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White_Widow18 #21 Posted 18 February 2019 - 09:21 PM

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View PostCaptain_Underpants53, on 18 February 2019 - 09:18 AM, said:

I have accumulated that billion while buying many planes. I don't really know how much I would have if I had not been buying stuff.  I now am up to 249 aircraft.  The economy, as blindfold puts it, has two variables.  Outgo and income.  While it is true, as he says, that the cost for repairs has not increased, it is also true, as he doesn't say, that the income has been nerfed.

 

I've not noticed a change since I started playing, but that's only since last October hehe

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View PostblindfoId, on 18 February 2019 - 01:51 AM, said:

There were no changes in the economy since update 2.0.7, but even this update didn't introduce any changes to repair costs. If you are sure that there's a problem with charges please report it in detail so I can send the information to the developers team to take a look at it. 

 

Look, before you "balanced" the economy, credits were alot easier to come by... here's what I mean by "double dipping"

 

 

Prior to the update, your battle details would say something along the lines of "50,000 credits earned.... 20,000 spent on repairs... 8000 spent on resupply"

 

And how that translated to our wallets was as 50,000 profit, AFTER repairs and resupply.

 

After your "economy balance"... you earn 50,000 and then actually pay the 20,000 repairs, and 8000 resupply.

 

Leaving the player with 22,000 actual profit.

 

 

Before your "balance"... losing credits at tier 8 was pretty much impossible... after, get ready to lose credits.

 

 

One of my clan mates did an experiment... brand new account, no premium, no codes. The purpose being to test your economy "balance"

 

This player proceeded to win 85-90% of their matches, and outperform nearly EVERY SINGLE PLAYER ON THE SERVER... guess how "easy" is was to buy equipment, or specialize planes?

 

Newsflash... they could barely afford to buy the next plane in the line, let alone equip or specialize them, until around tier 8.

 

Think about that, a player performing at top 10 Hall of Fame levels is BARELY ABLE TO AFFORD TO PLAY.

 

 

I get it, you guys are trying to make more money, and chose to make the game harder to grind... that's fine.

 

But when you straight up lie to our faces, and seem to have no clue how things actually work in the game... it totally destroys any trust in your competence.

 

Things like this are why I give you such a hard time when you (and Priolia) say irresponsible things like...

 

"We are too busy and important to bother to play the game properly, we just give ourselves everything we need for testing"

 

Or, Priolia saying "The new equipment upgrading system is very fun, on our internal server, with unlimited materials" when people expressed dislike over the "must win" condition.

 

Speaking of "must win" for materials... you guys have been "looking into it" for long enough... start DOING something.

 


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View PostCenotaph, on 20 February 2019 - 08:21 PM, said:

 

Look, before you "balanced" the economy, credits were alot easier to come by... here's what I mean by "double dipping"

 

 

Prior to the update, your battle details would say something along the lines of "50,000 credits earned.... 20,000 spent on repairs... 8000 spent on resupply"

 

And how that translated to our wallets was as 50,000 profit, AFTER repairs and resupply.

 

After your "economy balance"... you earn 50,000 and then actually pay the 20,000 repairs, and 8000 resupply.

 

Leaving the player with 22,000 actual profit.

 

 

Before your "balance"... losing credits at tier 8 was pretty much impossible... after, get ready to lose credits.

 

 

One of my clan mates did an experiment... brand new account, no premium, no codes. The purpose being to test your economy "balance"

 

This player proceeded to win 85-90% of their matches, and outperform nearly EVERY SINGLE PLAYER ON THE SERVER... guess how "easy" is was to buy equipment, or specialize planes?

 

Newsflash... they could barely afford to buy the next plane in the line, let alone equip or specialize them, until around tier 8.

 

Think about that, a player performing at top 10 Hall of Fame levels is BARELY ABLE TO AFFORD TO PLAY.

 

 

I get it, you guys are trying to make more money, and chose to make the game harder to grind... that's fine.

 

But when you straight up lie to our faces, and seem to have no clue how things actually work in the game... it totally destroys any trust in your competence.

