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CorvusCorvax #1 Posted 05 February 2019 - 03:29 AM

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I have a premium plane.  (Doesn't matter which one, just matters that it's a premium for the purposes of this discussion.)

 

I go and find a pilot for it - not the pilot it came with, with zero skills and training.  I steal the pilot from another aircraft (but of the same country - only pilots of the same country can fly airplanes of that country.)  I go fly a flight.

 

OK, this pilot is not trained for this aircraft, but it's a premium, so that means his skills aren't penalized for flying it.  Now here comes the question:

 

What happens to the pilot experience I get when I fly a battle with this pilot in this plane?  Does he accrue it just like he would in the plane for which he is trained?  Or does that experience just evaporate?

 

I apologize for asking this again - the warning that I get that the pilot experience doesn't advance when not trained for this plane confuses me when it comes to premiums.

 

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Reitousair #2 Posted 05 February 2019 - 03:38 AM

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Pilot experience on premiums works just like they were trained for said aircraft, for example I occasionally do daily runs running my Sea Hawk pilot through the Meteor Mk.I and Mustang IA.

 

Now, if your pilot is not fully trained for their current aircraft, then to my knowledge they get 0 XP, even on prems. So make sure you're putting 100% pilots on your prems!

 

 


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Bobby_Tables #3 Posted 05 February 2019 - 04:00 AM

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View PostReitousair, on 04 February 2019 - 09:38 PM, said:

Pilot experience on premiums works just like they were trained for said aircraft, for example I occasionally do daily runs running my Sea Hawk pilot through the Meteor Mk.I and Mustang IA.

 

Now, if your pilot is not fully trained for their current aircraft, then to my knowledge they get 0 XP, even on prems. So make sure you're putting 100% pilots on your prems!

 

 

 

So that brings up another question that has vexed me:

 

Say I use your example and I take a pilot 100% trained on, for example, the Sea Hawk and drop them into my Meteor Mk I and play a few battles.  Now, the pilot is 100% trained for the Sea Hawk, but not 100% trained for the Meteor.  What happens to the experience gained?  Does it go toward the Meteor proficiency or to the pilot skills?  

 

That stuff confuses the heck out of me which is why I have an individual pilot for each plane.  Very inefficient, but for the life of me, this premium experience thing is confusing as heck.  


Edited by Bobby_Tables, 05 February 2019 - 04:01 AM.


Reitousair #4 Posted 05 February 2019 - 04:07 AM

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View PostBobby_Tables, on 04 February 2019 - 09:00 PM, said:

 

Say I use your example and I take a pilot 100% trained on, for example, the Sea Hawk and drop them into my Meteor Mk I and play a few battles.  Now, the pilot is 100% trained for the Sea Hawk, but not 100% trained for the Meteor.  What happens to the experience gained?  Does it go toward the Meteor proficiency or to the pilot skills?  

 

 

Your pilot will gain no proficiency towards the Meteor Mk.I, they will remain proficient in the Sea Hawk exclusively. Instead all of the XP goes straight to their skills.


Edited by Reitousair, 05 February 2019 - 04:07 AM.

I do fly Chinese aircraft a fair amount so... *ahem*

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I even made a custom skin for my IL-10M!

 


Bobby_Tables #5 Posted 05 February 2019 - 04:08 AM

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View PostReitousair, on 04 February 2019 - 10:07 PM, said:

 

Your pilot will gain no proficiency towards the Meteor Mk.I, they will remain proficient in the Sea Hawk exclusively. Instead all of the XP goes straight to their skills.

 

Thanks for the fast response.  Dammit!  I have been doing it all wrong.  Then again, I knew that ages ago.  

Dru83 #6 Posted 05 February 2019 - 04:09 AM

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Bobby, the xp would go toward the pilot's next skill. I don't do it that often, but switching a 100% trained pilot on a tech tree plane with a pilot in a premium plane is a standard thing. That way, if you have the accelerate crew training box checked, they'll get all the xp while flying the premium plane; both the plane's xp and the crew xp will go to the pilot. Just remember to switch them back the next time you fly the tech tree plane so you can have the benefit of the skills you've chosen to work with that tech tree plane.

