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[J311yfish]

This is a placeholder for a new project, the international tech tree having been announced through developer Q&A sessions.  Please hold replies until I can get a few more placeholders ready for each tier, thanks.

 

Quick overview of major types -- Work in progress

-- colors reveal development relationships

 

Tier	Fighters	Multirole Fighters	Heavy Fighters	Attack // Bombers
I	PZL P.1 (Poland, Romania) Svenska Aero Jaktfalken (Sweden, Finland) Fokker D.XVI (Netherlands, Romania, Hungary)
II	PZL P.11 (Poland, Romania, Latvia, Hungary, USSR) Fokker D.XVII (Netherlands, Romania, Greece, Germany)	Hawker Hart/Osprey (Sweden, many)		SM.81 (Italy)
III	PZL P.24 (Poland, Romania, Bulgaria, Greece, Turkey) Gloster Gladiator (U.K., Sweden, Finland, many) Fiat CR.42 (Italy, Germany, Hungary, Sweden, Spain, Croatia) Fokker/V.L. D.XXI (Netherlands, Denmark, Finland, more)	Northrop 8A-1 (Sweden)	Caproni Ca.310 (Italy, Hungary, more) PZL.38 Wilk (Poland)	SM.79 (Italy, Spain) Caproni Ca.313 (Italy, Germany, Croatia, France, Norway, Sweden) PZL.23 Karaś (Poland, Romania, Bulgaria) Vultee V-11 (US, USSR, Brazil, Turkey, China) PZL.37 Los (Poland, Romania, more)
IV	IAR 80 (Romania) MS.406/410 (France) MAVAG Heja I/II (Hungary) Vultee Vanguard (US, UK, Sweden, China) Curtiss Hawk 75A (France, China, Finland, more)	Reggiane Re.2000 (Italy, Hungary, Sweden) Saab 17 (Sweden)	Caproni Ca.314 (Italy, Hungary) Potez 63 (France, Hungary, more) PZL.48 Lampart (Poland)	SM.79 (Italy, Romania, Germany) JIS 79 (Romania) PZL.43 (Poland, Bulgaria, Germany) Vultee V-12 (China)
V	IAR 80 (Romania) Mörkö-Moraani (Finland) Doflug D-3800/3801/3802 (Switzerland) VL Myrsky (Finland) FFVS J 22 (Sweden) Dewoitine D.520 (France)	IAR 81 (Romania) Reggiane Re.2002 (Italy)	Caproni Bergamaschi Ca.331 (Italy) Saab 18 (Sweden) PZL.54 Ryś (Poland)	JRS 79B (Romania) SM.84 (Italy, Germany, Slovakia) CANT Z.1007 (Italy, Germany, Croatia, Free French) Vultee Vengeance (US, UK, Australia, India, France, Brazil)
VI	VL Pyörremyrsky (Finland) Dewoitine D.551 (France)	Reggiane Re.2001 CB/CN (Italy)	Savoia-Marchetti SM.91/92 (Italy) Saab 18 (Sweden)	CANT Z.1018 (Italy)
VII	Dewoitine D.600 (Spain)	Saab 21 (Sweden)	Caproni Bergamaschi Ca.380 (Italy)	Breda BZ.301 (Italy)
VIII	FMA I.Ae. 27 Pulqui I (Argentina) RMI-8 (Hungary)	Saab 21R (Sweden) De Havilland Vampire (many) SNCASE Mistral (France)	I.Ae. 30 Ñancú (Argentina) Gloster Meteor (many)
IX	FMA I.Ae. 27 Pulqui II (Argentina)	Saab 29 (Sweden) Saab projects De Havilland Sea Venom (many) SNCASE Aquilon (France)	Gloster Meteor development (many)
X		Saab 32 (Sweden) Saab projects

 

Edited by J311yfish, 13 January 2019 - 09:15 AM.

[J311yfish]

I

 

Boeing P-12 (06/1928) -- USA

Gloster/VL Kukko II ("Gamecock") (1928) -- Finland

IVL Haukka ("Hawk") (1927/1928) -- Finland

Fokker D.XVI (__/1929) -- Netherlands, Romania, Hungary

Svenska Aero Jaktfalken (J 5 / J 6) ("Fighting Falcon") -- (11/1929) -- Sweden, Finland

PZL P.1 (09/25/1929) -- Poland
PZL P.6 (09/1930) -- Poland
PZL P.7/I (10/1930) -- Poland, Romania, Germany, USSR
PZL P.8 (08/1931) -- Poland

IAR CV 11 (1930) -- see alternates

Edited by J311yfish, 12 January 2019 - 09:56 PM.

