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qu33kKC #32 Posted 07 February 2019 - 03:27 PM

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While I haven't gone beyond it in the Me-109 line, the Emil is a LOT of fun to fly.  (I do my B&Z in American heavies, but that's beside the OP.)

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There's not really a good line of non-HF planes that can serve as BnZ training wheels. The closest you'll probably come is either the MiG line or North American line, however one lacks the dive acceleration and energy retention while the other lacks the firepower.

 

You're probably best off just flying U.S/German HF's if you want to properly learn BnZ in a line of aircraft, it may seem like jumping into the deep end of the pool right away but I've found people pick up BnZ a LOT faster if they're flying aircraft that practically force the playstyle on them and are given a few pointers.


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wylleEcoyote #34 Posted 08 February 2019 - 12:25 PM

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For flying about in B&Z that is not a Heavy Fighter ...

I recommend two lines.
The Bf line at tier 4 is very strong. It is simple to up grade. (go for a gun sight and lightweight wings and frame)
It has the altitude to avoid the few things that can regularly out turn it.
This higher altitude is the place from which you use your Airspeed to dive and zoom away against other light fighters.

Anything else you can out turn as normal. In the vertical or horizontal.

In this way it is considered a Hybrid. what it can not out turn it will out zoom. What can out zoom it will be the thing you can out turn.

Keep that plane handy for completing tier 4 missions.

Get the Bf at tier 5. Use it the same way. The only difference is that it gets an extra engine slot.
Which you will want to have anyway for an uptuned engine 
And That will teach you the basics.
Quick easy and simple.

If you want a taste of what is to come try out the premium Bf 109 E-3 at tier five.
Even better Flight characteristics at the cost of firepower.
With that said the E-3 still has a certain set of training wheels with its Special Pilot

..But anything else in mid tiers is undergunned and no special pilot will work around this.
The training wheels come off and this will remain unchanged until tier eight.
 
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Another plane that is similar in flight characteristics  to the Bf 109 E is
The P-40.
They ARE different .  But can still teach the time honored tactics of B&Z. Get in. Do that damage. and Get out.
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Also once you get used to the WarHawk, the Mustang line is more fun at tiers 6-8 while the Bf line is more like work.

Finally when you get a good taste of B&Z action both of these lines lead to Very Satisfying Heavy Fighters like ...
The P-38's (especiallly tier 5) off of the P-40. 
Or the German Heavy fighter line in general. (Though special mentions of the tier 3 and tier 6 early on).

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View Postlegoboy0401, on 06 February 2019 - 09:52 PM, said:

 

I'm doing pretty decently in my 109B, nothing amazing, but it's tolerable. I do enjoy Bomber-hunting in it(the only real reason I'm interested in the Bf 109 line at all, apart from the Tier IX and X), but grinding to the 109 E is hardly a priority for me.

 

my 109B is fully-upgraded, so I play it whenever I have time, but I usually prefer my Bombers or Heavy Fighters, or whatever line I am grinding that I am prioritizing.

 

The second-to-last stage of this stage of this event, however, should be conducive to playing it a bit more often, so I will play it more then.

 

I will probably be playing my SE-100, and any new Tier V multi-roles or Light Fighters that I buy in between now and tomorrow in this coming stage.

 

 

 

The question was what fighter can best train B&Z, if I understood it right, not that other stuff. That's what the 109s were made for.




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