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Bubba_Zanetti #21 Posted 07 February 2019 - 04:06 PM

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View Posthoom, on 07 February 2019 - 07:22 AM, said:

That in no way counters the point:

We get to retrain to 90% for Silver leaving only 10K crew XP to finish off the retraining of a Pilot to 100% on a new plane regardless of his skill points.

That is absolutely miniscule (a few battles max & more than a few times I've done it in 1) compared to what we have to go through for high skill Crew retraining in WoT or WoWS where the Silver retraining is only 75% and 50% respectively and the XP required scales on the logarithmic scale along with the Crew Skill so eg a 19pt WoWS Captain has to grind 500,000XP to retrain, either purely in Premium ships or without Skills in the ship you're trying to retrain to, its insane.

 

You guys are flat out completely wrong to be against that.

 

I'd absolutely love WG to apply the same system to the other titles.

 

In your opinion.  Miniscule or not, it wasn't necessary and they arbitrarily changed it..just like dropping 2.carp.  Just like dropping anniversaries..what?  copy/paste not available on Cyrillic keyboards?  And one of the great things between all 3 properties was that each had unique features.  Kind of made you want to do well in each properties.  But then you shiptards come here wanting to change this to wows.  I DON'T WANT 20 MINUTE BATTLES.   The attraction of this game initially was heart pumping,  adrenaline rush, quick matches.  Go back to ships hoom if it's so fricken great and give us vets back our 1.4.

 

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hoom #22 Posted 07 February 2019 - 04:19 PM

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 WoWS is allowing FREE movement  for Commander skills to offset the changes in gameplay.

Its re-spec of Skills thats free not retraining to a new Ship and only until 11th Feb. Actually read the notes.

 

They've done these temporary free skill re-specs several times & its certainly nice but it doesn't change that in WoWS if you want to transfer a high Skill Captain to a new ship you are basically forced to use Gold, its really not a player friendly setup.

 

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 In your opinion. 

In objective fact.

You get to retrain to 90% for Silver and after you played a few battles to earn the tiny 10K XP the Premium behaves normally.

 

Though should also add: in WoWS you don't have the option to enable Accelerated Training, another player unfriendly setup.

In WoT you have to use crew of the same Type as the Premium (Light, Medium, Heavy, TD, Arty) to get the full Skill effect.


Edited by hoom, 07 February 2019 - 04:41 PM.

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Perrigrino #23 Posted 07 February 2019 - 11:55 PM

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Miss Magus and his no- nonsense approach to the game. He was absolutely spot on when he said those things. They still echo in my fragile memory. Not long ago asked the Devs about any rework to pilot skills, and if that would also include compensation, to which they replied, not considering it NOW.

 

Have not seen or heard from him for some time, so guessing, being a man of principle and true to his word, he has likely removed himself. - Bait and switch- too much of that going on.

 



Bubba_Zanetti #24 Posted 08 February 2019 - 12:15 AM

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Being obtuse doesn’t make your stand objectively factual or reasonable...go reread what magus stated and most of us felt at that time...another waste of developer resources instead of working towards end game/clan activities.  We can agree to disagree.

 

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Perrigrino #25 Posted 08 February 2019 - 05:56 AM

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View PostBubba_Zanetti, on 08 February 2019 - 12:15 AM, said:

Being obtuse doesn’t make your stand objectively factual or reasonable...go reread what magus stated and most of us felt at that time...another waste of developer resources instead of working towards end game/clan activities.  We can agree to disagree.

 

not sure why your claiming I'm making a stand? I'm fondly remembering someone I admire. Is that a problem all of a sudden? I have been reading in these 4ums for some time Bubba, u know that. I didn't specifically reread the hotlinks posted, just went from my tarnished memory- and from what I remember, all his wonderful posts about how and what to fly, I learned a lot from reading and watching his videos, and others. He got peeved a couple times for what WG did, which he deemed completely unethical. And then later, the sudden change in his narrative, especially after 2.0.5 or whatever that was, where he railed against WG for taking away something he had paid for, Premium Aircraft- and he wasn't the only one, and that wasn't the1st time. Perhaps it was my misuse of "spot-on" which, BTW, means I am in agreement. Seems to be a bit of misunderstanding going on. Anyway, that's what I was remembering. And reference to questions asked of devs were mine. Hope that straightens out any loose obtuse. 