[J311yfish]

II

 

PZL P.11 (08/1931) -- Poland, Romania, Hugary, Latvia, USSR

Boeing P-26 Peashooter (03/1932) -- USA

Fokker D.XVII (__/1932) / Airspeed AS.17 -- Netherlands

Letov Š-231 (03/1933) -- Czechoslovakia, Slovakia, Spain

IAR 15 (1933) -- Romania -- see alternates

IAR 16 (1934) -- Romania -- see alternates

Northrop Gamma (~1932; to China 02/1934) -- USA, China

Sparmann E4 (cancelled 1936) -- Sweden -- also known as S4 or P3

Praga E-51 (05/1938) -- Czechoslovakia

Edited by J311yfish, 12 January 2019 - 09:56 PM.

[J311yfish]

III

 

Avia B-534 (05/1933) -- Romania, Hungary, Germany Czechoslovakia, Slovakia, Croatia, Bulgaria, Greece, USSR

PZL P.24 (05/1933) -- Poland, Romania, Bulgaria, Turkey, Greece

Bellanca 28-90B "Flash" (1934; to China 1937) -- China

PZL.23 Karaś (04/1934) -- Poland, Romania, Bulgaria

Savoia-Marchetti SM.79 Sparviero (Sparrowhawk) (09/1934) -- [1330 built] -- Italy, Romania

Ikarus IK-2 (04/1935) -- Croatia, Yugoslavia

Curtiss Hawk 75M (05/1935) -- USA

Seversky P-35 (08/1935) -- USA, Sweden, Japan, Colombia, Ecuador, Phillipines -- basis of Reggiane Re.2000

Vultee V-11 (09/1935; to Brazil __/19__; to China 07/1937+) -- USA, Brazil, China, USSR, Turkey

P.Z.L. P.37 Los (summer 1936) -- Poland, Romania, Germany, Bulgaria, Belgium, Greece, Spain, Turkey, Yugoslavia -- twin-engine medium bomber

Dewoitine D.510 (10/1936; to China 1938) -- France, China, Japan, Spain, UK, USSR

Gloster Gladiator (J 8)  (01/1937 United Kingdom; 01/1940 Sweden; 12/1939+ Finland) -- UK, many

IAR 37/38/39 (__/1937) -- Romania

Koolhoven FK.52 (02/1937; to Finland 1940) -- Netherlands, Finland

Fokker G.I (03/1937; ordered by Sweden and Finland 1940) -- Netherlands, Germany

Fokker T.V (10/1937) -- Netherlands

Fokker/V.L. D.XXI (1937/1940+) -- Netherlands, Finland, Denmark, Germany, Spain

Northrop 8A-1 (B 5) (04/1938+)  -- licensed production of Northrop A-17 in Sweden

Seversky-Republic EP-1 (J 9) and 2 P-A (B 6) (~1939-1940 to Sweden) -- Seversky P-35 from USA

Edited by J311yfish, 13 January 2019 - 12:59 AM.

[J311yfish]

IV

 

Heinkel He 112 (__/1935) -- exported to Spain, Hungary, Romania

Weiss WM-23 Ezustnyil (Silver Arrow) (09/1941) -- continuation of He 112 with Gnome-Rhone Mistral Major in Hungary

Avia B.35 (09/1938) -- Czechoslovakia -- 3 prototypes

Avia B.135 (09/1938) -- Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria -- continuation of B.35

Renard R.36 (11/1937)

Renard R.37 (07/1939)
Renard R.38 (08/1939)

Rogožarski IK-3​ (05/1938)

P.Z.L. P.38 Wilk (Wolf) (05/1938) -- twin-engine attack fighter, escort, interceptor

Koolhoven F.K.58 (07/1938, 06/1939) -- 36 ordered by France (07/1939); 13+1 delivered

Caproni Bergamaschi Ca.335 Maestrale (​Mistral) -- (design 1938; prototype 1939; sold to Belgium) -- Cesare Pallavicino

P.Z.L. P.50 Jastrzab (Hawk) (02/1939)

IAR 80 (04/1939)

IAR 81 (05/1942) -- modification of IAR 80 to serve also as a dive bomber (multi-role fighter)

Fokker D.XXIII (05/1939)

Curtiss Hawk 75A -- more powerful engines than Hawk 75M; basis for P-40; entered French service starting 03/1939-05/1939; also service in Argentina, China, Thailand, Iran, India, Norway, Netherlands, Germany, Finland; British service in Portugal, South Africa, India

Reggiane Re.2000 (J 20)  (05/1939 Italy; 1941+ to Sweden) -- continuation of Seversky P-35 by designer Roberto Longhi in Italy

VEF I-16 (__/1940) -- Latvia; design by Kārlis Irbītis; to be continued as I-19; (ref: Mureaux 190)

MAVAG Heja I (Goshawk I) (__/1940) -- continuation of Reggiane Re.2000; re-engined and re-armed in Hungary

