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[Captain_Underpants53]

Deltavee, on 23 September 2018 - 10:19 PM, said:

 

DEFINITELY not wrong! 

There are those of us who enjoy the vintage aircraft and play them regularly.  I have around 89 hours, 723 battles in the game and it's all T1 to T4, with the exception of one T5 aircraft, an IL-2(com) which I fly because I love ground attack.  I'm retired, I play pretty much daily, and I have the rest of my life to play this godforsaken game if I want to so I don't sweat the climb up the tier ladder.  I'll pick them off one at a time, as and when I feel like it.

 

The ninnies who poke fun at you for flying the lower tiers are just woofing so they can impress themselves.  Let them pump up their eggshell-delicate egos by trying to make themselves feel better about themselves by trying to make other people lesser than them in their own minds so they can feel better than.  They know they aren't, and what's driving them is called fear and most of them don't know it.  Leave them to stew in their own juices.

 

Screw 'em, and have fun.  It's just a freakin' game.  Knock yourself out, man and never cave to peer pressure because it's lowest common denominator bulls hit, always.  Believe me, they don't have your best interests at heart, only their own.

Cheers,

DTV

Very true!  +1

[Captain_Underpants53]

Chuck_norris10, on 22 September 2018 - 08:55 PM, said:

 

Over 2000 rocket kills in that bird when rocket kills at 1500 meters were cool.

Ignore the troll, dude.  He has been on my case steady ever since I took his record in the HOF and made it mine.

 

He has gone so far as to, twice, try to browbeat me into quitting the game.  Wouldn't it be better to cowboy up and work to get it back?  

 

But no.  The only motivation I can figure out for the trolls is that they want everyone to be as miserable as they are.  In any case, it shows real............

[Chuck_norris10]

Captain_Underpants53, on 23 September 2018 - 10:53 PM, said:

Ignore the troll, dude.  He has been on my case steady ever since I took his record in the HOF and made it mine.

 

He has gone so far as to, twice, try to browbeat me into quitting the game.  Wouldn't it be better to cowboy up and work to get it back?  

 

But no.  The only motivation I can figure out for the trolls is that they want everyone to be as miserable as they are.  In any case, it shows real............

 

ya and he even got my stats wrong but thats ok..I stopped counting rocket kills when my bomb kills passed them. At this stage of the game stats mean nothing anyways but I always found it to be quite childish on the part of the certain players that did religiously follow everyone's stats....like a stalker. Not sure where he got his stats from though but I always maintained a 49.9% WR and a 100% FR(fun rate) which is the only stat that matters to me. You must remember this game wasent marketed to the older generation that has lots of money or to pilots who would love this game but to mainly gamers and kids and the maturity level of the game shows as does the population and income.Chances are good he took a few of my rockets to the face and has been butthurt ever since and that makes me smile.

 

[trikke]

Deltavee, on 23 September 2018 - 11:19 PM, said:

The ninnies who poke fun at you for flying the lower tiers are just woofing so they can impress themselves.  Let them pump up their eggshell-delicate egos by trying to make themselves feel better about themselves by trying to make other people lesser than them in their own minds so they can feel better than.  They know they aren't, and what's driving them is called fear and most of them don't know it.  Leave them to stew in their own juices.

 

  Believe me, they don't have your best interests at heart, only their own.

 

i might have missed it... but i didn't see anyone poking fun at him for flying low tiers, and we certainly agree that it's fun and that we can all fly whatever tier we want

 

all i'm asking is to leave genuinely new folks alone...  please take a quick look at the tab key roster before pulling the trigger?

 

if their score is high, then pop them     if it's not, consider pulling off?

 

vets raping new players is unfair, even though it was done to every one of us

 

this is a hard game to learn... please allow new folks the chance to figure out what they're doing wrong?

Edited by trikke, 26 September 2018 - 12:53 AM.

[Jack_Pelter_The_Chicken]

trikke, on 25 September 2018 - 02:39 PM, said:

 

i might have missed it... but i didn't see anyone poking fun at him for flying low tiers, and we certainly agree that it's fun and that we can all fly whatever tier we want

 

all i'm asking is to leave genuinely new folks alone...  please take a quick look at the roster before pulling the trigger?

 

if their score is high, then pop them     if it's not, consider pulling off?

 

vets raping new players is unfair, even though it was done to every one of us

 

this is a hard game to learn... please allow new folks the chance to figure out what they're doing wrong?

 

could you please tell me how you know in the roster,who is new and who is an experience player

thankyou

[NovaTempest]

trikke, on 25 September 2018 - 02:39 PM, said:

 

i might have missed it... but i didn't see anyone poking fun at him for flying low tiers, and we certainly agree that it's fun and that we can all fly whatever tier we want

 

all i'm asking is to leave genuinely new folks alone...  please take a quick look at the roster before pulling the trigger?

