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[legoboy0401]

TankNoob1960, on 31 January 2019 - 05:41 PM, said:

 

Yes!

As soon  as you buy it with 5 tokens, you can "activate the missions"..

Then you have ONLY 4 days to complete ALL 30 of them...

What a joke..imho

 

Gunny

 

Well, I guess I probably ain't cut out for a Tier VIII plane anyways, but the missions are within my token price range. It's good to know that they are impossible, and that they have such a short amount of time to be completed in. It's a shame, though, because I feel like it'll be a very rare plane outside of these missions for a while.

 

Good to know that they ain't worth wastin' a single token on.

[hoom]

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 Dang, looks like it has 13,15's and 30mm.  So short, medium, and long.  

 Yeah, 2*13mm, 2*15mm & 2*30mm mk 103.

Thats not nearly so nasty as the previously suggested 4*20mm & 2*30mm.

[TankNoob1960]

legoboy0401, on 31 January 2019 - 06:31 PM, said:

Good to know that they ain't worth wastin' a single token on.

 

That is up to you to decide for yourself.

I am not a heavy fighter kinda guy anyway (Me262 and P38 are my only ones)

Stuck on mission #4 already so I won't worry about it.

The rankings thing is much more interesting as I am currently in the top 15 on the T5-T7 arena..

 

Have a good weekend,

Gunny

[legoboy0401]

TankNoob1960, on 31 January 2019 - 09:05 PM, said:

 

That is up to you to decide for yourself.

I am not a heavy fighter kinda guy anyway (Me262 and P38 are my only ones)

Stuck on mission #4 already so I won't worry about it.

The rankings thing is much more interesting as I am currently in the top 15 on the T5-T7 arena..

 

Have a good weekend,

Gunny

 

I like Heavy Fighters. However, I am less interested in ones that also feature machine guns. (defeats the point)

[CorvusCorvax]

legoboy0401, on 01 February 2019 - 05:11 AM, said:

 

I like Heavy Fighters. However, I am less interested in ones that also feature machine guns. (defeats the point)

 

The Do335 is one of the best HFs in the game.  Just sayin'.

[GonerNL]

TankNoob1960, on 01 February 2019 - 12:54 AM, said:

30 difficult missions in 4 days including the ACE, Marseille, and other medals.

This is nothing more than a cash grab.

 

Yes, cash grab ...
You may skip several operations or the whole chain of operations by purchasing certificates in the Premium Shop.

 

Funny thing is ; no certificates in the shop ... so with a bit of luck, you can not even finish this with certificates.

 

 

[Krautjaeger]

So, since there's a 250-bundle of certificates as max in the store is that the price if you just want to skip right to flying it or?

[CorvusCorvax]

Krautjaeger, on 01 February 2019 - 10:21 PM, said:

So, since there's a 250-bundle of certificates as max in the store is that the price if you just want to skip right to flying it or?

Yes, that is the case.  You can buy the op order for 5 tokens, and you get 4 days.  You can extend your time by 96 hours (4 days) if you pay another 3 tokens.  You can buy off some or all of the missions with cerificates, and if you have certs left over, they pay out at 63 gold per cert.

[Twindwarfs]

Just finished the grind and luckily I got another ace on her first flight. Definitely a good one. Reliable cannons, with almost useless machine guns, lol. Great speed and boost. Maneuverability is not great but just enough to aim. Personally I don't think it is as powerful as XP-58 but I like it better than pancake and Me 262. I don't have Do 335 and P.1056 so I can't make a comparison.

[wylleEcoyote]

Funny that you mention the Chain Lightning vs the BV P.203.  I see an interesting co-relation.

Like the XP-58; the BV P.203  is (by all accounts I can find) first and foremost a high alt interceptor of large multi-engine aircraft.
(or anything else that blunders in front of its guns) 
It basically should have no business going low unless there is nothing else for it to shoot.
Even then it should pick its targets with care.

