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Twindwarfs #1 Posted 09 January 2019 - 07:15 PM

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In the last patch, they nerfed Pancake and TA 152, I would like to hear other people's opinion in this post.

 

It feels WG over-nerfed pancake. Me 262 and P.1056 have never been bad planes. They were just overshadowed by Pancake before the patch. Now with the nerf to maneuverability and guns, Pancake becomes lackluster in almost every aspect. It is still the easiest tier 8 heavy fighter to play though since Me 262 and P. 1056 need a lot of practice to master, especially their guns. Another 2 premiums XP-58 and Do 335 are always candidates for the best tier 8 HF and the best tier 8, well, "multirole". I don't think current Pancake matches their power either. 

 

TA-152 feels okay after the nerf. It still has great engine power and great altitude performance. But the guns are so inconsistent at long range. Compare it with I-211, both have 3 large caliber guns with the same rate of fire and the same range. I-211 guns just feel much more reliable. I know it's not fair to compare a tier 8 with a tier 9, less to say I-211 has tons of its own disadvantages. But if there is a chance I would like to trade some of the speed and altitude performance for better guns. 

 


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View PostSTJ_12, on 09 January 2019 - 07:15 PM, said:

In the last patch, they nerfed Pancake and TA 152, I would like to hear other people's opinion in this post.

 

It feels WG over-nerfed pancake. Me 262 and P.1056 have never been bad planes. They were just overshadowed by Pancake before the patch. Now with the nerf to maneuverability and guns, Pancake becomes lackluster in almost every aspect. It is still the easiest tier 8 heavy fighter to play though since Me 262 and P. 1056 need a lot of practice to master, especially their guns. Another 2 premiums XP-58 and Do 335 are always candidates for the best tier 8 HF and the best tier 8, well, "multirole". I don't think current Pancake matches their power either. 

 

TA-152 feels okay after the nerf. It still has great engine power and great altitude performance. But the guns are so inconsistent at long range. Compare it with I-211, both have 3 large caliber guns with the same rate of fire and the same range. I-211 guns just feel much more reliable. I know it's not fair to compare a tier 8 with a tier 9, less to say I-211 has tons of its own disadvantages. But if there is a chance I would like to trade some of the speed and altitude performance for better guns. 

 

The Do-335 is my second-most-played aircraft.  It feels the same as its been since the beginning.   Maybe it feels like a buff because of the severe nerf to the XF5U?  Before, a human flight of Pancakes was almost a guaranteed win.  So now maybe they are a bit more ordinary?



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I think the Pancake got overnerfed, yeah. They didn't actually lower the maneuverability but they raised the stall and changed the dynamics of the plane. Now it struggles to pitch but rolls surprisingly well for an HF. They only needed to raise the stall, not make it brick at low speeds. It's arguable whether or not the Pancake is the worst tier 8 HF now since it still has very high DPS, a lot of durability, and is still more maneuverable than the rest. However the Pancake is no longer a hilariously broken aircraft  that annihilates everything in its path.

 

With the Pancake getting nerfed though there was some... "heated discussion" on the WoWp Discord between people who wanted it nerfed and people who thought it was balanced. Apparently I and several others in the "Pancake needed a nerf" camp were targeted by a clan one of the "Pancake is fine" people was a commander of (I was the only one who had their name spelt correctly funnily enough.) The thing people seem to forget is the difference between skilled play and a top-tier plane.

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Ta-152 from what friends and mates have told me feels barely different other than managing heat being harder with LRB (aka LGB, Long Gun/Range Barrels.) Keep in mind with the I-211 though that all the guns are centered very closely in the nose. In the Ta-152 you have two cannons in the wing roots and another in the hub. Also lately there's been severe issues with sparks (the servers not registering hits that the client sees) so that could explain why they feel so inconsistent as well.


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mnbv_fockewulfe #4 Posted 09 January 2019 - 09:26 PM

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The Ta 152 is the worst HF in T8 because it isn't a HF. :hiding:

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Split the difference on what they did to the pancake and what it was and that should be about right.  as it is not is nowhere near as good as it was.

 


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now there is no reason to go through F7F hell to get the pancake

qu33kKC #7 Posted 10 January 2019 - 01:36 PM

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While the changes to the Pancake's guns are annoying as all get out, I'm still able to have good games in it, as well as the Ta-152.  Just not as consistently.

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View Postmnbv_fockewulfe, on 09 January 2019 - 04:26 PM, said:

The Ta 152 is the worst HF in T8 because it isn't a HF. :hiding:

 

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The pancake used to turn like no other and was it's best trait & what it was known for... Can't believe how it's changed... I think they get a boo hiss for that.

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all planes have been nerfed more than one time

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View Postmnbv_fockewulfe, on 09 January 2019 - 09:26 PM, said:

The Ta 152 is the worst HF in T8 because it isn't a HF. :hiding:

 

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if you come across Spirit in a TA you will not think it nerfed believe me

CorvusCorvax #13 Posted 12 January 2019 - 06:43 PM

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View Postgerr22, on 11 January 2019 - 11:33 AM, said:

if you come across Spirit in a TA you will not think it nerfed believe me

 

You got that right.  If you see him in anything, you best have your wits about you.

 



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View Postmnbv_fockewulfe, on 09 January 2019 - 09:26 PM, said:

The Ta 152 is the worst HF in T8 because it isn't a HF. :hiding:

 

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GonerNL #15 Posted 12 January 2019 - 10:46 PM

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View Postqu33kKC, on 10 January 2019 - 02:36 PM, said:

While the changes to the Pancake's guns are annoying as all get out,

 

Ah, I thought they only neutered the flight characteristics, but they also did something with the guns ?

Flew it yesterday for first time since ages and was shocked ... now defense planes use me for target practice and I can not even kill them quickly ?!
 


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Captain_Underpants53 #16 Posted 12 January 2019 - 11:34 PM

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The dev's seem to be bent on making every plane the same as all the others in its class.  Maybe when all are mediocre and average enough they will stop.
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I love pancakes for breakfast, lunch and dinner :)

 

TA-152 I look for and keep my head on a swivel and actually look to neutralize them.


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Ehh, figures, I had to leave the game for a bit, then I come back looking to grind my F7F (blergh...) and then see this.

 

Welp F7F, afraid I'm going to have to mothball you for a while. Sorry, not sorry.

 

But I do see the reason for the nerf, the Pancake was crazy overpowered. If I saw a flight of human Pancakes I would worry. If I knew those players were very good on top of that, I would generally assume I was getting an L for that match.



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The Ta-152 is a little worse than it was, but it still is crazy-powerful.  Before the minor nerf, I felt I could enter any engagement and win.  Now, I actually have to consider my energy state before engaging Spitfires.  Otherwise, same as before.

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WG way over-nerfed the pancake.

 

Whatever they did to the maneuvering, what they did to to the guns makes this (once awesome) heavy essentially a (Light) Fighter with a lot of hit points. Didn't the pancake used to have 25s of boost?

 

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