 

if their score is high, then pop them     if it's not, consider pulling off?

 

vets raping new players is unfair, even though it was done to every one of us

 

this is a hard game to learn... please allow new folks the chance to figure out what they're doing wrong?

 

I would do this if I could tell without a shadow of a doubt who is a newbie and who isnt when flying solo, I will go after other specialist planes with reckless abandon over others, and at times i'll try to play nice with players on the other team, and only massacre the bots. But if they turn on me... well...
dont expect me to play sitting duck.

that said i dont mind flighting up with newbies at all, I flew with Suprspi last night, a player from the beta who just came back recently, and he was fantastic, 2/3 battles won and he kept up with me pretty well on score. Just because a person is new to the game doesn't mean i'm just going to shrug them off.

Edited by NovaTempest, 25 September 2018 - 05:51 PM.

[Reitousair]

What you're doing is wrong. But why you do it isn't.

 

Currently flying low-tiers -especially with the recent steam release- means you're likely abusing people who are still learning the game. Even if they attack you (in which case you have every right to fight back,) they still likely have little clue what they're doing. So you are seal clubbing, but there's no new player protection and TONS of incentives to fly at low-tiers; it all comes down to motivation to determine who's being a scumbag and who's just trying to have fun with the game.

 

If you were bragging about statistics and how you're so awesome when you are giving new players hell, yeah no, don't think so. But if you're just flying low-tiers because you enjoy them then there's nothing wrong with that motive. It's just unfortunate that for you to have your fun it puts the new guys who also want to have fun at risk of getting obliterated by a more experienced pilot right out of the gate, which usually isn't fun.

 

But, hey, maybe you can meet some new players and give them some pointers on how to fly, yeah?

Edited by Reitousair, 25 September 2018 - 11:19 PM.

[SpiritFoxMY]

trikke likes to ignore the players at tiers 1, 2 and 3 and focus on killing bots until said players exceed the 3k PP mark thereabouts. Then they're fair game.

 

Personally, I have no such scruples unless the guy is actively demonstrating frustration.

[trikke]

vets usually reach that 3k score about halfway through the battle, so it's so easy to tell who knows what they're doing

 

even if a new guy tries to shoot me, it's no time to panic      if i cannot evade, then he deserves the kill

 

please give some new guy a break today?         if they can last a month, then maybe they'll get hooked?

 

 

[Deltavee]

Here's a thought on how to introduce new players to the game without them being shredded into a seething mass of ragequit:

 

How about a parallel set of sandbox tiers, maybe I to III, where new players can cut their teeth on each other (never mind the minimum number of players per side, maybe even no sides, and no bots) with stone stock aircraft, replete with how-to vids and whatever other teaching aids WG normally makes available?  After x number of battles, you get punted into Tier 1 with all your stuff and start slashing and hacking for real?  No do-overs.

 

And NO dangling goodies for bucks in front of them by WG!  Save that for the regular tiers.

 

No specialist grind available, you can only beef up your planes once you start in the regular tiers, and no players ( seal clubbers, vets looking to farm whatever, etc.) from other parts of the game get any form of access to the sandbox.  If you want to coach a buddy you brought in, do it outside of the game. 

 

This is to be strictly a newby club with a ticking clock in the form of the number of battles fought as the sole criterion for residence.  No side details like how many battles in what types of aircraft or anybody's pet crap to muddy the waters; you fight a certain amount of battles in whatever stock birds you choose to fly, switch up on the aircraft types as you wish, then when you hit the limit you're out in the "real world." 

 

If you want to jump into the regular game before you get booted out of the sandbox that's fine but you get to keep your unused sandbox battles and can go back to the sandbox any time until they are used up.

Another possibility to consider could be the amount of time you accumulate flying in battles instead of a certain number of battles...to the nearest completed battle, of course.

You know, kindergarten...with guns...and no adults.  Just like real life.

 

It's just an idea and I'm sure a sandbox has to have come up in the past, but...hack away at it. 

We've all read posts by regulars who brought a friend into the game only to have them quit almost immediately, so I would suggest something has to be done.  If you have a better idea, lay it out.

 

 

Edited by Deltavee, 26 September 2018 - 04:01 AM.

[Captain_Underpants53]

Totally on board with this idea!  +1

[Deltavee]

Captain_Underpants53, on 25 September 2018 - 10:00 PM, said:

Totally on board with this idea!  +1

 

Thanks.  You appear to be the only person who has read it.  

[trikke]

i read it end-to-end and i agree completely...   it would be a fantastic idea, and wowp would leapfrog over WT in the race for new players

 

i would enlarge the sandbox to at least tier 4, maybe even 5, so that new folks could get a good taste of what's coming

[TaliBandaid]

Deltavee, on 27 September 2018 - 12:30 AM, said:

 

Thanks.  You appear to be the only person who has read it.  