A fresh out of the shipping crate BV seems competitive (if you know what your doin) with a tricked out XP-58.
only instead of being agile it has not one but two extra jet engines instead.
BV P.203 may be worth getting IF you really like to B&Z
 

Spoiler

Both have very situational turrets that appear to be afterthoughts.
(but with the right skill selection that is not necessarily the case)

The forward guns on the BV P.203 hit about 80% as hard as the XP-58 (and that is pretty hard)
But that fire power can shoot well beyond the  low 500 meters (600~ish with ultimate gear) maximum that the p-58 gets. 
And while a P-58 Needs MM2 AND a gun sight  to reliably hit (and delete) the narrow side of a barn at its max range
the BV most certainly does not.

While the BV has Jet Engines for an extra 100 kph of get up and go. (and better stall speed and climb rate as well)
An Xp-58 has been dealing with jets for as long as it has been out.
As such a turn build XP-58 is viable enough to surprise some MultiRoles in tier 8. 
(besides its not going to out- run/climb/dive the BV so relying on superior roll/turn rate will be key.

Basically the first one to see the other (all of a sudden, Vigilance and Eagle Eye become Real Important )
should gain sufficient advantage to end the fight in one pass. Unless they screw up the approach..
whether its a 1v1, or a messy furball.

Final Note: the xp-58 has Always been kinda crap.
unless you get a crew with a minimum of 6 points and your gear is advanced or better
then it gets competitive really fast. 
I dont know if this is the case with the BV.
Maybe Engine Guru is just as important for the German Heavy as Marksman is for the American Heavy

 

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Comparing a Dornier 335 is somewhat more nuanced.

Spoiler

 the Dornier climbs better. Dives better. but is otherwise slower.
The Do.335 is easily twice as agile in a turn. Vertical or Horizontal.
It carries less than half the guns but has twice the effective range.

And finally the Do 335 has optional tier 10 ordinance.
Used effectively, it is brutal. Only balanced by a painfully long reload and and airspeed nerf.
Addressing the airspeed nerf makes the reload even more painful.
Addressing the reload speed will either hurt your potential Airspeed or your potential Agility

THe BV however is faster in a straight line.
with considerably Moar Firepower at medium to close ranges.
And has a turret.
No ordinance though. Not that it really is designed for it.

Basically the Do 335 is a low altitude schnell fighter/bomber that can drop its payload lower than treetop level and then 
hit the boost and effectively intercept an RB-17 in low earth orbit (and anything else not paying attention along the way).
 

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It may be more useful to compare it to the Me 262.
Both are FAST
Neither really turn well.
Both have good forward guns.
The big difference between them is that the BV has 30% more Hitpoints and a Turret.
While the Me has rockets and is a smaller target.

Spoiler

AN Me262 that sits behind a bomber (or flight of same) long enough to chew it to pieces will get catch all kinds of crits and fires from turrets.
Unless one is making use of the Rocketeer perk.
A 262 that instead keeps its speed up and swoops in at high angles of attack is going so fast that turrets cant lock on to it fast enough to do damage (unless the human is controlling a turret with a range enhancing equipment).
(does less damage though. its a trade off. This high risk/reward playstyle = #Balanced!)

Whereas the BV can leverage that Hitpoint advantage to loiter behind (most) things; even within their effective turret range, long enough to kill them and not worry too much about catching those critical hits.

Suuuure wylle. But what about that RB-17?
 The BV p.203 is Faster than an RB-17. At any altitude. In any direction.
I could be wrong about this but I think it bears saying that mounting Cockpit armor might even let you laugh at a 10+point tail gunner while feasting on that player's tears ... 

Edited by wylleEcoyote, 04 February 2019 - 09:26 AM.

[CorvusCorvax]

Oh, this thing is a beast all right.  Holy crud. When I get this thing specialized...

[CorvusCorvax]

Well, having flown it for a bit, I can tell you it totally rocks T8.

