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Bobby_Tables #1 Posted 26 September 2018 - 06:07 AM

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Does anyone else find themselves rejecting the meta?  I used to play Spitfires all the time in 1.X because they were essentially not the meta pixel planes to play.  Now in 2.X, they are.  I love the UK planes.  I am now on a mission that requires either USSR or UK planes for my 10 tokens.  I steadfastly refuse to play Spits because every other player plays Spits. 

 

Maybe it's bias or I am stubborn like a mule.  In every iteration of this game, some planes are meta and some are not.  I take the most pleasure in killing those who play meta planes even if I don't get the requisite win rate.  

 

What are your thoughts?  Do you play the meta because it makes you happy or do you take joy in killing Spitfires?  If the latter, I think we need to create a "kill the spits" subgroup of hard-core killers.

 

Just my thoughts.  And no, this does not come out of frustration.  I have been doing very well in my somewhat-meta La-5 and the like, but just curious what others think of this, what I call plague.   



SpiritFoxMY #2 Posted 26 September 2018 - 06:34 AM

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At one point I formed a Spitfire-hunting squad with my cousin using my Specialist Fw190 A-5 and his Mustang Ia to deal with a pair of Specialist Spitfires farming points down at tier 6. The sad thing was we never encountered them while we were flighted up. Wrong timing unfortunately.

 

But yes - Specialist Skillfires, the plague of the mid-tiers. To be fair, they aren't TOO bad unless you get a Spitfire main in both of them and once the Bomber Meta establishes itself I can see this problem tapering off.

 

I never found the Spits particularly enjoyable. Like most turnfighters they lacked sustained speed to dash from one point to another nor did they have the altitude to deal with heavies and the German Bomb Trucks. They're FANTASTIC at camping a point but they struggle to carry on maps with more than one focal point... like most TnB. They have a better chance of carrying... but not as much as proper BnZ aircraft.

 

I main a Focke Wulf 190 A-5; a plane that's generally considered "non-meta". I also spend a fair amount of time in the 190 A-1 and the BVP215.02 which are about as far off the meta as you can get while still being playable


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LMG #3 Posted 26 September 2018 - 06:47 AM

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In my case I jumped from one Multirole line to the next trying to find something that could deal with the planes the previous plane had trouble with. First I had the Tornado, which could fall prey to the Spitfires if caught off-guard. That made me get the F4U-1 Corsair, which was fast enough to get out of range of a Spitfire before it was torn to pieces. That, however, was an easy prey for Mustangs, which made me progress into the P-47B Thunderbolt, where I can pretty much outrun anything that's not a heavy or another Thunderbolt. Though now I also own the Me 109 TL, which is fast enough to escape from the grasp of the Spitfires, and packs enough of a punch to give them a hard time once I can turn around and engage them :playing:


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Wombatmetal #4 Posted 26 September 2018 - 07:18 AM

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I am flying my P47B Jug and Focke Wulf A5 right now, about to try my Mustang line again. They are just planes that I love. 

 

I wish the He 111 was in the game, only warbird I flew in. 

 

 



Danger_Biskit #5 Posted 26 September 2018 - 12:08 PM

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I usually fly what I like. Which is mostly big gun warbirds. The xfl and yak 9 are my current loves. I for whatever reason am not on the meta train as I don't own a spit save for the spitfire la which was a premium.  It's the same for me in tanks I don't play the meta and when I do, I do horrible.

ElricJC #6 Posted 26 September 2018 - 02:14 PM

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I have a Spit IX, which I got off the Tornado, but frankly I'm not big on the TnB fighters. Coming primarily from GAs early on I tend to prefer BnZ fighters and some Multiroles. Heavy fighters have been a decent fit for me, and I like the flexibility of being able to move from point to point, rather than just lingering around one cap point and trying to farm out that one location. In my GAs when there is a central air base and they have Spits, I usually just give it a wide berth unless I have fighter support and I cap everything else. Makes for simple wins. If I am feeling frisky (usually if I am in my IL-10) I will go fighter hunting when I am left without ground targets or my team really needs the central point, and I will surprise the enemy fighters with a little Tag N Drag action. Four 23mms followed by a 23mm tail gun make short work of fragile fighters :D

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I like to mix things up a bit, I do like some TnB & have 3 Spitfires now (2 free premiums & the XIV) but I generally prefer the slightly less TnB planes like La line, have been playing the Hurricanes & Tornado quite a lot recently (I like their ability to quickly kill GAs & often single pass those damn TnBers)

Bombers are kinda fun/relaxing way to earn some points.

