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Prenzlau #1 Posted 05 November 2018 - 04:03 PM

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Prelude - I was going to post this on FlakValley's poll question topic, but that seemed kind of lame, so sorry, so I started a new topic, because the great Prenzlau needs his ivory tower! Enjoy... 

 

Freedom of choice
Is what you got
Freedom from choice

Is what you want ~ DEVO

 

    I'm actually glad you brought this up FlakValley, and I know this was but a jest with your wifey, but since this is a very political time and the Christmas "rush" seems to start the day after Halloween, I thought I would mention a few things. 

  

    I'm not going to say anything bad about Christmas except every single year I spend all my money, sometimes going into debt to do so, to buy gifts for my kids and people, because that is what everyone (well a lot of people, but not everyone) does and then once it is over I'm relieved that I won't have to go through that until the next year. I feel like politics is very much the same way, relieved when it is over. By the way, we are so used to ads and advertisements that for us to really want to pay attention there would have to be some extreme "shock value" and maybe it is only a matter of time before we cross lines and establish new norms. 

 

    Politics, religion, entertainment, advertisements, social media, and yes even games, are all part of what surrounds us, and for the most part we willingly accept or tolerate some or most of it. Things become so normalized that we no longer have any perspective and we keep carrying around the idea that we have some freedom of choice. Swimming around inside the fishbowl is nothing more than an illusion of freedom, and what a glorious aquarium we are allowed to swim in. It has something for everyone. That is the point by the way, "Something For Everyone", like the Devo album that came out in 2010. Some of the lyrics to "We we do". 

 

What we do is what we do
It's all the same, there's nothing new

What we do is what we do
It's turnin' 'round on me and you

What we do is what we do
Just different names, it's nothing new
What we do is what we do
Cause all we do is what we do

Don't do what I do, just do what I say!
"My door does what I say - I say 'open' and it does!"
"My lights do what I say - I say 'on' and they snap on!"
"My car does what I say - I say 'start' and it jumps out!"

"But my dog doesn't do what I say."
"My girl doesn't do what I say."
"My mind doesn't do what I say."
"I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO!"

 

    No matter how involved you are, you are still in the same fish tank as the rest of us, and your perception goes only as far as your perspective allows it. The thought of peeling back the layers and tearing down a few walls is so uncomfortable to us, that we will actually fight for our fishbowl, and aggressively defend against those who would suggest such a thing. If you don't have black or white, you have gray. If you don't have darkness you cannot see the light. You cannot have perspective of anything outside the fish bowl, while you are in the fishbowl. 

 

    During World War 2, a French philosopher, playwright and novelist Jean-Paul Sartre paid tribute to those who fought against the German occupation by writing an article titled "Never were we freer than under the German occupation". It speaks a great deal of freedoms lost, personal rights lost, torture, the psychological trauma and brutality of a military occupation. He spoke of people despite many of the "norms" of their old reality being shattered, still tried to have some semblance of what they had, because that was psychologically comforting and maybe even necessary to hold on. The real truth is in the articles title, "Never were we freer...". 

 

    So what am I getting at here??? My point is that in life it is the moments of stress, trauma, tragedy, loss, when norms are broken or threatened to be broken, that allows us to have a different perspective. It has to be dark so you can see the light. It is like survivalists commenting on how they had never felt more alive then when they were fighting for their lives. Our lives are often so subdued and routine that we lose all perspective on what is actually happening around us. It is what Henry David Thoreau meant when he said, "The mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation, and go to the grave with the song still in them". That was back in the middle 1800's, and how far we have come. Again it takes the dark to reveal the light. What if however your reality is nothing but repeated shades of gray, and you have gotten used to that, all your life. We do what we do but we do not know what to do?

 

    “I will love the light for it shows me the way, yet I will endure the darkness for it shows me the stars.” 

