36 replies to this topic

[wingman4u]

Hammy has a point.  I have several thousand battles also and I know when something does not feel right.  Some days my planes are squishy, other days my firepower is ineffective,  and some days bot targets just keep out of my reach making it difficult to score.  I feel like there is some kind of handicapping going on.  I have managed to maintain my win rate despite it by just calling it a night on those days.  Maybe if WG quit requiring us to fly low tiers for tokens there would be less "seal clubbing" going on.  New players could hone their skills in a better environment and handicapping matches wont be necessary.

[HANNIBAL_LECTER_1]

El_Mulo, on 15 October 2018 - 01:19 AM, said:

The post is not about how he plays,

 

I put emphasis on that because he mentioned it

 

hamhockjones, on 14 October 2018 - 03:29 PM, said:

 I win about 10 percent of the time. 

 

 

"I really don't care if he's good or bad at playing. "

 

Maybe you don´t mind but he does. I find this very important. I think most of his complaints are due to this. He just needs to improve a little to win more battles than he loses, that would change his mood. AND I´M NOT SAYING THAT HE NEEDS TO BECOME AND ACE AND WIN ALWAYS.

 

"He is complaining about an unfair situation that is happening,"

 

Let's analyze what he said:

 

"These game are being manipulated to give new players an advantage" 

 

I DON´T AGREE. New players can meet veterans almost immediately at low tiers and it's the new players who suffer the "harassment" of the veterans...they can cross with BEARSS and Greenbay doing missions at tier 4....and some others veterans too. all the time.

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"Veteran players are having their handling of their planes turned down as well as firepower to give new players a huge chance of victory"

 

I DON´T AGREE. My planes never had as much firepower and maneuverability as now, all my planes have a minimum accuracy of 33% -% 34 plus the benefits of the bonus features plus the benefits of pilot skills, which results in greater damage. I have achieved this: my Mig-15 in Specialist congifuration has an average time turn one tenth of a second faster than my F-86 which is also in specialist configuration...

 

"I even see where our personal points have been turned down" 

 

I DON´T AGREE. My personal scores are between 10k and 20k most of the time, as well as the scores of my clanmates also. (and i´m just a regular player)

 

"My teams lose so often that players get upset when they see me on their team because we are going to lose regardless of performance of team."

 

Yes, teams sucks, but if you are skilled enough and you read the battle well you can lead your team to victory or to an even result. Sometimes you need to carry the team on your shoulder.

 

 "I have played in games where just killing me results in half the sector being destroyed."

 

Yes, that can happen sometimes, that's why you need to be aware of the score.

 

"Most games the other team has half of planes a tier above whatever I am flying."  

 

it's not really a problem

 

 "AA planes attack me in force when we have 7 + planes in sector."

 

That's why you need to learn to check your surroundings, try to avoid tunnel vision...that way you can do evasive maneuvers.

 

You see.. for me all these are things that can be easily improved with some guidance and training.

 

 

"And about puting money in the game, that 's exactly what the money is for: to be expent in what you want."

 

Hey.... he wants to put money into a broken product!!?...No problem... but you have to make that money count, I think that he is lacking the necessary information to use that money properly and take advantage of his aircraft. It's just my opinion, I was not trying to be rude or anything like that.

 

Maybe if he can give us some  battle replays,  we can analyze them and help him.

 

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[Bobby_Tables]

HANNIBAL_LECTER_1, on 15 October 2018 - 12:53 AM, said:

 

Maybe if he can give us some  battle replays,  we can analyze them and help him.

 

 

Battle replays would be helpful.  Especially battles where you think the match was rigged against you.  

Edited by Bobby_Tables, 15 October 2018 - 06:14 PM.

[trikke]

i really didn't see when HHJ's thread pivoted into a 'get gud', but it feels close now

 

my only quibble is the 'i paid a ton of money, so i should win more often'     while that sure seems reasonable to me, there are so many excellent pilots that spend very little 

 

ships and tanks, maybe... i don't know, but certainly not in planes     

 

it's the decisions/choices we make that contribute to our WR, and that's a sad fact         

 

so... spend more money on our brains?     i would jump in line for that, because my decisions have been crappy lately 

[StoptheViolins]

I can consistently finish in the top 3 in all of my matches but still lose because the bots are just derps.... and occasionally my wing humans have worse score than the derps.. so there is that.

[Soylent_Red_Isnt_People]

wingman4u, on 15 October 2018 - 02:44 AM, said:

Some days my planes are squishy, other days my firepower is ineffective,  and some days bot targets just keep out of my reach making it difficult to score. 

I feel like there is some kind of handicapping going on.

It's not just Warplanes:

I've tried over the past >two weeks to get back into playing Warships and excepting a few occasional games (not even that is consistent from session to session) the RNG factor continues to be decidedly lopsided at best.

Teams, and the matchmaker, might as well not even exist.

 

Being shot to pieces, along with the rest of the team, no matter how skilled or unskilled the red ship players while unable to make an effective reply is intensely frustrating and just makes folks quit for the day/night.