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View PostReitousair, on 04 February 2019 - 07:38 PM, said:

Now, if your pilot is not fully trained for their current aircraft, then to my knowledge they get 0 XP, even on prems. So make sure you're putting 100% pilots on your prems!

 

Actually, I believe if you put an less than 100% pilot into a premium aircraft, the exp earned is put onto his skills... even tho the exp bar has a lock on it.

 

You just can't access his skill points until he's back to 100%.


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 Actually, I believe if you put an less than 100% pilot into a premium aircraft, the exp earned is put onto his skills... even tho the exp bar has a lock on it.

 Yeah I think that is how it works, no progress on Proficiency of the Trained aircraft but goes to the Skills.


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Since I just finished the grind to P-47B I've had the opportunity to test this out:

Incompletely retrained pilot has 1909XP to complete his Proficiency, 77942XP to next skill point

 

Put him in XP-55, ok battle earned 12090 Pilot XP

 

Still has 1909XP to complete Proficiency but now 65852XP to next skill.

77942-12090 = 65852

(still in XP-55 in this pic -> greyed out Proficiency bar)


Edited by hoom, 05 February 2019 - 01:58 PM.

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Reitousair #10 Posted 05 February 2019 - 04:31 PM

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View PostCenotaph, on 04 February 2019 - 09:16 PM, said:

 

Actually, I believe if you put an less than 100% pilot into a premium aircraft, the exp earned is put onto his skills... even tho the exp bar has a lock on it.

 

You just can't access his skill points until he's back to 100%.

 

View Posthoom, on 05 February 2019 - 06:56 AM, said:

Since I just finished the grind to P-47B I've had the opportunity to test this out:

Incompletely retrained pilot has 1909XP to complete his Proficiency, 77942XP to next skill point

 

 

Put him in XP-55, ok battle earned 12090 Pilot XP

 

 

Still has 1909XP to complete Proficiency but now 65852XP to next skill.

77942-12090 = 65852

 

 

Hmm, it seems I was wrong. Well, thanks you two for setting that bit straight!

I do fly Chinese aircraft a fair amount so... *ahem*

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I even made a custom skin for my IL-10M!

 


Booze_Morgan #11 Posted 05 February 2019 - 05:29 PM

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Freakin' gads. My head...

 

OK, so you put a 100% techie in a premium, you get PILOT skill points that go toward another skill, not proficiency in a plane since he is 100% anyway.

 

You put a 90% techie in a premium, you get ... what?  Is it 90% of the skill points you would have gotten if he were a 100% pilot, and still zero proficiency in a plane?

 

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View PostBooze_Morgan, on 05 February 2019 - 09:29 AM, said:

You put a 90% techie in a premium, you get ... what?  Is it 90% of the skill points you would have gotten if he were a 100% pilot, and still zero proficiency in a plane?

 

 

No, you still get 100% of the exp applied to your skills.
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CorvusCorvax #13 Posted 06 February 2019 - 01:44 AM

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Well, if nothing else, you all have made me feel better.  I am glad I'm not the only one who has scratched my head over this.

 

Thanks for the replies, I did learn something useful here.



wylleEcoyote #14 Posted 06 February 2019 - 05:58 PM

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Ok here it is.

If you have a Tech tree airplane...
... you place a crew into it. And then you can fly it about making personal points.
At the end of the match these points are run through an equation that determines how much experience points have been earned.

Those experience points are placed in 2 separate pools.
  • One pool is for "the Plane"
  • One pool is for "The Crew"

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If you Use a Premium plane..
... you place a crew into it. And then you can fly it about making personal points.

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At the end of the match these points are run through an equation that determines how much experience points have been earned.
You still get the two pools but almost all of the grind is skipped.

Those experience points are placed in 2 separate pools.

One pool is for "the Plane"


The other pool is for "the Crew"
 

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That you can skip straight to dumping ALL of your various Experience gains straight into your Crew Skills is the Fastest way to Level up your Crew. (outside of using "Free" Experience) Once again; Juuust in case i need to spell this out for a Newb 


Edited by wylleEcoyote, 06 February 2019 - 07:44 PM.