- OG Mandino

 

    I've been controversial and polarizing. I've been extreme with some people, at times crass and seemingly arrogant. It might be truly irrelevant how I really am, but for your own good, I am what I need to be. I am your darkness, will you not embrace me? It is a thankless endeavor from my point of view, but perspective is something often gained in inches, not miles. (and yah, CM's and KM's for our metric friends). I'm fighting for you, even if none of you are fighting for me. Do you not see me for what I am?

 

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Bubba_Zanetti #2 Posted 05 November 2018 - 04:22 PM

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“The sad truth is that the one thing around here is that we can always rely on is broken promises”& WarMagic the Scattering- Ace_BOTlistic_Cosmo █ If a company can't handle the truth based on pixelated facts then they shouldn't be in this industry to begin with. Or stop overreaching at areas where they obviously lack the resources to make a sucess (WOWP)” - ArrowZ_  As it is, this “upgrade” is totally misdirected and completely ignores all player feedback over the past few years.  How this studio continues on with the parent company is a total mystery to me.” - Bobby_Tables  The only thing that will fix this game is for the developers to right click and hit send to trash. - xPALEHORSEx  They've been around a good while and seen a lot of flak so they surely must know what they're doing by now. - Catch21  All wargaming has done in all their games across the board have been stupid and greedy ideas. They are failing as a company so hard. - Veraxu  Maybe Persha should avoid patches with the number 5 in them... - mnbv-fockewulfe  You put the bombsite behind a lock until you get specialist for your bombers? That's just stupid. - comtedumas  claiming victory by fixing your own problems isn't victory, it's low brow chicanery.- TheMadPizzler  Flying games generally don't have broad appeal, and this one has issues and the company tends to pour gasoline those issues, not fix them - _Laserguided_   “I go to RU and (rhymes with git) all over dumb Slavs to express my rage.” - Rando CA  If you want to sell someone a car, you let them take it for a test drive, you don't run them over with it. - Blast_Radius1  My quote + Your signature + Please = Thank You- Prenzlau  Feelings aren't stats, now shut up and go eat tide pods” - Noreaga  “The player online count was removed October 2017 and we don't have plans to return this number to be displayed. That is the decision of the developers team.”- blindfold  After a While it Becomes Tiresome (07.06.15)” - MALICE_AT_BIRTH  “Yes, we can have a place to report all the bugs and then watch as they all get ignored for 6 months” - Gang_Starr █ SonicPariah and blindfold might be listening to us, and sending our ideas along, but Persha sure isn't getting the message.” - CorvusCorvax  They just go on inventing new not-asked-for stuff before fixing what people clearly don't like ...”- GonerNL █ There is a difference between arcade and this roll your face on the keyboard simulator” - Fog_Heavy_Cruiser_Chokai  “The real question of the day: Is there room for one more quote in Bubba‘s signature? I certainly hope so.”- MelBrooks  They had to make some space for your signature” - Marsco


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View PostBubba_Zanetti, on 05 November 2018 - 10:22 AM, said:

 

 

    At this point you are just being vindictive. I spent three days in the dungeons of Barad-Dur for my comments about you, and none of those comments were worth it.

 

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Bubba_Zanetti #4 Posted 05 November 2018 - 04:50 PM

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View PostPrenzlau, on 05 November 2018 - 11:36 AM, said:

 

    At this point you are just being vindictive. I spent three days in the dungeons of Barad-Dur for my comments about you, and none of those comments were worth it.

 

Prenzlau

 

I had no problem with your diatribe, as you say, freedom to post/choose/think.  I only enjoyed 1 day first warning for posting off topic catch-all forum rule.  2nd warning for censorship regarding official bombing feedback thread by our resident WG female emplyeee.  It’s part of the game you refuse to acknowledge yet heartedly participate in.  It was even crazier when they had volunteer mods years ago.

