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[Halli_SPARTA]

Is there a way to block this mode and go back to previous game modes?

[vcharng]

Halli_SPARTA, on 06 October 2018 - 01:11 PM, said:

Is there a way to block this mode and go back to previous game modes?

 

When the event is on? Yeah, fly at T3 or below.

[Halli_SPARTA]

vcharng, on 06 October 2018 - 02:51 PM, said:

 

When the event is on? Yeah, fly at T3 or below.

 

Ok,

I need to go spend my money on another game as this one is to linear and gives us no other option but move on.

[TaliBandaid]

Too many experienced players using the easy button to win... just flight up with a ground pounder/bomber...  Getting Bombers through is much easier than defending. Fix it. Reduce the number of fighter escorts, or increase the number of bombers that must make it through. And/or... Make the AA targets hard to take out that easily, push the respawn point closer to the "front" as common sense would indicate. 

 

The mode is fun, but without using the "easy button"... win rate for defense is abysmal while you can relax and coast to a win most times when on the attack. 

[Innokenty]

Like I said, if you play DEFENSE and don't chase the bombers then TOO BAD because that's how you win. Have lost many matches playing OFFENSIVE because my fighters chased down lone bots instead of protecting our bombers. Just learn how to play both sides and stop crying so much. Clearly some DEFENSIVE teams get it right more than once.

[TaliBandaid]

Innokenty, on 07 October 2018 - 07:19 AM, said:

Like I said, if you play DEFENSE and don't chase the bombers then TOO BAD because that's how you win. Have lost many matches playing OFFENSIVE because my fighters chased down lone bots instead of protecting our bombers. Just learn how to play both sides and stop crying so much. Clearly some DEFENSIVE teams get it right more than once.

 

lmbo... I'm certainly a guy that doesn't know how to play or win in this game. You must be one of those easy button flights to be so offended to cap lock simple words....

 

[I_Haz_Sky_Tank]

Haven't won even ONE game on defense.

@#$%ing HORRIBLE game mode.

Utter garbage

[trikke]

okay...  both of you are good pilots, and the game is currently balanced in favor of every class except LFs

 

which is a real change, but we adapt to changes, don't we?

[TaliBandaid]

trikke, on 07 October 2018 - 01:36 PM, said:

okay...  both of you are good pilots, and the game is currently balanced in favor of every class except LFs

 

which is a real change, but we adapt to changes, don't we?

 

My point was, until the troll there tried obscuring it... The mode is good, just so unbalanced. I made suggestions that would even the field. Except, the mere suggestion of removing an easy button fires up the 1.9ers and that old strategy of targeting players first and stalling bots was what they called being good. 

 

 

[trikke]

trolls don't compliment skilled pilots very often on this board, but probably, i'm a troll       great nick, btw

 

nope... not trying to obscure your point     110% agreement with your point!    search my posts with the word 'balance' in them

 

it's way too easy for attackers to win...   

 

here's my secret wish: to come up with a strategy to win on defense, but i cannot yet, because i don't notice those little coding bugs that would allow me to exploit

 

others can see them easily, and others are successful right now... which drives me nuts     

 

edit:  i apologize to you both, i've got to change up my tendencies to win on defense, and change is hard for me

Edited by trikke, 07 October 2018 - 02:17 PM.

[vcharng]

Fighters' WR in bomber escort (considering almost always being sent to defense) is, in my experience, about the same as bombers and "pure" GAAs (i.e. excluding those who has some aerial combat ability) WR during the so well acclaimed attrition mode.

So for those of you who are so frustrated about bomber escort mode that you made at least 3 threads on this forum, I have a word for you: "Now you know how we feel."

 

It surprises me, in a very, very good way, that WG is still wise enough to work against the tide to introduce a game mode that favors bombers, attackers and heavy fighters, in a game that there are [edited]who even dared to suggest removing those categories (Not HF, mostly attackers and bombers). 

The mode is a very good wake up call for those LF supremists, a reminder that WOWP is not a game that values dogfights only.

[trikke]

because i'm such a skeptic/pessimist, i immediately assumed that it was a easy way to pump up sales and grinding of bombers and GAs

 

and i immediately did both

[TaliBandaid]

the only way to win on defense is: clear tails, stop getting tunnel vision on the bombers... move through and maul them.. come around, kill an escort and repeat. If you have time, dip down and kill their GAA... keep those AA guns helping kill bombers. Too many going for the fkn score and not thinking past kill the bombers.. Unfortunately, there's a 10-1 advantage for the offense. Mutaflicka's know this too.. that's why there's so many flights of GAA/bomber and fighter/heavy/multi.... it's super easy to get bombers through and all you need is ten. This, like so many other things wowp has done, wasn't well thought out at all..... ah... if only WG would listen to players, and adopt some humility... fk even BP came back and said they made a mistake spilling oil in the gulf, and they're not a video game.... 

Edited by TaliBandaid, 07 October 2018 - 04:34 PM.

[Verm_]

I've decided to just pick out a player GAA and spend the entire match killing him over and over and then waiting at their spawn for him to pop again.

Sure it's a loss but hearing someone raging because they're stuck for over a minute having to wait to get back into the match is worth it.

