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FlakValleyExpress #1 Posted 11 December 2018 - 03:29 PM

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We have talked about console and PC platforms before about standards in gaming, however this theory of network gaming is interesting. Linus of Linus tech tips discuss's such options

 

 

Imagine always having the latest hardware every year without buying new equipment all the time. This stuff is intriguing. I would like to see how this works out in the future. I wonder if they have lifetime subscriptions? Does anyone use this type of setup?


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    The idea and path has always been to substitute the physical reality with the virtual. Eventually the technology will get so advanced that the human mind will no longer be able to discern what is real and what is virtual. Then virtual reality creates virtual realities within virtual realities, like looking into two mirrors, one in front and one behind you, you'll notice the repeating images replicate off into an infinity. 

 

 

    Eventually the original reality is lost and forgotten. The mathematical odds of us (right now) being in that original reality are far more remote than simply being in a spawned replicated simulation. This creates some very interesting paradoxes and possibilities. 

 

https://www.newyorker.com/books/joshua-rothman/what-are-the-odds-we-are-living-in-a-computer-simulation

 

    Regardless, most people will probably agree that one reality is as good as another, and it does not really matter what the true nature of our reality really is, simulation or not, we still have a life to live. 

 

    Ok I got way... way out ahead here. 

 

    Everything in the future will change from an "observer" perspective into an "interactive" perspective with total immersion. People will work in virtual offices, visit virtual places, interact with family and friends at virtual hang outs and vacations, all without physically leaving your home. Entertainment will be no different. Instead of watching a movie or playing a game on a two dimensional screen, a person will immerse themselves into a game or movie and become part of it, with an infinite number of pathways and no fixed ending. Everything we are using and playing now is already obsolete. A.I. will be everywhere and into everything and will run things and manage all the details, leaving our future generations to become fixated and focused on lifestyles that will be mostly virtual. Not everyone though, some groups will reject this and others won't be able to afford it or psychologically cope. If anyone thinks humanity knows how to be responsible with technology, please raise their hand. 

 

    The next step for Warplanes if it can endure will be for the player to virtually be "in the cockpit" and fly from the perspective of actually piloting a plane in a total 360 virtual environment. My point is that 2D screens are already an obsolete technology, we just don't fully realize it yet. 

 

    So what in the world does anything I have said have to do with FlakValley's post? Nothing.... and everything. 

 

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Sorry I really have to apologize. Most people are reductionist thinkers, and it is natural for the human mind to always simplify. I'm unfortunately an expansionist thinker and abstract theorist, which makes me 110% annoying. 

 


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View PostFlakValleyExpress, on 11 December 2018 - 10:29 AM, said:

We have talked about console and PC platforms before about standards in gaming, however this theory of network gaming is interesting. Linus of Linus tech tips discuss's such options

 

 

Imagine always having the latest hardware every year without buying new equipment all the time. This stuff is intriguing. I would like to see how this works out in the future. I wonder if they have lifetime subscriptions? Does anyone use this type of setup?

 

cut the network connection and tell me how much gaming it can do.  

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View PostFlakValleyExpress, on 11 December 2018 - 10:29 AM, said:

We have talked about console and PC platforms before about standards in gaming, however this theory of network gaming is interesting. Linus of Linus tech tips discuss's such options

 

 

Imagine always having the latest hardware every year without buying new equipment all the time. This stuff is intriguing. I would like to see how this works out in the future. I wonder if they have lifetime subscriptions? Does anyone use this type of setup?

 

I think not.  Too many potential future downsides, not the least of which is latency.  And if a cracker finds his way into their servers with all those always-on rigs....

Go read the comments section under the vid. 

 

I'm happy with this speed test done by Ookla about four minutes ago.  My ISP is about 250 miles away.

Ping 10 ms
Download 50.58 Mbps
Upload 10.54 Mbps
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Call me old fashioned, but I use as little of the cloud as possible (where do you think your email is stored?).  You don't think these guys had their records stored locally, do you? "Marriott International has released an official statement covering the data breach which led to the personal and financial information of up to 500 million guests being compromised."
 
Besides, how can you take a sales spiel seriously from a guy who wears socks and sandals?  I mean c'mon.... :D:facepalm:

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Ace_BOTlistic_Cosmo #5 Posted 11 December 2018 - 07:10 PM

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View PostPrenzlau, on 11 December 2018 - 11:23 AM, said:

    The idea and path has always been to substitute the physical reality with the virtual. Eventually the technology will get so advanced that the human mind will no longer be able to discern what is real and what is virtual. Then virtual reality creates virtual realities within virtual realities, like looking into two mirrors, one in front and one behind you, you'll notice the repeating images replicate off into an infinity. 

