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Do you thing the American Tech tree needs more planes?

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GonerNL #21 Posted 07 November 2018 - 03:33 PM

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View PostWhiteKnight416, on 06 November 2018 - 05:36 PM, said:

the "Ki-162" is absolutely a German jet

 

And the J8M too ... Me-163 Komet.
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View PostGonerNL, on 07 November 2018 - 03:33 PM, said:

 

And the J8M too ... Me-163 Komet.

 

The difference being the Japanese actually built a few J8Ms, where as the Ki 162 is more of a paper aircraft based on proposals



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View PostHarryVoyager, on 25 October 2018 - 04:13 PM, said:

I also think people would be a bit disappointed with the F6F if they expected a world beater. It was faster than the Zero, but it was still slower than 400mph so in game it would play much more like an enlarged Wildcat; jack of all trades, master of none.

That said, I rather enjoy flying the Wildcat in game and wouldn't be at all opposed to a bigger one at Teir 6, though I hope we would get the cannon version without needing the radar dome...

 

It did 388 so not that much slower than 400. The Mustang, Spit, and F6F were the top three planes in terms of shooting down other aircraft for the western Allies. It was the top plan in the Pacific theater by far

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View PostSpiritFoxMY, on 07 November 2018 - 03:24 PM, said:

I am currently slightly confounded that they chose the Consolidated B-32 Dominator as the tier 7 rather than the B-24 Liberator or simply splitting the B-17s up a bit more

I gave the B-17  wikipedia page a good going over and in truth the line is maybe 3 planes deep as the model had 3 distinct phases of production that would fit from tier 4-6. 
So i wasnt too surprised there.

As for the Dominator choice over the Liberator ... Perhaps the Liberator is being saved for the British teir 7
After all; there are only 3 more slots to tier 10
And they seem likely to be the domain of super heavy bombers. (if they ever can get balanced into the game. something i am really unsure of) Considering the Dominator was designed by  Consolidated Aircraft; this could lead to the B-36 Peacemaker.  And in a game with the Pancake and the Japanese Kyushu line; if i do not see the yB 35 or the yB-49, (Historically speaking; it was the Peacemaker's direct  competition)  imma be very upset.

And with the B32 being designed in parallel to the B-29; I suspect the latter is being saved up as a tier 7 premium to be released with an Enola Gay Paint job and with Tupelov Tu-4 as a russian Premium. (with Tupelovs being the super heavies for tier 8+ russian bombers
Will we see heavy jet bombers like the B47 or B 52? Probably not. How do you balance that?
Maybe in the Command Center bomber flights for tier 10. Only WG knows.
Considering that historically B-50 Superforts were used for Recon flights into the Soviet Union; and as a result, shot down by Mig 15's. So that also seems good suspect for tier 10.

As for lower tiers...
Perhaps Medium bombers like Mitchel and Marauder getting their own designation or a branch of someones Heavy fighter or Bomber lines within the tree.
And treated in game like the A-26 Invader. Namely being better at low altitude (for a bomber) runs than the heavier lines but having smaller payloads (that reload faster) to compensate


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My guess is that they do intend to introduce the Liberator, perhaps as a tier 5 - 6 as well and merge the line at the Dominator which would lead into the Superfortress and then...B-47 into B-52? Or the Convair flying wings? Dunno.

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View PostWhiteKnight416, on 07 November 2018 - 06:21 PM, said:

The difference being the Japanese actually built a few J8Ms, where as the Ki 162 is more of a paper aircraft based on proposals

 

Well, the Germans built and used the original, the Me-163 Komet.

And the He-162 actually saw (some) action. So why did they give us the Japanese prototypes and not the real Germans ?


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View PostGonerNL, on 08 November 2018 - 07:08 PM, said:

 

Well, the Germans built and used the original, the Me-163 Komet.

And the He-162 actually saw (some) action. So why did they give us the Japanese prototypes and not the real Germans ?

 

At a guess, they had them ready to put in with the German planes, but then decided they needed more Japanese planes and ended up using them there.

 

I'm not sure why they could not have had them as both German & Japanese though :p



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View PostGrantwhy, on 08 November 2018 - 11:29 AM, said:

 

At a guess, they had them ready to put in with the German planes, but then decided they needed more Japanese planes and ended up using them there.

 

I'm not sure why they could not have had them as both German & Japanese though :p

 

Its Wargaming's normal mode that when a vehicle, be it a plane or a tank (I'm not 100% sure on the ships) is used by more than one nation, then one nation gets it as a tech tree plane and one gets it as a premium, since the J8M is a premium you could add it somewhere on the German tech tree, maybe as alternate T8 between the 109 G and P1092. My guess for why it's not already there is because it's just too weird to fly.

 

As for the 162, well you could make it a premium on the German line but then you're giving the majority user the premium version.... ehhhh....



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Here's the thing though.  You can always have more than one line of a "class."  WoT does it, Warships will do it with at least the US BBs, so why wouldn't WOWP do it?

 

We're still missing a lot of notable frames like the 24(S), 25(M), 26(L), XB-28(S)(P), 29(S), PBY(L), 36(S), 57(M), 47(S), and not to leave out the B-52 (S).  Plus they still have to add in the Attacker line for the US.

 

The question is, what are the tier 9 and 10 planes?  Will there be a jet branch off from the tier 8?

 

As a note, the B-52 is viable because the F-84 was first flown 2 years after the B-52.  This also means the F-105 and A-3 could be seen in the game as they are also mid-50's airframes.