 

 

 

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View PostCenotaph, on 20 February 2019 - 07:21 PM, said:

 

Look, before you "balanced" the economy, credits were alot easier to come by... here's what I mean by "double dipping"

 

 

Prior to the update, your battle details would say something along the lines of "50,000 credits earned.... 20,000 spent on repairs... 8000 spent on resupply"

 

And how that translated to our wallets was as 50,000 profit, AFTER repairs and resupply.

 

After your "economy balance"... you earn 50,000 and then actually pay the 20,000 repairs, and 8000 resupply.

 

Leaving the player with 22,000 actual profit.

 

 

Before your "balance"... losing credits at tier 8 was pretty much impossible... after, get ready to lose credits.

 

 

One of my clan mates did an experiment... brand new account, no premium, no codes. The purpose being to test your economy "balance"

 

This player proceeded to win 85-90% of their matches, and outperform nearly EVERY SINGLE PLAYER ON THE SERVER... guess how "easy" is was to buy equipment, or specialize planes?

 

Newsflash... they could barely afford to buy the next plane in the line, let alone equip or specialize them, until around tier 8.

 

Think about that, a player performing at top 10 Hall of Fame levels is BARELY ABLE TO AFFORD TO PLAY.

 

 

I get it, you guys are trying to make more money, and chose to make the game harder to grind... that's fine.

 

But when you straight up lie to our faces, and seem to have no clue how things actually work in the game... it totally destroys any trust in your competence.

 

Things like this are why I give you such a hard time when you (and Priolia) say irresponsible things like...

 

"We are too busy and important to bother to play the game properly, we just give ourselves everything we need for testing"

 

Or, Priolia saying "The new equipment upgrading system is very fun, on our internal server, with unlimited materials" when people expressed dislike over the "must win" condition.

 

Speaking of "must win" for materials... you guys have been "looking into it" for long enough... start DOING something.

 

 

:medal:  Yeppers, exactly right.  They changed the economy.  Note how Blindfold says "it hasn't changed since 2.0.7"  I think that was when the silver earnings were hit with the solid lead nerf bat.  

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View PostCenotaph, on 21 February 2019 - 04:21 AM, said:

 

Look, before you "balanced" the economy, credits were alot easier to come by... here's what I mean by "double dipping"

 

 

Prior to the update, your battle details would say something along the lines of "50,000 credits earned.... 20,000 spent on repairs... 8000 spent on resupply"

 

And how that translated to our wallets was as 50,000 profit, AFTER repairs and resupply.

 

After your "economy balance"... you earn 50,000 and then actually pay the 20,000 repairs, and 8000 resupply.

 

 

I agree that the information in the battle results is much more confusing at the current moment than it was before the changes, and I also agree that it requires more details. As far as I know in the nearest updates there're no plans to change it but I'll forward your feedback to the responsible team as well as the feedback on current income as you provided nicely put and vivid example. 

 

 

I would really appreciate it if you could provide me with examples of that lies of mine which you are continually pointing out. As I never said none of that things:

View PostCenotaph, on 21 February 2019 - 04:21 AM, said:

Things like this are why I give you such a hard time when you (and Priolia) say irresponsible things like...

 

And never hid any information regarding economy changes. At least because there's no point in it as economy changes in 2.0.7 were mentioned in the patchnotes.

 

P.S. I play on the standard CIS server and have an ordinary account there, where I need to enhance equipment, earn materials, XP and credits like any other pilot. 

 



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View PostblindfoId, on 21 February 2019 - 02:18 AM, said:

I would really appreciate it if you could provide me with examples of that lies of mine which you are continually pointing out. As I never said none of that things:

 

Look, I'm not about to search through all your posts to prove something I -know- you said. (And you know it, too)

 

We both know that when you first joined the NA forum I frequently accused you and Priolia of being the same person... largely in part to the position you both held about proper testing.