 

 

    Eventually the original reality is lost and forgotten. The mathematical odds of us (right now) being in that original reality are far more remote than simply being in a spawned replicated simulation. This creates some very interesting paradoxes and possibilities. 

 

https://www.newyorker.com/books/joshua-rothman/what-are-the-odds-we-are-living-in-a-computer-simulation

 

    Regardless, most people will probably agree that one reality is as good as another, and it does not really matter what the true nature of our reality really is, simulation or not, we still have a life to live. 

 

    Ok I got way... way out ahead here. 

 

    Everything in the future will change from an "observer" perspective into an "interactive" perspective with total immersion. People will work in virtual offices, visit virtual places, interact with family and friends at virtual hang outs and vacations, all without physically leaving your home. Entertainment will be no different. Instead of watching a movie or playing a game on a two dimensional screen, a person will immerse themselves into a game or movie and become part of it, with an infinite number of pathways and no fixed ending. Everything we are using and playing now is already obsolete. A.I. will be everywhere and into everything and will run things and manage all the details, leaving our future generations to become fixated and focused on lifestyles that will be mostly virtual. Not everyone though, some groups will reject this and others won't be able to afford it or psychologically cope. If anyone thinks humanity knows how to be responsible with technology, please raise their hand. 

 

    The next step for Warplanes if it can endure will be for the player to virtually be "in the cockpit" and fly from the perspective of actually piloting a plane in a total 360 virtual environment. My point is that 2D screens are already an obsolete technology, we just don't fully realize it yet. 

 

    So what in the world does anything I have said have to do with FlakValley's post? Nothing.... and everything. 

 

Prenzlau

 

Sorry I really have to apologize. Most people are reductionist thinkers, and it is natural for the human mind to always simplify. I'm unfortunately an expansionist thinker and abstract theorist, which makes me 110% annoying. 

 

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The thing is OnLive tried this before and they folded, but there limitation was bandwidth.  It was rough to get 1080p with the standard speeds back then.  I had a couple of games via OnLive that I did play several hours.  It was pretty cool and was great to play without having to use the disk space, but I was only at 720p and even then it felt like I was down resolution many times because my internet speed could not keep up the demand that the game needed.

 

Do not get me wrong Shadow has some interesting things going for it.  I have know about this for a while now and watching them to see how they grow and what they will offer over time.


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Full circle back to dumb terminals (3270/chrome book) connected to a central mainframe (System 360/cloud services)

 

 

...outsource...bring back in house...repeat... l blame the fricken accountants...they should all be shot! :trollface:


 

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View PostBubba_Zanetti, on 11 December 2018 - 09:20 PM, said:

Full circle back to dumb terminals (3270/chrome book) connected to a central mainframe (System 360/cloud services)

 

 

Personally, I think Timesharing and Punch Cards are about to make a big comeback.  I mean, hipsters are buying vinyl for true sound fidelity, why should they be programming in Python when they could be churning out punch cards with Fortran or IBM Assembly Language?  

 

Anyway, to make an edit to an edit, this "revolutionary" idea seems to be more geared toward cyber currency miners than gamers.  Processing power on the local PC is going to trump cloud-based GPUs until fiber is ubiquitous which does not appear to be any time soon.  

 


Edited by Bobby_Tables, 12 December 2018 - 03:35 AM.


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View PostBobby_Tables, on 11 December 2018 - 10:25 PM, said:

 

Personally, I think Timesharing and Punch Cards are about to make a big comeback.  I mean, hipsters are buying vinyl for true sound fidelity, why should they be programming in Java when they could be churning out punch cards with Fortran or IBM Assembly Language?  

 

Wait, what is Bigworld's underlying language?  Maybe we are already there...

 

I wish I had asked my Dad how many boxes of IBM punch cards he had stashed away...was always writing lists and notes on them for as long as I can recall...anyhoo...maybe if WG/Persha did Psuedo code before they coded actual code...flow charts n all!

 

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View PostBubba_Zanetti, on 11 December 2018 - 09:34 PM, said:

 

I wish I had asked my Dad how many boxes of IBM punch cards he had stashed away...was always writing lists and notes on them for as long as I can recall...anyhoo...maybe if WG/Persha did Psuedo code before they coded actual code...flow charts n all!

