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HoujuuNue #1 Posted 17 October 2018 - 08:38 AM

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  • The number of Capture Points needed for capturing a Stronghold has been increased from 140 to 150 CP (neutral) and from 180 to 220 CP (enemy).
  • Ground targets’ compositions have been changed, their overall armor has been increased.
  • The number of AA guns has been increased to 14.
  • Stronghold AA guns are now armored.


vcharng #2 Posted 17 October 2018 - 08:52 AM

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That sounds like even more of a no-GAA zone to me now. Especially no-German-GAA zone.

GonerNL #3 Posted 17 October 2018 - 09:17 AM

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Sounds as bad as the AA guns in Bomber Escort mode in first weekend.

Doubt if I will fly GA. Even with IL-20 it took ages to take out AA guns.


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vcharng #4 Posted 17 October 2018 - 09:20 AM

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View PostGonerNL, on 17 October 2018 - 09:17 AM, said:

Sounds as bad as the AA guns in Bomber Escort mode in first weekend.

Doubt if I will fly GA. Even with IL-20 it took ages to take out AA guns.

 

Personally I'm not flying GAAs in attrition at all. It's just downright useless there.

But the devs have different ideas and it seems that they thought GAAs are OP... NO, hell no. GAAs are definitely not op, not in any mode, any tier, any map.



GonerNL #5 Posted 17 October 2018 - 09:25 AM

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Agreed ; GA are just cannon fodder ... low, slow and un-escorted. 

Maybe it's time for a GA Escort mode.


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vcharng #6 Posted 17 October 2018 - 09:28 AM

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View PostGonerNL, on 17 October 2018 - 09:25 AM, said:

Agreed ; GA are just cannon fodder ... low, slow and un-escorted. 

Maybe it's time for a GA Escort mode.

 

I think they should simply add a PVE mode where players can only fly GAAs and bombers. And having bot fighters escorting them. More like a GA "being escorted" mode.

GAAs at least have somewhat okay WR in conquest, bombers are just.... non-existent.



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Challenge accepted.

 

GAA-ing these Strongholds in Escort was a piece of cake and my experiences in German GAAs since and fighters on Attrition gives me confidence to hit this thing out of the park. I need to grind Specialist for my 1099B-2 anyway.


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Captain_Underpants53 #8 Posted 17 October 2018 - 03:48 PM

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qu33kKC #9 Posted 17 October 2018 - 04:06 PM

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In the first mode, the initial Stronghold was flipped by the attackers almost instantly in a LOT of my games.  (several player bombers/GAA all taking out one target = quick flip)

I'm not surprised to see it buffed a bit, and will be interested in seeing how the game results differ.



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View Postqu33kKC, on 17 October 2018 - 11:06 AM, said:

In the first mode, the initial Stronghold was flipped by the attackers almost instantly in a LOT of my games.  (several player bombers/GAA all taking out one target = quick flip)

I'm not surprised to see it buffed a bit, and will be interested in seeing how the game results differ.

 

For sure it'll be hell for the German tier 5-6 GAAs, especially now that it was buffed yet again with 2.0.7.5 :ohmy:


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Wombatmetal #11 Posted 17 October 2018 - 06:31 PM

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My Me 265 didn't have a lot of problems with AA kills in BEM.

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View PostGonerNL, on 17 October 2018 - 05:25 AM, said:

Agreed ; GA are just cannon fodder ... low, slow and un-escorted. 

Maybe it's time for a GA Escort mode.

 

what a great idea!


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vcharng #13 Posted 18 October 2018 - 01:03 AM

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View Postqu33kKC, on 17 October 2018 - 04:06 PM, said:

In the first mode, the initial Stronghold was flipped by the attackers almost instantly in a LOT of my games.  (several player bombers/GAA all taking out one target = quick flip)

I'm not surprised to see it buffed a bit, and will be interested in seeing how the game results differ.

 

Last time I played attrition, I didn't observe that, at all.

In fact I don't think I ever saw strongholds being flipped by ground attacks... they are always flipped by air kills.



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View Postvcharng, on 18 October 2018 - 02:03 AM, said:

they are always flipped by air kills.

 

Negative.

I've flown a lot of GA lately and when the team is lucky enough that all GA (humans & bots) attack the stronghold and don't pick the same targets, strongholds can be captured. AA is always priority, it's way too OP in this event (first weekends were OK, but latest update was overdone).

And of course, when both ground and air targets are killed, it's even faster.

 


Edited by GonerNL, 22 October 2018 - 07:39 AM.

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vcharng #15 Posted 23 October 2018 - 07:56 AM

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View PostGonerNL, on 22 October 2018 - 07:37 AM, said:

 

when the team is lucky enough that all GA (humans & bots) attack the stronghold and don't pick the same targets, strongholds can be captured.

 

Which never realistically happens. So strongholds are always capped by air kills, QED.

 

Sincerely when you are asking for something like this, it already shows how biased the design is.


Edited by vcharng, 23 October 2018 - 07:57 AM.


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View Postvcharng, on 23 October 2018 - 08:56 AM, said:

So strongholds are always capped by air kills, QED.

 

Sure man, if that makes you happy :amazed:


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View Postvcharng, on 23 October 2018 - 02:56 AM, said:

Which never realistically happens. So strongholds are always capped by air kills, QED.

 

Sincerely when you are asking for something like this, it already shows how biased the design is.

 

I have capped many strongholds with my bomber.

 

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View PostCaptain_Underpants53, on 23 October 2018 - 04:42 AM, said:

I have capped many strongholds with my bomber.

 

:kamikaze:

 

Bombers don't suffer as much because they reload their ordnance fast enough to spam everything, on top of them not being bothered at all by armored AA guns since they relied on ordnance in the first place, and high altitude AA being a lot easier to dodge than low altitude AA. On my Pe-2s I know I can cap a Stronghold without much issue, but on my Specialist Me P.1099 B-2 I'm not even sure what I'm supposed to do to not die horribly, as shooting the AA guns will get me killed and I don't have enough ordnance to clear them out either :unsure:


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View PostLMG, on 24 October 2018 - 01:15 AM, said:

 

Bombers don't suffer as much because they reload their ordnance fast enough to spam everything, on top of them not being bothered at all by armored AA guns since they relied on ordnance in the first place, and high altitude AA being a lot easier to dodge than low altitude AA. On my Pe-2s I know I can cap a Stronghold without much issue, but on my Specialist Me P.1099 B-2 I'm not even sure what I'm supposed to do to not die horribly, as shooting the AA guns will get me killed and I don't have enough ordnance to clear them out either :unsure:

 

I just blaze through and barely slow down. :P

 

But you know I fly like that regardless of mode XD


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