 

Heres some more off topic food for thought:

 

 


 

“The sad truth is that the one thing around here is that we can always rely on is broken promises”& WarMagic the Scattering- Ace_BOTlistic_Cosmo █ If a company can't handle the truth based on pixelated facts then they shouldn't be in this industry to begin with. Or stop overreaching at areas where they obviously lack the resources to make a sucess (WOWP)” - ArrowZ_  As it is, this “upgrade” is totally misdirected and completely ignores all player feedback over the past few years.  How this studio continues on with the parent company is a total mystery to me.” - Bobby_Tables  The only thing that will fix this game is for the developers to right click and hit send to trash. - xPALEHORSEx  They've been around a good while and seen a lot of flak so they surely must know what they're doing by now. - Catch21  All wargaming has done in all their games across the board have been stupid and greedy ideas. They are failing as a company so hard. - Veraxu  Maybe Persha should avoid patches with the number 5 in them... - mnbv-fockewulfe  You put the bombsite behind a lock until you get specialist for your bombers? That's just stupid. - comtedumas  claiming victory by fixing your own problems isn't victory, it's low brow chicanery.- TheMadPizzler  Flying games generally don't have broad appeal, and this one has issues and the company tends to pour gasoline those issues, not fix them - _Laserguided_   “I go to RU and (rhymes with git) all over dumb Slavs to express my rage.” - Rando CA  If you want to sell someone a car, you let them take it for a test drive, you don't run them over with it. - Blast_Radius1  My quote + Your signature + Please = Thank You- Prenzlau  Feelings aren't stats, now shut up and go eat tide pods” - Noreaga  “The player online count was removed October 2017 and we don't have plans to return this number to be displayed. That is the decision of the developers team.”- blindfold  After a While it Becomes Tiresome (07.06.15)” - MALICE_AT_BIRTH  “Yes, we can have a place to report all the bugs and then watch as they all get ignored for 6 months” - Gang_Starr █ SonicPariah and blindfold might be listening to us, and sending our ideas along, but Persha sure isn't getting the message.” - CorvusCorvax  They just go on inventing new not-asked-for stuff before fixing what people clearly don't like ...”- GonerNL █ There is a difference between arcade and this roll your face on the keyboard simulator” - Fog_Heavy_Cruiser_Chokai  “The real question of the day: Is there room for one more quote in Bubba‘s signature? I certainly hope so.”- MelBrooks  They had to make some space for your signature” - Marsco


Martymart1976 #5 Posted 05 November 2018 - 04:53 PM

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+1 for the Thoreau quote!  My favorite.  Are you a Nietiche fan? Think I bungled the spelling a bit.

 

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few people know too much

most people know too little


if the pilot's good, see, I mean, if he's really..sharp, he can barrel that baby in so low [he spreads his arms like wings and laughs],

you oughtta see it sometime, it's a sight. A big plane like a '52. VRROOM! There's jet exhaust, fryin' chickens in the barnyard.


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View PostMartymart1976, on 05 November 2018 - 10:53 AM, said:

+1 for the Thoreau quote!  My favorite.  Are you a Nietiche fan? Think I bungled the spelling a bit.

 

-Marty

 

    With Nietzsche there is a whole lot to delve into. I appreciate his work as I do appreciate so many others. So yes, I guess that would make me a fan. I deal in information, no not like the Merovingian from the Matrix, so there is a great deal of "information" in philosophical thoughts. Anything that changes trajectories is something that is of great interest to me.

 

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Prenzlau #8 Posted 05 November 2018 - 05:07 PM

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View PostAce_BOTlistic_Cosmo, on 05 November 2018 - 10:58 AM, said:

few people know too much

most people know too little

 

 I like it! Hey it's the first time I think I have said that to you! 

 

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Bubba_Zanetti #9 Posted 05 November 2018 - 05:12 PM

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View PostPrenzlau, on 05 November 2018 - 12:07 PM, said:

 

 I like it! Hey it's the first time I think I have said that to you! 