MAVAG Heja II (Goshawk II) (__/1942)

Vultee P-66 Vanguard (09/1939; ordered by Sweden 05/1940 but not delivered; to China 1942+)

Vultee V-12 (~1939 China)​

Morane-Saulnier MS.406/410 (05/1938+, 01/1939 France; 12/1939+ Finland)

Brewster F2A Buffalo (__/1938)

Brewster F2A-1 Buffalo (__/1938)

Brewster B-239 Buffalo (02/1940 Finland)

Saab 17 (B 17) -- (05/1940) -- delivered 12/1941-09/1944

Savoia-Marchetti SM.79JR (03/1941) -- Romania

VL Humu ("Reckless") (06/1943 Finland) -- unlicensed Buffalo copy

Edited by J311yfish, 13 January 2019 - 07:24 AM.

[J311yfish]

V

 

Messerschmitt Bf 109 E Emil (06/1937)

P.Z.L. P.56 Kania (Kitty Hawk) -- (incomplete project)

P.48 Lampart (Leopard) -- twin-engine attack fighter, escort, interceptor -- project incomplete as of 09/1939

Fokker T.IX (abandoned 09/1939)

Saab 19 (J 19)  (suspended 12/1939)​

Vultee Vengeance (03/1941; Brazil; France)

Martin Baltimore (06/1941)

IAR 47 (1942)

JRS 79B (1942)

Saab 18 (B 18) -- (06/1942, 06/1944)

FFVS 22 (J 22) (09/1942) -- delivered 11/1943+

V.L. Myrsky ("Storm") (1943) -- reference: CAC CA-12 Boomerang (V), ​FFVS J 22 (Sweden)

Morane-Saulnier/Doflug D-3800 (1939-1940) -- continuation of MS.406/410 in Switzerland

Morane-Saulnier/Doflug D-3801 (1940+)

Morane-Saulnier/Doflug D-3802 (1940+)

Mörkö-Moraani (1943) -- modification of MS.406/410 in Finland

Edited by J311yfish, 13 January 2019 - 12:56 AM.

[J311yfish]

VI

 

Messerschmitt Bf 109 F Friedrich (__/1940)

P.Z.L. P.62 (?)-- (incomplete project)

Saab 18 (B 18B) -- (06/1944)

V.L. Pyörremyrsky ("Whirlwind") (1944+)

IAR 471 (abandoned ~1944)

SNCAC NC.900 (__/19__) -- Focke-Wulf Fw-190 production continued in France

 

Edited by J311yfish, 10 January 2019 - 03:03 PM.

[J311yfish]

VII

 

Messerschmitt Bf 109 G Gustav (spring 1942)

Saab 21 (J 21A) (design 04/1941; first flight 07/1943) -- delivered 12/1945

Dewoitine D.600 (__/19__) -- Emile Dewoitine in Spain -- continuation of D.551; also known as Hispano-Suiza HS-50

I.Ae. 30 Ñancú (07/1948) -- Cesare Pallavicino in Argentina

Edited by J311yfish, 10 January 2019 - 03:04 PM.

[J311yfish]

VIII

 

Messerschmitt Me 262 Schwalbe (07/1942)

RMI-8 (incomplete 1944) -- Hungary; also known as Marton X/V

Saab 21R (J 21R) -- (design proposed 1945; first flight 03/1947) -- delivered 02/1949

FMA I.Ae. 27 Pulqui I (08/1947) -- Émile Dewoitine in Argentina

Gloster CXP-102 (05/1947+) -- reference: JL-1A-37 (VIII)

Edited by J311yfish, 11 January 2019 - 11:23 PM.

[J311yfish]

IX

 

Focke-Wulf Ta 183 Huckebein (design 02/1945)

Gloster CXP-1001 (1946+)

Saab 29 Tunnan (J 29) ("The Flying Barrel") -- (design finalized 01/1946; first flight 09/1948) -- delivered 05/1951+

FMA IAe 33 Pulqui II (06/1950) -- Kurt Tank in Argentina -- continuation of Ta 183

SNCASE SE.532/535 Mistral (04/1951, 12/1951) -- French development of De Havilland Vampire -- delivered 12/1951-03/1954

SNCASE SE.201 Aquilon (10/1952) -- French development of de Havilland Sea Venom Mk. 20 -- adopted 1951; entered service 1952+

Edited by J311yfish, 10 January 2019 - 03:08 PM.

