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hamhockjones #1 Posted 19 December 2018 - 03:53 PM

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    When 2 players pair up with new bombers, the other team has no chance at all. Fighters cannot kill fast enough to keep up. Its impossible !!  Just flew my spit up point blank on b-17 and my bullets just basically bounced off doing no damage no matter where I hit his plane..No bomber was ever made that could do that, repel bullets like raindrops. Just another hopeless and impossible bunch of crap added to this game to keep these no skill adms that play at the top of rankings and win percentages..I have yet to see a human pair of b-17s or b-32s lose a game on here !!  If you see that, leave the game and go back to hanger because its a hopeless situation for your team and your going to lose... Such a fictional never happened bunch of crap just to help a small group of jerks that will do anything to win.... These guys think they are winners, lol, they are losers that have taken the fun right out of the game for their own selfish benefit !!   HAM

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Merry Christmas Ham!!!

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View Posthamhockjones, on 19 December 2018 - 09:53 AM, said:

    When 2 players pair up with new bombers, the other team has no chance at all. Fighters cannot kill fast enough to keep up. Its impossible !!  Just flew my spit up point blank on b-17 and my bullets just basically bounced off doing no damage no matter where I hit his plane..No bomber was ever made that could do that, repel bullets like raindrops. Just another hopeless and impossible bunch of crap added to this game to keep these no skill adms that play at the top of rankings and win percentages..I have yet to see a human pair of b-17s or b-32s lose a game on here !!  If you see that, leave the game and go back to hanger because its a hopeless situation for your team and your going to lose... Such a fictional never happened bunch of crap just to help a small group of jerks that will do anything to win.... These guys think they are winners, lol, they are losers that have taken the fun right out of the game for their own selfish benefit !!   HAM

 

You probably were lagging and need to clear the cache. Also, fly heavy fighters if you want to shoot bombers. And don't talk about pairing up, because of people that say that, we don't have three players flights anymore.

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and this, folks, it the answer to the "Why do you climb up after Bombers" post from a day or so back.

 

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Prenzlau #5 Posted 19 December 2018 - 04:38 PM

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    I have to come clean and be honest with you all. I made sure HamHock found the Palantir and I have been secretly telling him how hopeless it is to compete with bombers and that the game is unwinnable. 

 

 

    Yes I am the evil overlord behind Hamhock's hopeless despair. I'm also not sorry either! Eventually, you will all succumb to my will. 

 

(Hideous evil laughter) Bahahawawahaha!!!!

 

Prenzlau Tyrannus

 

PS- By the way, my explanation as to why Hamhock is a defeatist is just as good as anything anyone else can put forth, so there! 

 

And I also know the "airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow".


Edited by Prenzlau, 19 December 2018 - 05:44 PM.

 

 

 

 


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View PostPrenzlau, on 19 December 2018 - 11:38 AM, said:

    I have to come clean and be honest with you all. I made sure HamHock found the Palantir and I have been secretly telling him how hopeless it is to compete with bombers and that the game is unwinnable. 

 

 

    Yes I am the evil overlord behind Hamhock's hopeless despair. I'm also not sorry either! Eventually, you will all succumb to my will. 

 

(Hideous evil laughter) Bahahawawahaha!!!!

 

Prenzlau Tyrannus

get me my official Red Rider, carbine action, 200-shot, range model air rifle, with a compass in the stock and this thing that tells time...

hark, I hear the annoying chatter of the:

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View PostPrenzlau, on 19 December 2018 - 11:38 AM, said:

Prenzlau Tyrannus

 

PS- By the way, my explanation as to why Hamhock is a defeatist is just as good as anything anyone else can put forth, so there! 

 

And I also know the "airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow".

even an african swallow would succumb to a properly wielded red rider

 


Edited by Ace_BOTlistic_Cosmo, 19 December 2018 - 07:15 PM.

if the pilot's good, see, I mean, if he's really..sharp, he can barrel that baby in so low [he spreads his arms like wings and laughs],

you oughtta see it sometime, it's a sight. A big plane like a '52. VRROOM! There's jet exhaust, fryin' chickens in the barnyard.


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View Posthamhockjones, on 19 December 2018 - 03:53 PM, said:

    When 2 players pair up with new bombers, the other team has no chance at all. Fighters cannot kill fast enough to keep up. Its impossible !!  Just flew my spit up point blank on b-17 and my bullets just basically bounced off doing no damage no matter where I hit his plane..No bomber was ever made that could do that, repel bullets like raindrops. Just another hopeless and impossible bunch of crap added to this game to keep these no skill adms that play at the top of rankings and win percentages..I have yet to see a human pair of b-17s or b-32s lose a game on here !!  If you see that, leave the game and go back to hanger because its a hopeless situation for your team and your going to lose... Such a fictional never happened bunch of crap just to help a small group of jerks that will do anything to win.... These guys think they are winners, lol, they are losers that have taken the fun right out of the game for their own selfish benefit !!   HAM

Hey, bro.  Just had a game the other day in my Me-410 where I did the thing you said can't be done.  I killed flighted B-17s and won the battle by keeping them from flipping sectors.  It's not hard, you just have to focus on doing the thing your plane does best.  BTW, your Spitfire is a crappy bomber killer.  Don't use it for that purpose.