(Kinda interesting that Priolia hasn't said ANYTHING, even on her personal Discord, since about a week after Sonic detonated the WoWP Discord... and you took your his job)

 

Both of you plainly said (and I may be paraphrasing a very small amount here) "The devs are far too busy (and important) to play the game properly for testing purposes, we just give ourselves everything we need"

 

If you can't even own your own words.... what is the point in trusting ANYTHING you have to say?

 

 

And as far as "lies", you're doing it right now... YOUR COMPANY screwed up the economy, players can tell, and perhaps if you guys ACTUALLY PLAYED the game... you could, too.

 

Sitting here trying to act like you guys DIDN'T gut the economy in 2.0.7 is a LIE... or, you are so terribly uninformed, that you really have no business talking to players.

 

 

View PostblindfoId, on 21 February 2019 - 02:18 AM, said:

I agree that the information in the battle results is much more confusing at the current moment than it was before the changes, and I also agree that it requires more details. As far as I know in the nearest updates there're no plans to change it but I'll forward your feedback to the responsible team as well as the feedback on current income as you provided nicely put and vivid example.

 

I love how you completely try to sidestep the fact that in my examples, the "current" model leaves a player with more than 50% LESS credit income...

 

Pretty sure 22,000 is LESS THAN 50,000... or do numbers mean something different where you are from?

 

That sure seems like an economy nerf to me, and everyone else paying attention.

 

It's also pretty interesting that you have nothing to say about one of the absolute very best players on the server proving that you guys gutted the economy.

 


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View PostCenotaph, on 21 February 2019 - 10:03 AM, said:

 

Look, I'm not about to search through all your posts to prove something I -know- you said. (And you know it, too)

 

And here is the basis of your problem.  You make an accusation, decide that either that accusation is so blindingly obvious that anyone with two brain cells to rub together should believe you, or that the accusation requires no proof and no substantiation and the fact that you've made the accusation obviously being proof enough. 

 

Hint. If you want to take the time to write a post and go after one of the admins (or anyone else for that matter) which, as far as I know do this for free, put in the work necessary to substantiate your accusations, that is, if you want or expect anyone else to believe you.  Without that, all you're doing is spewing hot air and whatever else you say from that point onwards is just so much flatulence.   

 

 


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View Postdano149, on 17 February 2019 - 12:08 PM, said:

WHY AM I SOMETIMES LOSING CREDITS AFTER PLAYING A MATCH THEY R TAKING WAY TO MANY CREDITS AWAY FOR REPAIRS ETC.... FORCING PEOPLE TO PAY TO MOVE FOWARD IN THE GAME IS WRONG...NOT HAPPY..USED TO BE ABLE TO GAIN CREDITS AND UPGRADE PLANES BY NEW PLANES JUST BY PLAYING GAME ..THIS BOTHERING ANYONE ELSE?

 

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View PostCenotaph, on 21 February 2019 - 01:03 PM, said:

 

It's also pretty interesting that you have nothing to say about one of the absolute very best players on the server proving that you guys gutted the economy.

 

 

i wouldn't have guessed that 'one of the absolute very best players', of which you certainly are, would be having money problems?

 

those darn one percenters...   let's get together and figure out a way to take 70% of his income and redistribute it out to the rest of us?

 

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View Posttrikke, on 23 February 2019 - 06:10 AM, said:

 

i wouldn't have guessed that 'one of the absolute very best players', of which you certainly are, would be having money problems?

 

those darn one percenters...   let's get together and figure out a way to take 70% of his income and redistribute it out to the rest of us?

 

"i'm running for president of wowp, and i'm asking for your vote"

 

Dude, I'm a scrub... no, really... I have -no- idea what I'm doing, I just like to shoot things. My gameplay is more mistakes, than proper plays.

 

When I say one of the very best, I mean someone on the Top 10 list, that can take a brand new account, play 1000 battles and get -it- on the top 10 was well...

 

85%+ WR... still can barely afford upgrading planes...

 

 

 

 

View PostBB3_Oregon_Steel, on 22 February 2019 - 05:28 PM, said:

 which, as far as I know do this for free

 

You legitimately think they work for free? And you fault -my- assumptions?      :teethhappy:

 

Newsflash: blindfoid works for the Ukraine Minsk office, because WG FIRED ALL THE NA STAFF...