Not huge on GA or Heavies, particularly not Heavies & I've so far mostly stayed away from the BnZ ers like 190s & P-47.

 

And then there is that majestic queen of the sky: the Skua :B


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LMG #8 Posted 26 September 2018 - 05:01 PM

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View Posthoom, on 26 September 2018 - 10:47 AM, said:

I like to mix things up a bit, I do like some TnB & have 3 Spitfires now (2 free premiums & the XIV) but I generally prefer the slightly less TnB planes like La line, have been playing the Hurricanes & Tornado quite a lot recently (I like their ability to quickly kill GAs & often single pass those damn TnBers)

Bombers are kinda fun/relaxing way to earn some points.

Not huge on GA or Heavies, particularly not Heavies & I've so far mostly stayed away from the BnZ ers like 190s & P-47.

 

And then there is that majestic queen of the sky: the Skua :B

 

The Skua really feels a lot better in 2.0 than it did back in 1.x, to the point I even got a bombkill on the thing :medal:


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CorvusCorvax #9 Posted 26 September 2018 - 06:20 PM

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I fly heavy fighters, mostly.  Some GA, some bomber, and not very many TnB plane battles lately.  I like hunting Spits - stooping down on a distracted pilot with my Me-410 is VERY satisfying.  Sending a Spit down with my Do-335 is even more satisfying.  

ClosedCoffin #10 Posted 26 September 2018 - 06:57 PM

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I like flying Spitfires but I love killing Spitfires.

Coming out alive at the end of a 5+ loop turn fight against one feels great.

 

I really like the La-5 though and play it more often then my Spits.

Those 3 cowling mounted 20s are quite deadly and it's has a decent turn rate as well.

 

Good TnB fighters (if they have decent guns) are the planes that seem to give me a positive effect on winning and I really hate losing so I stick with them.

Many experienced players warn about this effect as a game crutch and I have to agree with them.

I'm slowly moving into the Heavy Fighter arena but I just acquired a Spit XIV so the Heavys will have to wait a bit while I grind it to Specialist.:B

 



Xr901 #11 Posted 26 September 2018 - 08:30 PM

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I don't know. I do fly a lot of meta airplanes, I've got 768 battles in spitfires. That being said, do I fly them because they're meta? no... I fly them because I enjoy them, same with everything I fly for any length if time (I will admit I'm only grinding the T8 mustang now to get the T9 & 10, I hate it). I went up the spitfire line first because I'm Canadian, had many relatives in the RCAF, and wanted to play some spits and hurricanes (2nd line i went up). 
That's one thing I like about this game, it's more relaxed so I can fly what I want most of the time and still do okay. As to the meta thing, well I can say that I haven't rushed up the GAA trees past t5 so I have no high tier GAAs, if you know what you're doing they can be just stupidly good. I also didn't play my RB-17 until after the "bomber nerf" in 2.0.6 when it lost the broken boost. I've just played meta fighters because I liked them.

As to "non-meta" well, I just acquired the t6 Jug after not playing the t5 since before 2.0.5 and I have to say, I have recently fallen for this line... its just fun for me now... I've played the corsair line as well, and given what most multiroles have to give up, very few are "meta" although they are often very good. I also love my Mustang Mk.1a and my hurricanes, all 4 of them, as well as the meteor.

In general I greatly prefer the real warbirds to those that never existed, and I tend to fly them, the same with tanks in WoT. It just turns out there are real vehicles not just russian prototypes or design drawings that are actually good in this title. 

 

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MadJackChurchil #12 Posted 26 September 2018 - 10:43 PM

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View PostBobby_Tables, on 26 September 2018 - 06:07 AM, said:

Does anyone else find themselves rejecting the meta?  I used to play Spitfires all the time in 1.X because they were essentially not the meta pixel planes to play.  Now in 2.X, they are.  I love the UK planes.  I am now on a mission that requires either USSR or UK planes for my 10 tokens.  I steadfastly refuse to play Spits because every other player plays Spits. 

 

Maybe it's bias or I am stubborn like a mule.  In every iteration of this game, some planes are meta and some are not.  I take the most pleasure in killing those who play meta planes even if I don't get the requisite win rate.  

 

What are your thoughts?  Do you play the meta because it makes you happy or do you take joy in killing Spitfires?  If the latter, I think we need to create a "kill the spits" subgroup of hard-core killers.