 

Some games already do that very thing. BSGO comes to mind first. You have to have completed so many tasks and kills before you're allowed to go out into the deep end. I think WG likes keeping their player base riled up. pissed off people spend more... but don't hang around long. 

 

Also, maybe wowp might want to consider this as well... if you're playing above t4 and don't know what you're doing. tough!.. that can be a great way to learn not to fk things up..

 

Edited by TaliBandaid, 30 September 2018 - 01:40 AM.

[CorvusCorvax]

I like Deltavee's idea.  Recently, I have only gone down to the low tiers to farm salvage and do missions for tokens.  Some of the battles have taken on an anti-sealclubbing aspect when I find folks who are flying specialist premiums and are trying to rack up kills.

 

Specialist at T1-3?  Fair game.  Premium at T1-3?  Fair game.  Targeting me when I'm shooting up ground targets?  Fair game.

 

I want the new folks to stay, yes.  But I also need tokens and salvage parts.  So, it's not wrong to play in the low tiers, but being careful about who you are shooting down is worthwhile.

[Deltavee]

CorvusCorvax, on 30 September 2018 - 02:42 PM, said:

I like Deltavee's idea.  Recently, I have only gone down to the low tiers to farm salvage and do missions for tokens.  Some of the battles have taken on an anti-sealclubbing aspect when I find folks who are flying specialist premiums and are trying to rack up kills.

 

Specialist at T1-3?  Fair game.  Premium at T1-3?  Fair game.  Targeting me when I'm shooting up ground targets?  Fair game.

 

I want the new folks to stay, yes.  But I also need tokens and salvage parts.  So, it's not wrong to play in the low tiers, but being careful about who you are shooting down is worthwhile.

 

I'm of much the same mind.

I don't mind giving a low PP pilot a break unless HE jumps ME, then it's gloves off of course and getting air kills with a GAA isn't easy even when the opponent is new, turret gunner regardless.  It's even harder in a GAA with no tail gunner, so I do get shot down a tad....

Having specialist wings incorporated into your battle icon sure draws attention during a mission, doesn't it?

 

[trikke]

CorvusCorvax, on 30 September 2018 - 03:42 PM, said:

I like Deltavee's idea.  Recently, I have only gone down to the low tiers to farm salvage and do missions for tokens.  Some of the battles have taken on an anti-sealclubbing aspect when I find folks who are flying specialist premiums and are trying to rack up kills.

 

Specialist at T1-3?  Fair game.  Premium at T1-3?  Fair game.  Targeting me when I'm shooting up ground targets?  Fair game.

 

I want the new folks to stay, yes.  But I also need tokens and salvage parts.  So, it's not wrong to play in the low tiers, but being careful about who you are shooting down is worthwhile.

 

that is a great idea...  flighted bouncers in low tiers purposely watching for professional seal clubbers, kinda like a neighborhood watch group 

 

it wouldn't take long until the salty tears would flow, but the sc-er would just rage-quit and come back the next day in low tiers again 

 

sc-ers have sc-ing buried deep in their DNA, so they just cannot stop... ever          maybe someone hurt them as a child, and that red rage never goes away, probably

 

are seal-clubbers experiencing the same high that serial killers get?            am i overthinking this?

Edited by trikke, 01 October 2018 - 02:37 PM.

[Captain_Underpants53]

Maybe a little.  Flying bombers takes the guilt out of the lower tiers.

 

You can go about your business, peacefully bombing innocent civilians into submission.  ONLY when the victim of an unprovoked, vicious attack by a seal can you club them!

 

[Prenzlau]

Captain_Underpants53, on 23 September 2018 - 11:53 PM, said:

Ignore the troll, dude.  He has been on my case steady ever since I took his record in the HOF and made it mine.

 

He has gone so far as to, twice, try to browbeat me into quitting the game.  Wouldn't it be better to cowboy up and work to get it back?  

 

But no.  The only motivation I can figure out for the trolls is that they want everyone to be as miserable as they are.  In any case, it shows real............

 

    Quantity is not a replacement for quality. Your only soap box moment is when you wave that record like a flag and try and belittle a true bombing legend. I hope you sleep with your record under your pillow, keep it safe for when I come for it sometime in the future. 

 

Prenzlau

[Captain_Underpants53]

Prenzlau, on 01 October 2018 - 11:52 AM, said:

 

    Quantity is not a replacement for quality. Your only soap box moment is when you wave that record like a flag and try and belittle a true bombing legend. I hope you sleep with your record under your pillow, keep it safe for when I come for it sometime in the future. 

 

Prenzlau

 

You are sure taking your time about it.