 

Aww man, I twice edited my post, but you get the idea.  Found out that Bigworld is Python, so my snark is a bit un-snarky.  Modified it to un-snark the snark but keep the disillusion.  Decentralized GPU rendering is great if you are mining Ethereum, less so if you are trying to win in PUBG.  

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View PostBobby_Tables, on 11 December 2018 - 10:25 PM, said:

Anyway, to make an edit to an edit, this "revolutionary" idea seems to be more geared toward cyber currency miners than gamers.  Processing power on the local PC is going to trump cloud-based GPUs until fiber is ubiquitous which does not appear to be any time soon.  

 

 

Edit the Third:

I agree Bobby, it's going to be a long time until the entire planet is on fibre, but just for the record Bell Canada has already started and is well into a complete conversion to fibre for the entirety of the provinces of Quebec and Ontario.  Every single outlet.  That's a little under 22 million people as of 2016 census.  Dunno how many outlets that is.  Not so big by U.S. standards but don't forget there's only 35 million of us.  My "last mile" of copper is down to 90 metres which is the height of my apartment above ground.  The fibre for that is currently coiled up in my apartment building's service room.

It's on the way. 

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View PostPrenzlau, on 11 December 2018 - 11:23 AM, said:

    The idea and path has always been to substitute the physical reality with the virtual. Eventually the technology will get so advanced that the human mind will no longer be able to discern what is real and what is virtual. Then virtual reality creates virtual realities within virtual realities, like looking into two mirrors, one in front and one behind you, you'll notice the repeating images replicate off into an infinity. 

 

 

    Eventually the original reality is lost and forgotten. The mathematical odds of us (right now) being in that original reality are far more remote than simply being in a spawned replicated simulation. This creates some very interesting paradoxes and possibilities. 

 

https://www.newyorker.com/books/joshua-rothman/what-are-the-odds-we-are-living-in-a-computer-simulation

 

    Regardless, most people will probably agree that one reality is as good as another, and it does not really matter what the true nature of our reality really is, simulation or not, we still have a life to live. 

 

    Ok I got way... way out ahead here. 

 

    Everything in the future will change from an "observer" perspective into an "interactive" perspective with total immersion. People will work in virtual offices, visit virtual places, interact with family and friends at virtual hang outs and vacations, all without physically leaving your home. Entertainment will be no different. Instead of watching a movie or playing a game on a two dimensional screen, a person will immerse themselves into a game or movie and become part of it, with an infinite number of pathways and no fixed ending. Everything we are using and playing now is already obsolete. A.I. will be everywhere and into everything and will run things and manage all the details, leaving our future generations to become fixated and focused on lifestyles that will be mostly virtual. Not everyone though, some groups will reject this and others won't be able to afford it or psychologically cope. If anyone thinks humanity knows how to be responsible with technology, please raise their hand. 

 

    The next step for Warplanes if it can endure will be for the player to virtually be "in the cockpit" and fly from the perspective of actually piloting a plane in a total 360 virtual environment. My point is that 2D screens are already an obsolete technology, we just don't fully realize it yet. 

 

    So what in the world does anything I have said have to do with FlakValley's post? Nothing.... and everything. 

 

Prenzlau

 

Sorry I really have to apologize. Most people are reductionist thinkers, and it is natural for the human mind to always simplify. I'm unfortunately an expansionist thinker and abstract theorist, which makes me 110% annoying. 

 

 

Fasten seat belts. 

Given that there are only two things that are real, consciousness and intent, everything else is a mental construct. 

Inasmuch as everything except those two things is a mental construct making up a consensus reality, we are all connected and we are all both observers and participants simultaneously.  We are not aware of it because this is a side trip with its own rule set, constructed for a specific purpose. 

The quantum boys dug down until there was nothing left to dig and they call what they found at the base...consciousness.  Where's the intent?  In each of us, individually.

This ain't tinfoil country, the research is ongoing.

So WoWP is a game inside a VR inside a consensus reality which may be inside a potentially very large number of other nested consensus realities.  Our science can only go so far before it stalls, which means consciousness has to become part of our scientific mind set.  There's way more to this than Newton, Darwin et al.

Fractals, anyone?

 

( What does this have to do with Prenzlau's post?  Everything.)


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View PostPrenzlau, on 11 December 2018 - 11:23 AM, said:

    The idea and path has always been to substitute the physical reality with the virtual. Eventually the technology will get so advanced that the human mind will no longer be able to discern what is real and what is virtual. Then virtual reality creates virtual realities within virtual realities, like looking into two mirrors, one in front and one behind you, you'll notice the repeating images replicate off into an infinity. 