[J311yfish]

X

 

North American F-86A Sabre (10/1947)

Saab Project 1119 (cancelled 12/1948) and other pre-Lansen projects

Canadair Sabre (08/1950) -- ref: F-86A (X)

Saab Project 1200 / Project 1250 (~1951+)

Saab 32 Lansen (J 32) ("The Lance") -- (design from ~1948; first flight 11/1952) -- delivered 12/1955+ -- ref: Swift (X)

FMA I.Ae. 37 (1952+)

Shenyang J-2 (Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-15bis) (12/1947+; to China 1950) -- ref: MiG-15bis (X)

LIM-2 (licensed MiG-15bis) (09/1954+) -- ref: MiG-15bis (X)

Edited by J311yfish, 10 January 2019 - 03:10 PM.

[J311yfish]

Alternates 1

 

IAR CV 11 (__/1930) -- 2 built; low-wing monoplane prototype fighter rejected in favor of PZL P.11 -- design team led by Elie Carafoli

IAR 12 (__/1933) -- 1 built; further development of IAR CV 11

IAR 13 (__/1933) -- 1 built; further development of IAR 12

IAR 14 (06/1933) -- 20 built; further development; order placed 09/1933

IAR 15 (__/1934) -- 5 built; lost to PZL P.11 -- contemporaries Boeing P-26, Dewoitine D.500

IAR 16 (__/1934) -- 1 built Bristol Mercury IV S2 -- Elie Carafoli

Edited by J311yfish, 11 January 2019 - 09:13 AM.

[J311yfish]

Alternates 2

Edited by J311yfish, 11 January 2019 - 08:54 AM.

[J311yfish]

Okay that's enough placeholders for now!

 

Will begin with the Poland --> Romania transition, PZL 11 --> PZL 24 --> IAR 80, which builds upon previous work for Poland, then onward/upward from there.

 

Open to leads and/or suggestions.

[Captain_Underpants53]

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[El_Mulo]

PZ L 11 !!!!!!!!

 

[jack_wdw]

Fokker D.XXI, Fokker G.1, Fokker D.XXIII, Renard R.36/37/38, lots of italian planes (Macchi - Fiat), Rogozarski IK-3, The finnish Buffalo, DoFlug D-3801/D3802/ D3803

Edited by jack_wdw, 07 January 2019 - 08:05 AM.

[Cardinal604]

What makes you place the IAR 80 at tier 4 I would have figured it to be Tier 5 same as the FFVS 22 (J 22) 

 

Also some more planes...

 

Bombers Fokker T.V. and the Fokker T.IX.

 

CAC CA-15 ?

Arsenal VG-33 (should already be in French tree same as the Bloch MB.150 and MD.700 and the D.520)

 

[J311yfish]

Cardinal604, on 07 January 2019 - 06:15 PM, said:

What makes you place the IAR 80 at tier 4 I would have figured it to be Tier 5 same as the FFVS 22 (J 22) 

 

 

This is a very early work in progress.  Things will definitely move around until they are substantiated with official sources, and referenced to in-game aircraft and modules.

 

jack_wdw, on 07 January 2019 - 03:04 AM, said:

Fokker D.XXI, Fokker G.1, Fokker D.XXIII, Renard R.36/37/38, lots of italian planes (Macchi - Fiat), Rogozarski IK-3, The finnish Buffalo, DoFlug D-3801/D3802/ D3803

 

Cardinal604, on 07 January 2019 - 06:15 PM, said:

Bombers Fokker T.V. and the Fokker T.IX.

 

CAC CA-15 ?

Arsenal VG-33 (should already be in French tree same as the Bloch MB.150 and MD.700 and the D.520)

 

All great suggestions, thanks, will get them added.

 

Added CAC CA-15 to UK tier VIII alternates to be consistent with CAC Wirraway and CAC Boomerang.  Further down the road, alternates from countries will be mined for possible inclusion here -- based on export plans or continuation, etc.

 

Priorities:

1. native aircraft -- such as those by Fokker, PZL, IAR that would otherwise not have a home on a tier 1-10 tree

2.a. aircraft designed/developed abroad to native specifications -- Ex: Fairey Fantome

2.b. imported/licensed production aircraft, further developed -- such as MS.406 further developed by Switzerland, Finland; PZL.24 and SM.79 further developed in Romania

3. imported/licensed production aircraft, not further developed -- such as the Italian export of Re.2000, CR.42, SM.79; British export of Gloster Gladiator; USA export of Vultee Vengeance, Martin Baltimore

4. native prototypes/projects that did not proceed to production -- Ex: Saab 19

5. aircraft with strong or identical resemblance to aircraft already in-game -- such as Canadair Sabre, MiG-15bis as Shenyang J-2 or LIM-2

 

Edited by J311yfish, 11 January 2019 - 10:27 PM.

[Cardinal604]

Also these planes

 

Hungarian

MAVAG Heja II

Weiss-Manfred WM-23

 

Romania

IAR JRS 79B (Bomber)

Edited by Cardinal604, 10 January 2019 - 02:38 PM.