 

Prenzlau

 


 

“The sad truth is that the one thing around here is that we can always rely on is broken promises”& WarMagic the Scattering- Ace_BOTlistic_Cosmo █ If a company can't handle the truth based on pixelated facts then they shouldn't be in this industry to begin with. Or stop overreaching at areas where they obviously lack the resources to make a sucess (WOWP)” - ArrowZ_  As it is, this “upgrade” is totally misdirected and completely ignores all player feedback over the past few years.  How this studio continues on with the parent company is a total mystery to me.” - Bobby_Tables  The only thing that will fix this game is for the developers to right click and hit send to trash. - xPALEHORSEx  They've been around a good while and seen a lot of flak so they surely must know what they're doing by now. - Catch21  All wargaming has done in all their games across the board have been stupid and greedy ideas. They are failing as a company so hard. - Veraxu  Maybe Persha should avoid patches with the number 5 in them... - mnbv-fockewulfe  You put the bombsite behind a lock until you get specialist for your bombers? That's just stupid. - comtedumas  claiming victory by fixing your own problems isn't victory, it's low brow chicanery.- TheMadPizzler  Flying games generally don't have broad appeal, and this one has issues and the company tends to pour gasoline those issues, not fix them - _Laserguided_   “I go to RU and (rhymes with git) all over dumb Slavs to express my rage.” - Rando CA  If you want to sell someone a car, you let them take it for a test drive, you don't run them over with it. - Blast_Radius1  My quote + Your signature + Please = Thank You- Prenzlau  Feelings aren't stats, now shut up and go eat tide pods” - Noreaga  “The player online count was removed October 2017 and we don't have plans to return this number to be displayed. That is the decision of the developers team.”- blindfold  After a While it Becomes Tiresome (07.06.15)” - MALICE_AT_BIRTH  “Yes, we can have a place to report all the bugs and then watch as they all get ignored for 6 months” - Gang_Starr █ SonicPariah and blindfold might be listening to us, and sending our ideas along, but Persha sure isn't getting the message.” - CorvusCorvax  They just go on inventing new not-asked-for stuff before fixing what people clearly don't like ...”- GonerNL █ There is a difference between arcade and this roll your face on the keyboard simulator” - Fog_Heavy_Cruiser_Chokai  “The real question of the day: Is there room for one more quote in Bubba‘s signature? I certainly hope so.”- MelBrooks  They had to make some space for your signature” - Marsco


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View PostBubba_Zanetti, on 05 November 2018 - 11:12 AM, said:

 

 

    It's easy to get my attention, but actually being able to help you is a different story. I already told you what I thought of you. If that made you angry, it was intended to, but mostly because I think it is time for you to progress. I'm nothing more than a "wake call", and it may take some time, but someday you'll will thank me for my effort.

 

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View PostPrenzlau, on 05 November 2018 - 12:24 PM, said:

 

    It's easy to get my attention, but actually being able to help you is a different story. I already told you what I thought of you. If that made you angry, it was intended to, but mostly because I think it is time for you to progress. I'm nothing more than a "wake call", and it may take some time, but someday you'll will thank me for my effort.

 

Prenzlau

 

There’s no effen way you act how you do yet are that simple.  The video link goes to 26:20 where the quote is Ace posted  I don’t need your wake up call or your help you obtuse wind bag.  You apparently need everyone else’s help and attention though.


 