I was in a map with a central airbase, and flew in there while it was red.  It was just for a dine&dash on my way to a military base.  Fast plane, no high-altitude flak, nobody is going to bug me, and if I can, I'll zap a red plane or ADA while I'm passing through.

Well, some folks took exception to my incursion, and decided to follow.  An Me-209, a Tempest, and a SpitXIV.  All human.  

Well, I have all my boost plus engine cooling, so I aim myself 20 degrees above the horizon and stay just out of guns range, while I drag them over the neutral military base.  I notice that our guys have flipped the airbase, so now I am free to play my game.  I am high enough that both British planes aren't going to bug me, so I boost up at a 50-degree angle and get 1200m separation on the Me-209.  Split-S, dive on him, head-to-head.  The 30s make short work of him, and the capture clock is 1/3 blue.  As I pass through 2200m altitude, I see the Spit turning to run.  Engage at 600m separation, crit wing and tail, he's running 20% HP.  The Tempest is behind me and sends a little bit of 20mm love my way while I lift the nose and boost to 2800m, half-loop when I am 1500m out, and look for the Spit.  He's headed out of zone, and if I hurry, I can use his death to my advantage. Zap down at 900kph, and kill him, but just outside the zone.  The Tempest is too far away to hurt me, but I need both altitude and separation.  I burn the rest of my boost getting back up to 2500m, kick the engine cooling in and circle a little, to gain a little altitude and keep the Tempest in-zone.  We have both taken AA damage, and the ADA are getting a little pesky.  If he has rockets, a head on pass will end badly for me.  If not, he's mine.  The team is now well ahead in capture points, and if I did nothing else the whole battle, tying these guys up was worth it.  I see he's down there trying to climb up, and I also see he's slow.  Which means out of boost.   I wait for him to nose up again, give a count of three, and dive down on him.  He stalls out, gives me a giant planform to shoot, and ends up turning the capture clock three quarters blue.  After which, my dumb bot MRF dies in-zone, turning the clock to 1/3 blue again, grrrr.

Go back to the air base, heal up, climb back up to shoot down a bomber flight, and the game ends, with me at all of about 6500 points, and not even ranked.  This plane is great, but stuff happens fast at T8, and it is a support plane more than anything.  For anti-bomber work, no T8 plane is better, IMO.

[Cardinal604]

I just got the plane and noticed that the nose art that game with it has no Bonus ? Is this the case or is it a bug ?

[mikeyb17]

So first off I don't play WoWp as much as I would like. So some things need explaining to me ( sorry ) . Certificates for one. I saw that you could buy them and use them to do missions with the certificates. So I bought 200 . They show up no where and I firstly do not understand how to use them.  I've been to the missions in the "Store" and there is no way I can see how to use them to finish missions early . The B&V mission for one. I started one mission , the  XP-55 Mission. No way to use them. In my haste I used 3 of my 3 tokens to start the mission and finish the first two parts of the missions. But how in the world do you use the certificates ????? Thanks for any help at all.

 

Edited by mikeyb17, 15 February 2019 - 03:19 PM.

[hoom]

You can only use Certificates for certain Missions like the Bv P.203 but not the XP-55 one where its only Tokens.

 

You need to spend 5 Tokens to enable the Bv P.203 Operation Order: go to Supply Service (top left) and you should see it as a Special Offer, click there & then Receive button (costs 5 Tokens).

 

Then the missions will show up on the Operation Orders section of the Missions list & you'll be able to spend your Certificates to complete the sub-Missions there.

 

From recollection 200 isn't enough for all of them so read through the list & count out ones you can easily do yourself and which ones you definitely need to skip with Certificates so you don't wind up stuck with a hard mission & no Certificates left.

You only have 24hrs (I think) to complete the missions but can spend some more Tokens to extend by another 24hrs.

[poppavein]

IIRC, the BV 203 missions are for 4 days, renewing with tokens for another 4 days. 

 

What a mess .They need to reorganize this system.