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B-17D rear turret No shoot areas are Ridiculous!


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GurneyHalak #1 Posted 09 November 2018 - 02:31 AM

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Gentlemen and ladies,

 

I ground through the operation order for the B-17D. I got it easy enough but the defense guns are USELESS!  Hardly accurate for a B-17.  It is as if the rear stabilizers are attached to the main wing.  You literally cannot defend the plane against an attacking plane from the rear or side in a 95 degree to 85 degree band all the way around.  They are all dead zones which is totally unacceptable. The only way to defend from the rear and side facing guns is to be in a steep bank. Totally wrong and frankly unplayable.  This needs to be corrected immediately or people are going to be really mad about it.  

 

Secondly there is NO Ball turret (Bottom guns) on the B-17G.  That is iconic! How can there not be a ball turret which was introduced into the B-17 line with the E model?  And it is not represented at all on the G model in game?  Are you kidding?  Get your act together on this folks.  You can't be this wrong on such famous and iconic aircraft.  

 

Lastly the B-32?  Why a plane that was hardly used or known over other bombers like the B-24, B-25 and B-29?  Seriously where do you guys decide what planes to model?  So many that actually flew and fought and we get these planes that were experimental that never really were produced.  I think you can do better.

 

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HANNIBAL_LECTER_1 #2 Posted 09 November 2018 - 02:56 AM

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I saw eekeeboo´s stream on Twitch today and the Ball-turret was there.....

 

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Captain_Underpants53 #3 Posted 09 November 2018 - 05:55 AM

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Retractable.  But I agree totally about the blind spots for the turret guns.
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SpiritFoxMY #4 Posted 09 November 2018 - 07:32 AM

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I think there's a reason they revised the turret layouts on the E models :popcorn:

 

Can't say I'm surprised - ball turret and tailguns were only fitted to the E models onwards. The D had no tailgun and only a ventral gondola (like the He-111s) and waist blisters rather than simplified waist gun positions. I was always expecting the D to be a bit weak defensively but I was also expecting it to be tier 4.


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wylleEcoyote #5 Posted 09 November 2018 - 01:11 PM

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View PostSpiritFoxMY, on 09 November 2018 - 07:32 AM, said:

I was always expecting the D to be a bit weak defensively but I was also expecting it to be tier 4.

 

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ElricJC #6 Posted 10 November 2018 - 03:57 AM

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Yeah, it's been a bit of a struggle bus, but also knowing the B-17s the D was going to be weak, but hot damn it is hard to defend yourself in it. Glad it's not just me :P

Grantwhy #7 Posted 10 November 2018 - 01:05 PM

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It's almost like it wasn't designed to fly alone, but to fly in a large formations where multiple B-17D's would be able to cover each others blind spots.

 

:P

 

Don't blame WarGaming for the B-17D blind spots, blame the bloody Yanks for that :D


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Captain_Underpants53 #8 Posted 10 November 2018 - 02:05 PM

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View PostGrantwhy, on 10 November 2018 - 08:05 AM, said:

It's almost like it wasn't designed to fly alone, but to fly in a large formations where multiple B-17D's would be able to cover each others blind spots.

 

:P

 

Don't blame WarGaming for the B-17D blind spots, blame the bloody Yanks for that :D

 

Hey!  I wasn't even born yet! 

 

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Wombatmetal #9 Posted 10 November 2018 - 07:02 PM

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View PostSpiritFoxMY, on 08 November 2018 - 11:32 PM, said:

I think there's a reason they revised the turret layouts on the E models :popcorn:

 

Can't say I'm surprised - ball turret and tailguns were only fitted to the E models onwards. The D had no tailgun and only a ventral gondola (like the He-111s) and waist blisters rather than simplified waist gun positions. I was always expecting the D to be a bit weak defensively but I was also expecting it to be tier 4.

 

If a Dornier 17 and a Heinkel He 111 are 4s, how does a B17d rate a 4? Not being critical, but the fort just outclasses them

 

A PB2Y would make sense



Captain_Underpants53 #10 Posted 10 November 2018 - 07:37 PM

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View PostWombatmetal, on 10 November 2018 - 02:02 PM, said:

 

If a Dornier 17 and a Heinkel He 111 are 4s, how does a B17d rate a 4? Not being critical, but the fort just outclasses them

 

A PB2Y would make sense

 

Actually, so far it rates rather low.  But hard to evaluate at the moment.  It seems to be the bright, shiny new object in the sky everyone wants to fill with holes.
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CorvusCorvax #11 Posted 10 November 2018 - 08:29 PM

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You got that right. My Bf-110C-6 loves it. Stand off to 800m and pound with the 30.

Captain_Underpants53 #12 Posted 10 November 2018 - 11:23 PM

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View PostCorvusCorvax, on 10 November 2018 - 03:29 PM, said:

You got that right. My Bf-110C-6 loves it. Stand off to 800m and pound with the 30.

 

It's way to slow to put any distance between it and the attacker.

 


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