“The sad truth is that the one thing around here is that we can always rely on is broken promises”& WarMagic the Scattering- Ace_BOTlistic_Cosmo █ If a company can't handle the truth based on pixelated facts then they shouldn't be in this industry to begin with. Or stop overreaching at areas where they obviously lack the resources to make a sucess (WOWP)” - ArrowZ_  As it is, this “upgrade” is totally misdirected and completely ignores all player feedback over the past few years.  How this studio continues on with the parent company is a total mystery to me.” - Bobby_Tables  The only thing that will fix this game is for the developers to right click and hit send to trash. - xPALEHORSEx  They've been around a good while and seen a lot of flak so they surely must know what they're doing by now. - Catch21  All wargaming has done in all their games across the board have been stupid and greedy ideas. They are failing as a company so hard. - Veraxu  Maybe Persha should avoid patches with the number 5 in them... - mnbv-fockewulfe  You put the bombsite behind a lock until you get specialist for your bombers? That's just stupid. - comtedumas  claiming victory by fixing your own problems isn't victory, it's low brow chicanery.- TheMadPizzler  Flying games generally don't have broad appeal, and this one has issues and the company tends to pour gasoline those issues, not fix them - _Laserguided_   “I go to RU and (rhymes with git) all over dumb Slavs to express my rage.” - Rando CA  If you want to sell someone a car, you let them take it for a test drive, you don't run them over with it. - Blast_Radius1  My quote + Your signature + Please = Thank You- Prenzlau  Feelings aren't stats, now shut up and go eat tide pods” - Noreaga  “The player online count was removed October 2017 and we don't have plans to return this number to be displayed. That is the decision of the developers team.”- blindfold  After a While it Becomes Tiresome (07.06.15)” - MALICE_AT_BIRTH  “Yes, we can have a place to report all the bugs and then watch as they all get ignored for 6 months” - Gang_Starr █ SonicPariah and blindfold might be listening to us, and sending our ideas along, but Persha sure isn't getting the message.” - CorvusCorvax  They just go on inventing new not-asked-for stuff before fixing what people clearly don't like ...”- GonerNL █ There is a difference between arcade and this roll your face on the keyboard simulator” - Fog_Heavy_Cruiser_Chokai  “The real question of the day: Is there room for one more quote in Bubba‘s signature? I certainly hope so.”- MelBrooks  They had to make some space for your signature” - Marsco


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View PostBubba_Zanetti, on 05 November 2018 - 11:37 AM, said:

 

There’s no effen way you act how you do yet are that simple.  The video link goes to 26:20 where the quote is Ace posted  I don’t need your wake up call or your help you obtuse wind bag.  You apparently need everyone else’s help and attention though.

 

Just for you, so that you know me better....

 

 

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Ace~

 

'Nother butter cow please!

 

:popcorn:

 

 


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View PostCenotaph, on 05 November 2018 - 11:47 AM, said:

Ace~

 

'Nother butter cow please!

 

:popcorn:

 

 

 

    That is getting kinda old and stale. Maybe it is time to make a switch?

 

 

For those who want an alternative to the same old tired replies.

 

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View PostPrenzlau, on 05 November 2018 - 12:58 PM, said:

 

    That is getting kinda old and stale. Maybe it is time to make a switch?

 

 

For those who want an alternative to the same old tired replies.

 

Prenzlau

Butter Yoda sez:

painful, your line of thought is

 


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I don't know.  I kinda like huddling with the lessor mortals at the feet of the Superior Being eagerly scarfing up exquisite pearls of wisdom.  LOL

 

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THE Darker it is the more you change and some time its not for the better

sadly we do change with in  moments of stress, trauma, tragedy, loss, when norms are broken or threatened to be broken ..

We become different ... things  that do  not kill you do not make you stronger they may you stranger

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Edited by sandtiger, 06 November 2018 - 05:52 AM.


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View PostPrenzlau, on 05 November 2018 - 12:44 PM, said:

Just for you, so that you know me better....

 

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absolutely beautiful, brother!      so talented

 

how the eff did you get those doves to hang around...  maybe the wood vibrations soothed their feet?


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View PostPrenzlau, on 05 November 2018 - 12:06 PM, said:

 

    With Nietzsche there is a whole lot to delve into. I appreciate his work as I do appreciate so many others. So yes, I guess that would make me a fan. I deal in information, no not like the Merovingian from the Matrix, so there is a great deal of "information" in philosophical thoughts. Anything that changes trajectories is something that is of great interest to me.

 

Prenzlau

 

I just had a Grandiose Thought!  Possibly if you bloviated less and quit dispensing your version of The World According To Garp to the lesser mortals, you would have more time to play.

 

Then maybe you could take back those Klown Komedy Kompany records.  Hint: You are falling further behind each day.

 

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View Posttrikke, on 05 November 2018 - 06:30 PM, said:

 

absolutely beautiful, brother!      so talented

 

how the eff did you get those doves to hang around...  maybe the wood vibrations soothed their feet?

 

I think he gave them one of his long, rambling life lessons and put them nearly to sleep.

 

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