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Bubba_Zanetti #15 Posted 06 February 2019 - 07:12 PM

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Historical poasts (sample):

 

http://forum.worldof...486#entry704486

 

http://forum.worldof...ng-on-premiums/

 

 

 

http://forum.worldof...emium-aircraft/
 

View PostMagusGerhardt, on 16 June 2016 - 12:07 PM, said:

So.  Here's the deal.

 

I purchase premium aircraft here for the same reasons I purchase premium tanks and premium ships.  To make credits and train crew.  They can also generate convertible xp, but I always use that xp to accelerate my crew training.

 

Now, since patch 1.9.5 premium aircraft can NO LONGER increase base proficiency training.  This represents a major change in product that I have paid money for and I am displeased to say the least.  It's nothing short of bait and switch to change the base functionality of something I have already paid for like this.

 

Return base proficiency training ability to Warplanes premiums at the earliest convenience.  Not next development cycle; not "soon".  Begin work on it now.

 

View Postpyantoryng, on 16 June 2016 - 12:23 PM, said:

No amount of bonus experience is going to make up for the inability to train proficiency in premium planes.

 

Worse, no rationale was given for it, either.

 

View Posthonorabili, on 16 June 2016 - 12:30 PM, said:

It's something they need to fix back to how it was.

 

 

 

This is why we can't trust these two companies, nor should we invest or contribute to them monetarily...they seem to have lost/or maybe they never understood, who and what their clients are to them.  Go develop a POS non-pvp/competitive flying game in the food line Ivan and company while you continually tweak moronic crap because you're directionless...please for the love of the great spaghetti monster fire this company already WG!


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Its a very small price to pay for only 10k XP to retrain to full Proficiency regardless of the Skill level of your Pilot.

In WoWS for example it gets up to something like 500K XP just to retrain your Captain to a new ship.

 


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View Posthoom, on 06 February 2019 - 03:15 PM, said:

Its a very small price to pay for only 10k XP to retrain to full Proficiency regardless of the Skill level of your Pilot.

In WoWS for example it gets up to something like 500K XP just to retrain your Captain to a new ship.

 

 

 

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View PostTHEMARCO1979, on 16 June 2016 - 10:29 AM, said:

I dont disagree with your suggestion, I just don't understand the reasoning behind it, why not just fly a few battles in the original plane, get the pilot proficiency up to 100%, then switch over to premium?  Am I missing something?

View PostMagusGerhardt, on 16 June 2016 - 12:31 PM, said:

 

Yes.  You missed the fact that training up on the tech tree plane was unnecessary until now.  That's the "Big Deal."

 


 

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View PostBubba_Zanetti, on 06 February 2019 - 12:25 PM, said:

 

Amen. That unfortunate change has caused an effective increase in plane price by a maximum of 200,000 credits, or 1000 gold, to buy a crew that can hit the broadside of a barn, and can fly the plane half competently, and(in the case of a gunner) actually know how to keep a gun firing a constant stream and not jamming up every two seconds.

 

Going without at least a 90% crew on pretty much any plane in the game is an awful grind by default.

 

 


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That in no way counters the point:

We get to retrain to 90% for Silver leaving only 10K crew XP to finish off the retraining of a Pilot to 100% on a new plane regardless of his skill points.

That is absolutely miniscule (a few battles max & more than a few times I've done it in 1) compared to what we have to go through for high skill Crew retraining in WoT or WoWS where the Silver retraining is only 75% and 50% respectively and the XP required scales on the logarithmic scale along with the Crew Skill so eg a 19pt WoWS Captain has to grind 500,000XP to retrain, either purely in Premium ships or without Skills in the ship you're trying to retrain to, its insane.

 

You guys are flat out completely wrong to be against that.

 

I'd absolutely love WG to apply the same system to the other titles.


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View Posthoom, on 06 February 2019 - 08:15 PM, said:

Its a very small price to pay for only 10k XP to retrain to full Proficiency regardless of the Skill level of your Pilot.

In WoWS for example it gets up to something like 500K XP just to retrain your Captain to a new ship.

 

 That will change with new update. WoWS is allowing FREE movement  for Commander skills to offset the changes in gameplay. Nice the way they treat sailors. See notes on Launcher.






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