[Husarski]

So far the score is bombers 38 and defenders 4.

 

Half those "defender wins" matches were because the players on the bombers side were awful. Less than 3,000 pts in a tier VII game kind of awful.

 

[Throffy]

Doesn't seem too much an escort has to worry about, and there's too much a defender has to worry about.

[Xr901]

An escort has to worry if their team is stupid and the enemy team isn't. I lost an attack yesterday, because although there were 2 light fighters, and a heavy on the atttacking team (i was one of the lights), I was the only human who tried to defend the bombers. Despite me spending practically half of the 15 minute battle asking the team to "protect the bombers" in less and less polite terms, the others wanted to try and go capping, leaving the enemy heavies who were working in a coordinated fashion to just obliterate the bomber flights.

Another problem, particularly at higher tiers, is that you get an absurdly high number of battles with just 2-3 players, you can get these groups to work together, however I have found that although you may obliterate bomber flights, sometimes there are 3 at once, so although you might totally obliterate 2, they just have so much HP that the third one will sail right past your ineffective bots. Even if this does not happen and you can get the defenders to work together and attack the bomber flights, I have frequently found that when trying to defend, and actually being reasonably successful, we will still loose, not because the enemy bombers get through, but because we run out of respawns.

All in all, although I know that it is possible to win while defending, I don't know anyone who has gone 10, 20, 50 battles on the defending side and won every time. I do however know people who have done that attacking. I was in a flight and we've gone about 5 hours solid winning when attacking. I don't mind loosing, but when the game mode is this unballanced, **** it, I think I've played half of my total number of attack and bomber battles during this game mode. It would actually be fun to keep playing my F-94d as a defender, and other planes as well, if they had better than a 10% chance of winning. Certainly it'd be more fun that flying as a mixed flight and just auto-winning on the first bomber wave 75% of the time (90% of the time at t9 & 10) but, although I don't actually care about account win rate, I do care about getting materials, and completing the event missions which require wins.

[TaliBandaid]

Xr901, on 07 October 2018 - 05:41 PM, said:

An escort has to worry if their team is stupid and the enemy team isn't. I lost an attack yesterday, because although there were 2 light fighters, and a heavy on the atttacking team (i was one of the lights), I was the only human who tried to defend the bombers. Despite me spending practically half of the 15 minute battle asking the team to "protect the bombers" in less and less polite terms, the others wanted to try and go capping, leaving the enemy heavies who were working in a coordinated fashion to just obliterate the bomber flights.

Another problem, particularly at higher tiers, is that you get an absurdly high number of battles with just 2-3 players, you can get these groups to work together, however I have found that although you may obliterate bomber flights, sometimes there are 3 at once, so although you might totally obliterate 2, they just have so much HP that the third one will sail right past your ineffective bots. Even if this does not happen and you can get the defenders to work together and attack the bomber flights, I have frequently found that when trying to defend, and actually being reasonably successful, we will still loose, not because the enemy bombers get through, but because we run out of respawns.

All in all, although I know that it is possible to win while defending, I don't know anyone who has gone 10, 20, 50 battles on the defending side and won every time. I do however know people who have done that attacking. I was in a flight and we've gone about 5 hours solid winning when attacking. I don't mind loosing, but when the game mode is this unballanced, **** it, I think I've played half of my total number of attack and bomber battles during this game mode. It would actually be fun to keep playing my F-94d as a defender, and other planes as well, if they had better than a 10% chance of winning. Certainly it'd be more fun that flying as a mixed flight and just auto-winning on the first bomber wave 75% of the time (90% of the time at t9 & 10) but, although I don't actually care about account win rate, I do care about getting materials, and completing the event missions which require wins.

 

yawn.. I just hit the easy button, know it, and cannot muster the stones to admit it.  It's so disappointing to see players I know and respected choose the easy button wins to increase their WR's.... 

Edited by TaliBandaid, 07 October 2018 - 06:21 PM.

[Captain_Underpants53]

vcharng, on 07 October 2018 - 09:22 AM, said:

Fighters' WR in bomber escort (considering almost always being sent to defense) is, in my experience, about the same as bombers and "pure" GAAs (i.e. excluding those who has some aerial combat ability) WR during the so well acclaimed attrition mode.

So for those of you who are so frustrated about bomber escort mode that you made at least 3 threads on this forum, I have a word for you: "Now you know how we feel."

 

It surprises me, in a very, very good way, that WG is still wise enough to work against the tide to introduce a game mode that favors bombers, attackers and heavy fighters, in a game that there are [edited]who even dared to suggest removing those categories (Not HF, mostly attackers and bombers). 

The mode is a very good wake up call for those LF supremists, a reminder that WOWP is not a game that values dogfights only.

 

+1

[Captain_Underpants53]

Verm_, on 07 October 2018 - 11:35 AM, said:

I've decided to just pick out a player GAA and spend the entire match killing him over and over and then waiting at their spawn for him to pop again.

Sure it's a loss but hearing someone raging because they're stuck for over a minute having to wait to get back into the match is worth it.

 

Oh are you a bad boy!  +1

 

Edited by Captain_Underpants53, 07 October 2018 - 07:08 PM.