 

*P-premium

*S-strategic

*M-medium

*Light

 

**The B-26 Marauder compared to the A-26 Invader were used in differing roles.  What is in game now is the A-26 Invader "frankensteined" to be a bomber.


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View PostSpiritFoxMY, on 07 November 2018 - 10:24 AM, said:

I am currently slightly confounded that they chose the Consolidated B-32 Dominator as the tier 7 rather than the B-24 Liberator or simply splitting the B-17s up a bit more

 

I suspect the B-24 and B-29 will be premiums.  

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The B-29 I would hope would be the standard Tier 8 but who knowz

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View PostDouble_O7, on 25 October 2018 - 11:02 AM, said:

I just bought a P51A mustang the other day, gosh it awesome for a stock plane. Anyway, I began looking at other planes in the American tech tree to see if I could find any other cool and well known American fighters. They have the Corsair, The Jug, the Wildcat, The P38, etc., but to my dismay, they lack the F6F Hellcat! Why is such a famous zero killing aircraft missing in the American Tech tree? In my opinion, it would make a fine tier 6 that could come from the F4F, and lead to the F7F. 

 

Another thing I noticed is the lack of American attack aircraft, which were used a lot in WW2. There is SPD Dauntless, the SB2U Vindicator, SB2C Helldiver, A-36 Apache, and the A-31 Vengance. Where are these planes at? 

 

There are no American bombers either. Where is the B24 Liberator? the B25 Mitchell? The B17? The B29? The B26? Where are these at?

 

The only Heavy fighter that I can think of is the P61 Black widow, and the p82 twin mustang. 

 

Are there any others that are missing? Share your thoughts

 

the US has lots of good planes, they are just poorly modeled.  All of them are at least 50-100mph too slow, the Corsair should roll a lot faster, and turning for all the US planes are wrong.  

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View Postcomtedumas, on 11 November 2018 - 09:02 PM, said:

 

I suspect the B-24 and B-29 will be premiums.  

 

Why would they be premiums?

 

I can see the B-24 being in the UK tree, but it would be the same tier as the Lancaster.


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Russian tree will probably have the pe-8s.

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View PostColddawg, on 13 November 2018 - 09:42 AM, said:

 

Why would they be premiums?

 

I can see the B-24 being in the UK tree, but it would be the same tier as the Lancaster.

 

Because there is no place for them in the tech tree.  The B-24 is a American bomber, and was only a lend lease addition to the UK.  The B29 should have been a Tier 7 because a slower T8 B-29 would just get run over by the jets that start at T8.  

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View PostwylleEcoyote, on 08 November 2018 - 06:54 AM, said:

Medium bombers like Mitchel and Marauder

View PostSpiritFoxMY, on 08 November 2018 - 07:35 AM, said:

My guess is that they do intend to introduce the Liberator, perhaps as a tier 5 - 6 as well and merge the line at the Dominator which would lead into the Superfortress and then...B-47 into B-52? Or the Convair flying wings? Dunno.

View PostColddawg, on 10 November 2018 - 04:41 AM, said:

**The B-26 Marauder compared to the A-26 Invader were used in differing roles.  What is in game now is the A-26 Invader "frankensteined" to be a bomber.

 

Totally stoked for the B-26, I hope it's fast as hell. 

A-26 changes sound attractive as well, I was really surprised it was put in as a bomber.  Maybe a tier 7 attack A-26, with the 12 gun nose&kit and a load of rockets plus internal bombs to justify the tier? Casual googling only mentions an 8 gun nose plus 8 more in underwing twin-gun packs.  I don't know if they interfere with the underwing ordnance racks or not.  But I swear I have seen museum examples with 12 fixed MGs, having those twin gun packs mounted on the sides of the fuselage just behind the nose instead of on the wing.  Either way I think an attack version of the Invader should be in game someday.

And I don't think anyone mentioned the A-20 yet.


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View Postbadperson, on 03 December 2018 - 07:27 AM, said:

A-26 changes sound attractive as well, I was really surprised it was put in as a bomber.  

 

The A26 was a bit of a disappointment for me. It's not very good at alt bombing (or maybe it's just me), so I tried it as ground attacker, low level bombing. But it seems a bit vulnerable to AA and the increasing of (your own) bomb damage really put me off.

 

Anybody using it as dive bomber ?? Doing pretty good with the Pe's, so maybe that works for A-26.

 


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View PostGonerNL, on 03 December 2018 - 03:19 AM, said:

 

The A26 was a bit of a disappointment for me. It's not very good at alt bombing (or maybe it's just me), so I tried it as ground attacker, low level bombing. But it seems a bit vulnerable to AA and the increasing of (your own) bomb damage really put me off.

 

Anybody using it as dive bomber ?? Doing pretty good with the Pe's, so maybe that works for A-26.

 

 

Unless they have changed something since I last tried it, no dive bombing capability.  And it used to be decent, thanks mostly to the top turret which rotated 360 and would fire forward.  But they nerfed that.  Why this nerfing of premium planes like the A-26B and the RB-17?  Not exactly my idea of good salesmanship.
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View PostSpiritFoxMY, on 07 November 2018 - 03:24 PM, said:

I am currently slightly confounded that they chose the Consolidated B-32 Dominator as the tier 7 rather than the B-24 Liberator or simply splitting the B-17s up a bit more

 

B-24 would be more or less equal to the B-17G at Tier VI.

I think the B-32 is a good in-between-candidate at Tier VII, because it fills the gap between the B-17 and B-29.
The B-32 was designed as a fallback, in case the B-29 should prove unsuccessful.




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