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vcharng #1 Posted 18 October 2018 - 01:09 AM

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Sincerely, I don't see a reason for the PVE time increase, but if WG insists...

Well, can we at least have a stricter team balance rule for the MM to follow?

Right now we have: (F= flight of two)

T7F+T7 vs. T8F + T7 (the worst case of team imbalance currently)

T7x3 vs. T8x1 + T7x2

T8F + T8x2 +T7 vs. bots (why don't you just add a T8F vs. T8x2 game and let the T7 wait on/ have a PVE?)

 

In fact, now that we have PVE as our last resort, can't we force the MM to actually have a completely fair team balance before a match is made?



Bobby_Tables #2 Posted 18 October 2018 - 01:26 AM

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There is a fine line between wait times and balanced battles.  With the stagnant population of this game, waiting 5 minutes for a "fair" battle to develop would drop the population dramatically.  For a "really, really fair" battle, 10 minutes or more would be required at higher tiers.  Not sure anyone would stick around for that crap.  

 

Asking for more tweaks to the MM is asking for trouble IMO.  

 

Think about it...  The longer the wait time, the more players drop and the wait time becomes longer because there are fewer players and it snowballs from there.  At least nowadays, you are as likely to get on an OP team as you are to get on a potato team.  If the wait times increase in a search for "fairness" they will continue to increase as fewer and fewer players enter the queue.  

 

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vcharng #3 Posted 18 October 2018 - 01:31 AM

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View PostBobby_Tables, on 18 October 2018 - 01:26 AM, said:

There is a fine line between wait times and balanced battles.  With the stagnant population of this game, waiting 5 minutes for a "fair" battle to develop would drop the population dramatically.  For a "really, really fair" battle, 10 minutes or more would be required at higher tiers.  Not sure anyone would stick around for that crap.  

 

Asking for more tweaks to the MM is asking for trouble IMO.  

 

That's why the suggestion came after the introduction of PVE.

In pre-2.0.7.5 you will wait for no more than 1:40 before the MM gives up and gives you a PVE game, I'm not sure why they increased this waiting time, but this shouldn't be done at all.

And although I'm not sure about the new waiting time before PVE game, you won't wait for 5 to 10 minutes anyway. What I'm asking is "fair game or PVE", not "fair game or no game".

 

Oh and one more thing, the MM from WOWP came from WOT, and in WOT developer logs they mentioned that their MM came from NavyFIELD.

And in NavyFIELD the average MM time (when I was playing in 2008-2009) was 10 to 15 minutes during non-rush hour.


Edited by vcharng, 18 October 2018 - 01:35 AM.


Bobby_Tables #4 Posted 18 October 2018 - 01:38 AM

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Maybe I misunderstood, but I actually like the 1-tier mismatches as they make me play smarter if down and make me try to limit mistakes if up.

 

I dunno, I do agree that the extension to wait times might be a mistake if the wait times are too long.  I am fine with the current tier mismatches if it means more humans in the battle.  I would rather fight against humans than bots regardless of being high tier or low tier.  

 

[edit] Does that make sense or did I muddy the waters further?


Edited by Bobby_Tables, 18 October 2018 - 01:40 AM.


vcharng #5 Posted 18 October 2018 - 01:48 AM

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Perhaps my lack of preference towards having more human is due to me being a GAA pilot. But I'll never take "more human" before "fair game".

Hell, I am even fine with a purely PVE WOWP....



poppavein #6 Posted 18 October 2018 - 02:11 AM

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I might wait a couple minutes for a high tier game, before moving to a lower tier where the wait isn’t as long. 


Edited by poppavein, 18 October 2018 - 02:12 AM.


Captain_Underpants53 #7 Posted 18 October 2018 - 08:34 AM

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I finally deciphered the meaning of the phrase "If wait times are too long, you can select another plane.  Most players are playing (and it lists the two tiers below you).

 

It means, in English, "Hold on to your britches, fool!  Here comes a battle with you against  higher tier planes!"

 

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vcharng #8 Posted 18 October 2018 - 10:22 AM

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View PostCaptain_Underpants53, on 18 October 2018 - 08:34 AM, said:

I finally deciphered the meaning of the phrase "If wait times are too long, you can select another plane.  Most players are playing (and it lists the two tiers below you).

 

It means, in English, "Hold on to your britches, fool!  Here comes a battle with you against  higher tier planes!"

 

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Well now we have PVE, and in T8+ planes it is more likely to end up having a PVE match.

trikke #9 Posted 18 October 2018 - 11:36 AM

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great pilots sneer at being downtiered...  it just makes it even more fun for them

 

the rest of us... umm

 

i think my max wait time for a fair match would be 2 minutes, probably maybe


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We know why they increased the wait... too many people were getting bot matches... it shines a light on just how bad this game is doing.
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View Posttrikke, on 18 October 2018 - 11:36 AM, said:

great pilots sneer at being downtiered...  it just makes it even more fun for them

 

the rest of us... umm

 

i think my max wait time for a fair match would be 2 minutes, probably maybe

 

I do have to admit to enjoying the challenge of being T8 in a mostly-T9 battle.  While I don't consider myself even a good pilot at that level, I enjoy having to think about what I need to do.

mnbv_fockewulfe #12 Posted 18 October 2018 - 05:08 PM

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View PostCenotaph, on 18 October 2018 - 04:33 PM, said:

We know why they increased the wait... too many people were getting bot matches... it shines a light on just how bad this game is doing.

 

The more PvE this game becomes, the deader it is.


The real reason for the increase wait times is because RU was getting too many bot battles. 

This wasn't a change made with NA in mind.


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View Postmnbv_fockewulfe, on 18 October 2018 - 09:08 AM, said:

The real reason for the increase wait times is because RU was getting too many bot battles. 

This wasn't a change made with NA in mind.

 

Don't recall limiting the issue to a specific server... I just said "too many people were getting bot matches" , which is exactly what you said. :P

 

 

View Postmnbv_fockewulfe, on 18 October 2018 - 09:08 AM, said:

The more PvE this game becomes, the deader it is.

 

I still think there is a place for PvE in the game... but the devs don't have the juice to pull something successful out of this hat, especially after they took a dump in it.

 

BEM was supposed to be PvE... and that's about the only thing that could save the asymmetrical dumpster fire.  :sceptic:

 

 


Edited by Cenotaph, 18 October 2018 - 05:29 PM.

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