 

Just my thoughts.  And no, this does not come out of frustration.  I have been doing very well in my somewhat-meta La-5 and the like, but just curious what others think of this, what I call plague.   

 

A philosophical question (I have been reading too many Pretzlau's posts recently): what does "being meta" mean for plane? It only means it will be easier to achieve the dominant goal in the game. If its easier to achieve the dominant goal playing certain planes, more people will do so and it will become "meta". Since spits are meta, it suggests the dominant goal for most of players is killing planes - which is understandable, since its world of...warplanes.... It also suggests the goal is not to necessarily win the games, as GAA or bombers can be more effective in capping and thus winning.

 

So the questions are:

1.what do you find the most fun doing in the game?

2.Do you like to do it easy, or you like challenge although it can (and will) make you fail more often at the start?

 

My guess is, people at this forum are above-average committed to the game - thats why they browse the forums, rather than jerking off. Thus they will most likely answer "no' to my second question, and there will be variable opinions about Q1.

 

So, no, most people here will not play only meta planes.

Personally I play planes that are (mostly) based in history, (mostly) look pretty and which offer variable experience. If its not in meta, whatever, it motivates me to get better in the game. Or to quit playing and spend time with my wife :popcorn:

 


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ComradeZ #13 Posted 27 September 2018 - 01:32 AM

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I'm not a fan of this Shitfires either. I like the German one tho!

Wombatmetal #14 Posted 27 September 2018 - 02:27 AM

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View PostMadJackChurchil, on 26 September 2018 - 02:43 PM, said:

 

A philosophical question (I have been reading too many Pretzlau's posts recently): what does "being meta" mean for plane? It only means it will be easier to achieve the dominant goal in the game. If its easier to achieve the dominant goal playing certain planes, more people will do so and it will become "meta". Since spits are meta, it suggests the dominant goal for most of players is killing planes - which is understandable, since its world of...warplanes.... It also suggests the goal is not to necessarily win the games, as GAA or bombers can be more effective in capping and thus winning.

 

So the questions are:

1.what do you find the most fun doing in the game?

2.Do you like to do it easy, or you like challenge although it can (and will) make you fail more often at the start?

 

My guess is, people at this forum are above-average committed to the game - thats why they browse the forums, rather than jerking off. Thus they will most likely answer "no' to my second question, and there will be variable opinions about Q1.

 

So, no, most people here will not play only meta planes.

Personally I play planes that are (mostly) based in history, (mostly) look pretty and which offer variable experience. If its not in meta, whatever, it motivates me to get better in the game. Or to quit playing and spend time with my wife :popcorn:

 

 

 

I think you have the notion of "meta" off a skiff. The meta is always to shoot down planes. Pre 2.0 what I gather the meta was energy tactics. The current meta is turning, and Spits are the best combination of fire power, turning, and ruggedness in the turning game. At some point the meta will shift, it always does in my experience, and Spits will no longer be top dog.

 

1 - What I like in the game are the multi roles. My Jug and Butcher Bird. I like being able to use my speed and hop over to that cap, drop a bomb, and turn the cap. I like using my speed to shoot down other planes and run away. I actually do better in dogfights in energy fighters than TnB. It fits my play style.

 

I enjoy the versatility. 

 

2 - Doing it easy or challenging is not a factor for the most part. Flying a Jug may be more challenging, but if it wasn't, I'd probably still fly a Jug.

 

Now what makes me lose my mind since 2.05 is the uneven playing field. A Tier 6 LF needs 70 enemy planes shot down in a victory to win spec. My Jug needs 20,000 points defeating enemy planes in a victory, which translates to 100 planes shot down. The 2.05 meta tilts the scales to LF as making spec is a lot easier. The imbalance drives me crazy. not easy or hard. It's a fairness question.  Look at the Dornier 217m and see how many planes you need to shoot down with your tail gunner for spec. This not the RB17 with it's cannon in the rear. Yeah. That's what makes me crazy



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And here I thought heavy planes like the me410 were the meta since they can destroy multiple shitfires in a pass.

GonerNL #16 Posted 28 September 2018 - 12:26 PM

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I love the anti-Spitfire sentiment here :trollface:

 

To be honest, I have most of 'm, but fly them less and less ... like you say, every other plane seems to be a Spit these days.

Instead I specced my A7M and try to lure Spits into a turnfight !! Below 1500 meters preferably ...


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I like my Spitfire... because of Eddie, you know :P




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