 

You seem to have less clue what you are talking about than you accuse me of...

 

Here's your link, BB3... have a look for yourself and see the kind of mental gymnastics these people will do to worm out from under the truth, when they get caught in a mistake.

 

Unless you are among the minority that thinks it was acceptable for a "Weekend ratings event" to end not at 4am Monday, as per usual, but instead went till 4pm.

 

Anyone worth speaking to will see this for what it is, an honest accident, where someone at WG got confused and made a mistake.

 

But, we have 2 WG employees, including the one currently in question, attacking players and trying to invent reasons why it wasn't their fault.

 

http://forum.worldofwarplanes.com/index.php?/topic/53424-hello-pilots-cm-is-on-board-do-you-copy/page__pid__742777#entry742777


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View PostCenotaph, on 23 February 2019 - 01:27 PM, said:

 

Dude, I'm a scrub... no, really... I have -no- idea what I'm doing, I just like to shoot things. My gameplay is more mistakes, than proper plays.

 

When I say one of the very best, I mean someone on the Top 10 list, that can take a brand new account, play 1000 battles and get -it- on the top 10 was well...

 

85%+ WR... still can barely afford upgrading planes...

 

 

 

 

 

You legitimately think they work for free? And you fault -my- assumptions?      :teethhappy:

 

Newsflash: blindfoid works for the Ukraine office, because WG FIRED ALL THE NA STAFF...

 

I thought blindfold was in Belarus?

 

And this wg na firing, sonicpariah?  I didn't get any of the backstory..link please?

 


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View PostBubba_Zanetti, on 23 February 2019 - 10:37 AM, said:

 

I thought blindfold was in Belarus?

 

And this wg na firing, sonicpariah?  I didn't get any of the backstory..link please?

 

 

I suppose that is possible... I assumed Ukraine because that is Persha's home base.

 

View PostblindfoId, on 23 July 2018 - 02:45 AM, said:

Yeah, from Minsk (: But anyway we here have more opportunities to keep in touch with game designers, you know, and to react faster. Same timezone and etc.

Thank you!

That solves that...

 

As for links, dunno if I can find em, but you can see evidence on Sonic' twitter, assuming it still exists.  (Corroborating Images sent via PM)

 

About the same time blindfoid showed up as an "assistant CM" Sonic posted a pic of the WGTX WOWP office, totally empty, with the caption "Last person left working on my side of the office"

 
Spoiler
 

About a 5 weeks later, he posted "What a great day to be unemployed"

 

And he was blindsided by this, because literally the DAY BEFORE, one of my clan mates had lunch with him in Austin, and he did NOT see it coming.

 

Then, a short time after that, he deleted the WGATX Discord...

 

About the same time the NA WoT CM "made the decision" to step away from his job...

 

And then Weakie stepped down from being the EU CM... because WG decided that there only needs to be Russian support staff...


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oh no...  that cannot be good news    ty for the info

 

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Just to point out.. I don't think we actually have a moderator or CS at all on the weekends as I've never seen one post or do anything on the weekends.

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View PostWhite_Widow18, on 24 February 2019 - 02:59 PM, said:

Just to point out.. I don't think we actually have a moderator or CS at all on the weekends as I've never seen one post or do anything on the weekends.

 

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Cenotaph I appreciate your involvement very much but it seems that for some reason you misinterpret my posts. I will gladly repeat my answer regarding your original topic once again.

 

1. There have not been any changes in the economics since update 2.0.7.

2. I have never denied these changes and they all are listed in the patchnotes

3. Still, there have been no changes in the repairs cost. 

4. You provided a nicely put and vivid example of current incomes and I passed your feedback along to the developers (as I mentioned before but you for some reason considered that I ignored it).

 

As for the rest of your thoughts, I will repeat myself (as it was said in the thread you are referring to): "If you do have complaints about the way I personally communicate, you are welcome to express your opinion to help me to reconsider my answers and the way of interaction. Send me a message please." I would really appreciate it if you could provide me with your feedback. 