mad_dog_morgan #8 Posted 19 December 2018 - 07:05 PM

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the way the Spitfire is portrayed in the game is not how the Spitfire really was asked the dead German bomber pilots from the Battle of Brittan. but it is what it is are u using silver ammo at least I seriously doubt the free crap is gonna kill it before it kills you I have little trouble in most of my planes killing bombers unless its an altitude deprived plane like a yak15 or the corsairs the boomerang has the same trouble. but the arrival of the USAAC bombers has certainly given me the impetus to fly heavy fighters  especially during quiet server times as the bots won't deal with them or GA's funny thing is the horrible tier IX Hawker P.228  erases B32's those huge Adens just clean them up and do a nice job and  IL20/40/40p and their, :hiding:German counterparts they just suck against other fighters.if you like flying things like 262 etc you now have something to do nut a spitfirein this meta noway your just gonna waste a load of time. 


Edited by mad_dog_morgan, 19 December 2018 - 07:09 PM.


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As a bomber pilot, I would not recommend the Spit as the first choice to attack a bomber.   Unless you cleared your cache first, of course.
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Prenzlau #10 Posted 19 December 2018 - 08:09 PM

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    One more time for the players who hide in the peanut gallery.

 

It isn't the planes necessarily. It is the players/pilots. Been saying this for a long time. People never want to really think about it or look in the mirror. Are some planes like heavies certainly more capable of destroying bombers, of course they are. A highly skilled pilot in a light fighter can destroy bombers as well, because it is all about two things.

 

1. Attacking at the right opportunity, the timing of the attack can drastically alter the results.

 

2. The position of the attack, as far as the angles and position of the fighter attacking the bomber where it's guns are far less potent or finding a blind spot. 

 

As a bomber player I know two things as well.

 

1. Where I don't like enemy planes, heavies or otherwise attacking my plane, as far as the position they attack from.

 

2. The player/pilots attacking my bomber, as far as who they are and their skill level. 

 

This game is more than "see bomber, then attack bomber". The bomber type and the player or bot flying it has to be considered. There is a technique to attacking bombers with great success and efficiency. I'll be forthright without trying to sound arrogant, but I know who the players are that I have to alter my game for and take precautions, why? Because they have superior techniques and they are very dangerous. On the other hand, most players that attack my bomber still either need work on their skill or don't have much of it. That is just the reality I see every time I play.

 

Next small bit of advice. If you want to become really good at destroying bombers, then play them, learn the limitations and the strong advantages of bombers and then you'll know exactly how to take them out or hit them in their vulnerable spots.

 

Stop blaming just the plane when the player flying the plane has a huge impact at how that plane performs.

 

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wylleEcoyote #11 Posted 19 December 2018 - 08:14 PM

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View Posthamhockjones, on 19 December 2018 - 03:53 PM, said:

    When 2 players pair up with new bombers, the other team has no chance at all. Fighters cannot kill fast enough to keep up. Its impossible !!  Just flew my spit up point blank on b-17 ...

 

Aaaand that is when i spit out my coffee and stopped reading this work of fiction.

To all Newcomers; HamHock is this forums version of InfoWars. 
Save your brain for reading something actually useful.
Like the latest Patch Notes.
 

Wherein it states that Bomber turret guns lock on speed is being increased by 50%. (100% in the case of the B-32)
And the defensive fire range boost is being cut in half from 20% to 10%  
And that damage beyond effective ranges are being nerfed as well.   
(Not the crits though so Bombers still have that fun going for them)

 

I mean really the man has 10k+ battles


He should know better. And yet ...


Edited by wylleEcoyote, 19 December 2018 - 09:52 PM.

Fair warning. My success rate at speculative guesswork is very hit or miss. Usually I start on the right track and then a make a weird left turn and get lost in the weeds ... 
And yet it doesn't stop me from speculation.
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Prenzlau #12 Posted 19 December 2018 - 08:33 PM

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View PostwylleEcoyote, on 19 December 2018 - 02:14 PM, said:

 

Aaaand that is when i spit out my coffee and stopped reading this work of fiction.

To all Newcomers; HamHock is this forums version of InfoWars. 
Save your brain for reading something actually useful.
Like the latest Patch Notes.

 

    I do agree with you... except if it is Z & P Bombing Co on the other team. In that event, old Hamhock is 100% correct.

 

Just thought I would point out that all but real possibility.

 

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View PostPrenzlau, on 19 December 2018 - 08:33 PM, said:

 

    I do agree with you... except if it is Z & P Bombing Co on the other team. In that event, old Hamhock is 100% correct.

 

Just thought I would point out that all but real possibility.

 

Prenzlau Tyrannus

 

I hear what your selling, but I'm not buying.

I have seen you on the red team a fair number of times before and to your credit you are too good at what you do to ignore.
But not so good that taking you on is a no win scenario.

Sure you play to minimize your weaknesses. And do so better than most. 
But they still exist and can be Deserve to be exploited. Ruthlessly. 