Yet there seems to be no rhyme or ''reasons'' why for so many questionable blowouts other than to perhaps allow matches to end faster than they might otherwise have done (server load?).

 

Quite a few folks have fair to pretty good internet; all of those with latency issues plus lack of skill cannot possibly be ''randomly'' ending up so often on the same team(s) - something else is going on.

And it isn't fun, save for a very few who enjoy repeated curbstomps as some kind of ''challenge''.

 

High skillz players have gotten around the RNG issues by means of always playing in divisions, playing optimal for the meta vehicles, and quitting after one to three matches where the game engine has taken a dump.

Fortunately not all of them drop down to club in the lower tiers to fix any losses to their win rates and stats; unfortunately even the few are too many for so small a population.

[MelBrooks]

Ham, let me help you out here. If you're constantly feeling insulted by this game, just go insult your wife. It is much more effective and cleansing than sitting there and playing this game.

[Zinro]

HANNIBAL_LECTER_1, on 15 October 2018 - 12:53 AM, said:

 

"My teams lose so often that players get upset when they see me on their team because we are going to lose regardless of performance of team."

 

Yes, teams sucks, but if you are skilled enough and you read the battle well you can lead your team to victory or to an even result. Sometimes you need to carry the team on your shoulder.

 

 

Pre 2.0 I would have agreed with that statement.  Post 2.0, most players only assist the team in achieving what would probably have been done without you.  Only carries I see now a days, are when someone can hide and not be the last player killed before the bar fills up.  Just because someone may have an outstanding game, doesn't mean the team was carried anymore, since I have also seen players get an outstanding game and still lose.

[Bobby_Tables]

trikke, on 15 October 2018 - 06:24 AM, said:

i really didn't see when HHJ's thread pivoted into a 'get gud', but it feels close now

 

 

Fine, I removed my snark.  I suck, I know it, I embrace it.  

[Bubba_Zanetti]

Bobby_Tables, on 15 October 2018 - 01:14 PM, said:

 

Fine, I removed my snark.  I suck, I know it, I embrace it.  

 

Go easy on yourself.  Put it down to you’re still learning.  You are essentially a T.I.T. (Troll in Training).  We all are really, learning as we troll along.

[El_Mulo]

HANNIBAL_LECTER_1, on 15 October 2018 - 06:53 AM, said:

 

I put emphasis on that because he mentioned it

 

 

 

"I really don't care if he's good or bad at playing. "

 

Maybe you don´t mind but he does. I find this very important. I think most of his complaints are due to this. He just needs to improve a little to win more battles than he loses, that would change his mood. AND I´M NOT SAYING THAT HE NEEDS TO BECOME AND ACE AND WIN ALWAYS.

 

"He is complaining about an unfair situation that is happening,"

 

Let's analyze what he said:

 

"These game are being manipulated to give new players an advantage" 

 

I DON´T AGREE. New players can meet veterans almost immediately at low tiers and it's the new players who suffer the "harassment" of the veterans...they can cross with BEARSS and Greenbay doing missions at tier 4....and some others veterans too. all the time.

. 

"Veteran players are having their handling of their planes turned down as well as firepower to give new players a huge chance of victory"

 

I DON´T AGREE. My planes never had as much firepower and maneuverability as now, all my planes have a minimum accuracy of 33% -% 34 plus the benefits of the bonus features plus the benefits of pilot skills, which results in greater damage. I have achieved this: my Mig-15 in Specialist congifuration has an average time turn one tenth of a second faster than my F-86 which is also in specialist configuration...

 

"I even see where our personal points have been turned down" 

 

I DON´T AGREE. My personal scores are between 10k and 20k most of the time, as well as the scores of my clanmates also. (and i´m just a regular player)

 

"My teams lose so often that players get upset when they see me on their team because we are going to lose regardless of performance of team."

 

Yes, teams sucks, but if you are skilled enough and you read the battle well you can lead your team to victory or to an even result. Sometimes you need to carry the team on your shoulder.

 

 "I have played in games where just killing me results in half the sector being destroyed."

 

Yes, that can happen sometimes, that's why you need to be aware of the score.

 

"Most games the other team has half of planes a tier above whatever I am flying."  

 

it's not really a problem

 

 "AA planes attack me in force when we have 7 + planes in sector."

 

That's why you need to learn to check your surroundings, try to avoid tunnel vision...that way you can do evasive maneuvers.

 

You see.. for me all these are things that can be easily improved with some guidance and training.

 

 

"And about puting money in the game, that 's exactly what the money is for: to be expent in what you want."

 

Hey.... he wants to put money into a broken product!!?...No problem... but you have to make that money count, I think that he is lacking the necessary information to use that money properly and take advantage of his aircraft. It's just my opinion, I was not trying to be rude or anything like that.

 

Maybe if he can give us some  battle replays,  we can analyze them and help him.

 

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I did a little research and discover why are you thinking like you do.  
Simply= You almost didn't play the last 7 days. Only 2 battles and lost 1.