 

Oh yeah, and this-

 

Magus:

"Here's the thing, and this has been the thing to varying degrees for as long as I have been playing, and that clock goes all the way back to pre-release testing, and quite a bit of that as well.  Prenz is right; the physics of the game and the rules of flight are a fantasy, due to their being only loosely tied to what the aircraft were like in reality.  Aircraft historically weren't balanced.  Biplanes fought 109s in Spain and obsolete 109s and Zeros faced increasingly better Allied aircraft in the war's later years.

 

Characteristics of how aircraft in this game perform are molded, massaged and occasionally completely reworked in the name of the game's ongoing development. Patch 2.0 was the largest change of that nature.  2.0.5 was a close second to 2.0 for altering the gameplay the most.  The only competition to the new enhancement/calibration and specialist system was in 1.5 when the game physics were completely reworked and the performance or availability of a few control methods were seriously changed.  The other competitor was 1.7 with the introduction of AI bots to fill out teams in the PVP matches.  What these patches all had in common was that they were panned pretty hard on release.  All of them have also had aftershocks in the following patches as changes for balance occur as unintended performance is demonstrated by creative thinkers.

 

It's a cycle and process I've seen play out several times already.   The goal here is to have a balanced game.  What that means is so long as every plane isn't a carbon copy of everything else there must be ongoing monitoring of stats of aircraft.  If one begins to overperform in important areas, such as expected ground and capture points earned in a single battle, or winrate, or aircraft destroyed per battle....they'll probably analyze the three server's battle data and maybe even look at the forums to get a feeling for what is going on.  That information is based on far more than the battles you logged in the RB-17.  The anecdotal "evidence" of  posts on the forums complaining about the RB-17 may have been on all three server's forums, but their contents and complaints weren't what the devs based their changes on.  That would have been the numbers they got from analyzing the RB-17's performance in battle.  I am saddened that the A-26B got caught up in this as well and the other high-flying bombers have been made even more defenseless than they were before (while still requiring defensive gunner kills to specialize cause reasons) just boggles me.

 

That being said, man, I understand how you feel.  I remember losing three man flights and arguing back that "Anyone could flight up with two friends.  Don't blame us for being good at this game."  Many other nerfs were to follow; I stopped keeping track after awhile and now just wander around until I find something I like in my hangar again whenever major changes drop.

 

 


Edited by Perrigrino, 08 February 2019 - 06:38 AM.


Perrigrino #26 Posted 08 February 2019 - 06:34 AM

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and just to get back on track, I have been asking similar questions as the op. some going way back as well. I too tried different pilots to see what result could be had. The complexity of the game keeps growing under some kinda wierd  inertia, perhaps to loosen our wallets?

Edited by Perrigrino, 08 February 2019 - 06:39 AM.


hoom #27 Posted 08 February 2019 - 07:22 AM

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 not sure why your claiming I'm making a stand?

 Pretty sure he meant me not you.

 

But there is nothing obtuse about the simple objective fact that 10,000 is a hell of a lot smaller number than 500,000.

 

THEY CHANGED THE SYSTEM AND MADE IT A COUPLE OF ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE BETTER THAN OTHER WG TITLES, I AM SO ANGRY!!11!! /s

 

Edit: OK so apparently my memory of WoT retraining was a bit flawed, you do get 90% Silver retraining and the amount of XP apparently doesn't scale up like I was remembering.

But its about 40K XP to get back to 100%, 60K if the crew is changing from one Type to another.

Also if you have unassigned Skill XP that will automatically be used to reduce the amount of XP you have to grind to complete Proficiency.

 

I'll still take our constant 10K with zero lost XP.


Edited by hoom, 08 February 2019 - 07:42 AM.

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Bubba_Zanetti #28 Posted 08 February 2019 - 02:33 PM

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No Perrigrino, it was directed at hoom who doesn't seem to comprehend that we could train proficiency with premium planes, and even though spending 200k credits and flying a further 10k xp of battles isn't much compared to the other titles, isn't the main gist of why Magus wrote what he wrote (bait and switch for paid product) and what I maintain was made arbitrarily at a time when no one suggested "hey...how come we can train proficiency with premium vehicles but in wot and wows I need to pay much sweat and tears?  please fix persha!"  Unless you can point me to that post hoom?

 

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hoom #29 Posted 09 February 2019 - 12:31 AM

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Well I wasn't here until after 2.0 (except a handful of battles to get the Beta plane) & when I was first trying to get my head around the retraining mechanics I was initially shocked & appalled so I can understand a similar initial response from those around when it changed.

 

But when you understand whats going on its actually a great setup.


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