As far as I am concerned; if I happen to have even a moderately favorable match up, the time i spend keeping you and your wingman out of the sky is time well spent.
Even if it means leaving other cap control duties to the bots to do so.

About half of the time, it even works out.

Fair warning. My success rate at speculative guesswork is very hit or miss. Usually I start on the right track and then a make a weird left turn and get lost in the weeds ... 
And yet it doesn't stop me from speculation.
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View Posthamhockjones, on 19 December 2018 - 09:53 AM, said:

    When 2 players pair up with new bombers, the other team has no chance at all. Fighters cannot kill fast enough to keep up. Its impossible !!  Just flew my spit up point blank on b-17 and my bullets just basically bounced off doing no damage no matter where I hit his plane..No bomber was ever made that could do that, repel bullets like raindrops. Just another hopeless and impossible bunch of crap added to this game to keep these no skill adms that play at the top of rankings and win percentages..I have yet to see a human pair of b-17s or b-32s lose a game on here !!  If you see that, leave the game and go back to hanger because its a hopeless situation for your team and your going to lose... Such a fictional never happened bunch of crap just to help a small group of jerks that will do anything to win.... These guys think they are winners, lol, they are losers that have taken the fun right out of the game for their own selfish benefit !!   HAM

 

If your spitfire loses to a multi-role fighter in a head on, you may be playing it wrong.

If your spitfire loses in a turn fight to a jap- light fighter, you may be playing it wrong.

If your spitfire stalls out chasing a heavy fighter up and you die, you may be playing it wrong. 

If your spitfire dies from a IL's rear gunner when tail-gating it, you may be playing it wrong.

If your spitfire kills more ground targets than plane kills, you may be playing it wrong.

So if a bomber kills you in a spitfire when you are tailgating, and stalling out are you playing it wrong?



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View PostPrenzlau, on 19 December 2018 - 10:38 AM, said:

    I have to come clean and be honest with you all. I made sure HamHock found the Palantir and I have been secretly telling him how hopeless it is to compete with bombers and that the game is unwinnable. 

 

 

    Yes I am the evil overlord behind Hamhock's hopeless despair. I'm also not sorry either! Eventually, you will all succumb to my will. 

 

(Hideous evil laughter) Bahahawawahaha!!!!

 

Prenzlau Tyrannus

 

PS- By the way, my explanation as to why Hamhock is a defeatist is just as good as anything anyone else can put forth, so there! 

 

And I also know the "airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow".

 

 

African or European swallow?



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z and p heads get any bigger they will really a pair of boobs

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View PostEZP_MRKARP, on 19 December 2018 - 04:09 PM, said:

z and p heads get any bigger they will really a pair of boobs

 

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View PostPrenzlau, on 19 December 2018 - 03:09 PM, said:

    One more time for the players who hide in the peanut gallery.

 

It isn't the planes necessarily. It is the players/pilots. Been saying this for a long time. People never want to really think about it or look in the mirror. Are some planes like heavies certainly more capable of destroying bombers, of course they are. A highly skilled pilot in a light fighter can destroy bombers as well, because it is all about two things.

 

1. Attacking at the right opportunity, the timing of the attack can drastically alter the results.

 

2. The position of the attack, as far as the angles and position of the fighter attacking the bomber where it's guns are far less potent or finding a blind spot. 

 

As a bomber player I know two things as well.

 

1. Where I don't like enemy planes, heavies or otherwise attacking my plane, as far as the position they attack from.

 

2. The player/pilots attacking my bomber, as far as who they are and their skill level. 

 

This game is more than "see bomber, then attack bomber". The bomber type and the player or bot flying it has to be considered. There is a technique to attacking bombers with great success and efficiency. I'll be forthright without trying to sound arrogant, but I know who the players are that I have to alter my game for and take precautions, why? Because they have superior techniques and they are very dangerous. On the other hand, most players that attack my bomber still either need work on their skill or don't have much of it. That is just the reality I see every time I play.

 

Next small bit of advice. If you want to become really good at destroying bombers, then play them, learn the limitations and the strong advantages of bombers and then you'll know exactly how to take them out or hit them in their vulnerable spots.

 

Stop blaming just the plane when the player flying the plane has a huge impact at how that plane performs.

 

Prenzlau Tyrannus

 

Well. as a member of the peanut gallery, I guess I've been put in my place.  The MIGHTY SPHINCTER has spoken!  Spitfires are the perfect bomber killers.  Come and get me!

 

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View PostEZP_MRKARP, on 19 December 2018 - 07:09 PM, said:

z and p heads get any bigger they will really a pair of boobs

 

I figure they are about a triple D cup right now.  Soon to EXPLODE!  Silicone everywhere!

 

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I agree with most of the points made here, but I wouldn't waist my time chasing bombers, especially B-17's in a Spit. 

If the bombers are being played correctly, it takes too long to get to altitude and then you may be over the Spits acceptable ceiling. So, why try?

Heavies and some multi-roles can do the job much better. P-38's are my favorite for bomber interception. 

Knowing where to attack a bomber is important too. Prenzlau's advice to learn how to fly a bomber will help you better understand the bomber's weaknesses, when you go up against them.


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