 

Also, I would like to remind you that this thread is dedicated to the discussion of March of Nations. Please refrain from the not-related discussions and off-topic. You are always welcome to express your opinion and ask for any help that I can provide you with in the related threads. I am always here for you and open to discussions. On weekends as well if you have an issue which requires an emergency. Still, I would really appreciate it if you could follow the rules of communication on the forum. Thank you and have a nice day! :honoring:



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BF, i have to tell you...  i've never seen such professional answers to prickly, emotionally charged questions before, like we see here from you

 

please forward this thread to your direct manager, or hang onto it to present it during your yearly review

 

 


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BB3_Oregon_Steel #39 Posted 26 February 2019 - 09:37 PM

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View Posttrikke, on 25 February 2019 - 03:14 AM, said:

BF, i have to tell you...  i've never seen such professional answers to prickly, emotionally charged questions before, like we see here from you

 

please forward this thread to your direct manager, or hang onto it to present it during your yearly review

 

 

 

I'm with Trikke on this one.  I've dug into some of your interactions with the members here including a link to an earlier thread Cenotaph provided as an example of how WG was mistreating players and forum members. 

 

What I saw is that there were probably some missteps on the part of a WG employee on a Discord channel that were probably ill conceived which was taken and broadly applied by certain individuals into a "sky is falling" kind of event.  What impressed me the most was the professionalism which you displayed in all of your responses, an attitude of wanting and trying to help even those who quite obviously are not greatly interested in solutions but are more into venting their ire over any and all issues they can lock on to whether those issues are real or imaginary.

 

You should be complimented for the manner you have attempted to handle all of this burning twirling dumpster fire that you've walked into.  I have no doubt that somewhere in the past someone(s) on WG staff did a major faceplant here in this game and while it's probably a bit inevitable, it's also not fair for you personally to be saddled by all that, whatever it was.  Thanks for coming here and taking on what has to be a difficult situation that is not of your making. 

 

One word of advice that I have to give, which you probably already is aware of, is there is little distinction between "official" pronouncements through "official" channels and comments made in public by WG employees about the game regardless of which channel they use.  If a WG employee says something, people are going to treat whatever is being said as being "official" and representative of WG's views.  There's really no way around that one.  

 

If a WG employee doesn't understand that concept then they should be encouraged to not talk/post/tweet about the game or WG in any of their communications until they figure that out. Their personal opinions are going to land on your doorstep to try and defend even when said employee has firmly inserted their foot into their mouth and there is no adequate defense. 

 

Sorry for all the flames and angst around here and my hope that you can help sort out all of the garbage and get down to the key issues that really need to be resolved. 

 

Ok, back on topic.  This has been a nice little event, after all who can say no to 50% off aircraft.  The bonuses for playing planes of a particular nationality has also been welcome. 

 

What would have been extra nice would have been the release of a few premium airplanes here and there to add a bit more energy to the event.  

 

I'm also looking forward to seeing some additional major events which show that WG is still working on this title.  The Christmas event was nice as was Flaming Shores which were events which caught my eye and convinced me that this wasn't a dying title.  I think more work in that direction would be helpful. 

 

 


Edited by BB3_Oregon_Steel, 27 February 2019 - 09:01 PM.

"Don't mess with me because I can squish you like a bug, that is If I should decide to notice your existence in the first place".  

 

Yes, it's haughty and its arrogant but you're a battleship with 16 inch guns and Britannia Rules the Waves.  Maybe a bit of arrogance in this case is appropriate.  


Postal_Monkey #40 Posted 28 February 2019 - 12:10 PM

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View PostContent_WG, on 31 January 2019 - 03:53 PM, said:

From February 2 till March 8, enjoy generous discounts on aircraft from five nations in World of Warplanes. Check the timetable and make good use of our special offers in the game or Premium Shop!
<a href="https://worldofwarplanes.com/news/march-of-nations-feb-2019/">Full news text</a>

 

I believe todays post on WoWp page should reference U/K however it states USSR...




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