 

 

    Eventually the original reality is lost and forgotten. The mathematical odds of us (right now) being in that original reality are far more remote than simply being in a spawned replicated simulation. This creates some very interesting paradoxes and possibilities. 

 

https://www.newyorker.com/books/joshua-rothman/what-are-the-odds-we-are-living-in-a-computer-simulation

 

    Regardless, most people will probably agree that one reality is as good as another, and it does not really matter what the true nature of our reality really is, simulation or not, we still have a life to live. 

 

    Ok I got way... way out ahead here. 

 

    Everything in the future will change from an "observer" perspective into an "interactive" perspective with total immersion. People will work in virtual offices, visit virtual places, interact with family and friends at virtual hang outs and vacations, all without physically leaving your home. Entertainment will be no different. Instead of watching a movie or playing a game on a two dimensional screen, a person will immerse themselves into a game or movie and become part of it, with an infinite number of pathways and no fixed ending. Everything we are using and playing now is already obsolete. A.I. will be everywhere and into everything and will run things and manage all the details, leaving our future generations to become fixated and focused on lifestyles that will be mostly virtual. Not everyone though, some groups will reject this and others won't be able to afford it or psychologically cope. If anyone thinks humanity knows how to be responsible with technology, please raise their hand. 

 

    The next step for Warplanes if it can endure will be for the player to virtually be "in the cockpit" and fly from the perspective of actually piloting a plane in a total 360 virtual environment. My point is that 2D screens are already an obsolete technology, we just don't fully realize it yet. 

 

    So what in the world does anything I have said have to do with FlakValley's post? Nothing.... and everything. 

 

Prenzlau

 

Sorry I really have to apologize. Most people are reductionist thinkers, and it is natural for the human mind to always simplify. I'm unfortunately an expansionist thinker and abstract theorist, which makes me 110% annoying. 

 

 

What will be weird is that houses in the future will have a VR stage or room for VR gaming. The idea is to have space to project a hologram like shown in the movies such as  Minority Report or like Ready Player One. 

You will need the space for the equipment and movement.


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View PostFlakValleyExpress, on 12 December 2018 - 07:48 AM, said:

 

What will be weird is that houses in the future will have a VR stage or room for VR gaming. The idea is to have space to project a hologram like shown in the movies such as  Minority Report or like Ready Player One. 

You will need the space for the equipment and movement.

 

    Yes, yes, yes. It does not take long with a little searching on the internet to find all kinds of "future technologies" that are being worked on or have been completed. From nanotechnology to VR, A.I. to robotics. Genetic manipulation to cybernetics. Real "replicator" technology like we have seen on Star Trek.

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/ericmack/2018/03/09/carbon-nanotube-membrane-breakthrough-is-real-world-star-trek-replicator-mattershift/#1556215520fe

 

    Full speed ahead in some areas. The decades that you grow up in seems to psychologically lock you in as far as nostalgia and what feels comfortable. As this future reality manifests, the older generations are not quite as adaptive, as we have seen through history. While I still fumble around with how to properly use my smart phone, my children navigate and control their phones like it is second nature. In a mere 100 years, technology has been accelerating at a fantastic pace. One could spend day after day just reading about certain technological subjects and still have trouble keeping up. The question I always have is this. Is this acceleration of technology simply a cascade effect of so many advancements all benefiting from so many others, in a sense the more you progress the faster everything goes? OR is this incredible technological surge driven by grand agendas? Are we as a species and civilization being accelerated for a purpose. It might very well be both at the same time. Some theorist believe that as we are sped up technologically, we are accelerating toward a defining moment or point in history where we either will destroy ourselves as a species or evolve to become far more enlightened and advanced. When I say "destroy" that does not necessarily mean some sort of apocalypse of devastation but humanity through genetics or cybernetics, nanotech, could become "something else", not the humans we see today but mods. Some transhumanists would argue that it is the destiny of humanity to change and merge with technology. 

 

    I remember back in 1993 agonizing over whether I was willing to spend the money on a Pentium 1 processor PC with a 1 gig hard drive! Seems so utterly ridiculous now. I still have my Atari 2600, and I'll keep it until I die. I still like retro games, the same way I still like music from the 70's an 80's. It always feels like I never had enough time at any given time to really appreciate things, before things changed and adaption was required. Anyone else feel this way?

 

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