NOW I UNDERSTAND.

 

Edited by El_Mulo, 15 October 2018 - 07:12 PM.

[trikke]

MelBrooks, on 15 October 2018 - 01:01 PM, said:

Ham, let me help you out here. If you're constantly feeling insulted by this game, just go insult your wife. It is much more effective and cleansing than sitting there and playing this game.

 

i regularly click on her Battle button, but the RNG's equally bad for me

[Captain_Underpants53]

MelBrooks, on 15 October 2018 - 12:01 PM, said:

Ham, let me help you out here. If you're constantly feeling insulted by this game, just go insult your wife. It is much more effective and cleansing than sitting there and playing this game.

 

LOL  +1

[HANNIBAL_LECTER_1]

What happens to HAM is nothing new. I randomly chose an old post. Let me refresh some of his comments:

 

"I realize that folks complain and cry a lot when they lose often. This has obviously led to all these new handicaps added to the game."

 

"New players wont understand this."

 

"Been flying for almost 4 years and I am still confused".

 

"The current format is hard to understand and gets boring in a short time..   sincerely  hamhockjones."

 

14 February 2018

 

You can review the post and you will surely tell me that all this is out of context, it seems to me that he has had problems adapting and he will continue to have them. The man has complained since the beginning of time but he keeps playing ...8,000+ battles and counting, and we can expect a couple of thousand more towards the end of the year surely.

And in all the post people have given directions to improve his game. but he keeps playing the same way.

 

If he decides to adapt and keep playing there is a lot of information that he can access and there are people willing to help him. I would recommend him to see  ArroW_Z´s youtube channel, he makes some very good setups and gameplays videos, for example,

but he still complains week after week month after month, which leads me to think that he is just a very stubborn person. No offense intended.

 

"You almost didn't play the last 7 days. Only 2 battles and lost 1."

 

I don´t understand that comment, Do I have a contract that says I have to play every week? Are you suggesting that I'm not playing because I did 2 battles and lost 1..ONE? It is ridiculous.

Unlike other members of the warplanes community I like to play other games. Last month i spent 3 weeks on Wold of tanks, a month before I played Mad Max and Bioshock Infinite. I've been on the European Warplanes server for a while too, have you checked my stats there, too? about that, let me tell you that in Europe there are many people like HAM, They don´t have much idea of how to face battles. You can see people using a bf109 and trying to beat a Japanese plane in a turn, that's weird.

And if I'm not playing a lot  Warplanes now it's because I'm going to spend a season in WT with some friends, not because warplanes have become easier or more difficult.

The game has its bad things? of course, for me one of those things is the new MM, have you read the last Captain_Underpants post "Me against 12 bots?" I don´t like that, not because I have to be alone against bots, it's just that I prefer to play against other humans....What fun is it to play against a lot of bots !? Seriously, I don´t understand why that game is classified as an MMO ...

 

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[MelBrooks]

The real question of the day: Is there room for one more quote in Bubba’s signature? I certainly hope so.

[TaliBandaid]

nwlxn12, on 15 October 2018 - 05:09 PM, said:

 

Pre 2.0 I would have agreed with that statement.  Post 2.0, most players only assist the team in achieving what would probably have been done without you.  Only carries I see now a days, are when someone can hide and not be the last player killed before the bar fills up.  Just because someone may have an outstanding game, doesn't mean the team was carried anymore, since I have also seen players get an outstanding game and still lose.

 

and some teams are just too heavy to carry brother

Edited by TaliBandaid, 16 October 2018 - 01:01 PM.

[El_Mulo]

HANNIBAL_LECTER_1, on 15 October 2018 - 11:59 PM, said:

 

"You almost didn't play the last 7 days. Only 2 battles and lost 1."

 

I don´t understand that comment, Do I have a contract that says I have to play every week? Are you suggesting that I'm not playing because I did 2 battles and lost 1..ONE? It is ridiculous.

Unlike other members of the warplanes community I like to play other games. Last month i spent 3 weeks on Wold of tanks, a month before I played Mad Max and Bioshock Infinite. I've been on the European Warplanes server for a while too, have you checked my stats there, too? about that, let me tell you that in Europe there are many people like HAM, They don´t have much idea of how to face battles. You can see people using a bf109 and trying to beat a Japanese plane in a turn, that's weird.

And if I'm not playing a lot  Warplanes now it's because I'm going to spend a season in WT with some friends, not because warplanes have become easier or more difficult.

The game has its bad things? of course, for me one of those things is the new MM, have you read the last Captain_Underpants post "Me against 12 bots?" I don´t like that, not because I have to be alone against bots, it's just that I prefer to play against other humans....What fun is it to play against a lot of bots !? Seriously, I don´t understand why that game is classified as an MMO ...

 

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What I´m saying is that the situation changed a little last week, for worse, and that you didn´t noticed about that cause you didn´t play. 

That´s all.

IDC about what you do or your stats (IDC about mine so you can imagine).
I think HHJ has a solid point and everyone seem to be blaming on him.

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