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The Proper Uses of "Git Gud" and "Adapt and Overcome"


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mnbv_fockewulfe #1 Posted 18 September 2018 - 03:26 PM

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Git gud is used for when someone complains that the game should be made easier because of their lack of skill.

 

Adapt and overcome is for when the meta of the game changes and the tactics employed by the player must also change in order for him to win. 

 

Git gud is not applicable in the face of broken mechanics, however adapt and overcome is. 

 

Within the context of the game, someone may rightly tell you to git gud if your shooting, split second decision making, and flying skills are poor and you complain about the game being too hawd. 

 

Someone may rightly tell you to adapt and overcome if you are losing against specialist planes, for example, and lack a specialist plane yourself. Your solutions to this problem could be targeting specialists first, getting a specialist yourself, or flying certain counter planes.

 

Git gud has the advantage of being possible in any plane. The better stats of the plane, the easier it is to git gud in that plane, while the worse the stats, the harder to git gud but the more rewarding it is. 

 

Adapt and overcome requires the player to nearly exploit the game to the purpose of winning. This necessitates using meta planes, exploiting game mechanics, using meta equipment, and disregarding the amount of fun you are having.

 

The failure of a player to git gud or adapt and overcome may cause a player to quit. 

The solution to this is to provide proper training for new recruits and to stop changing the fundamentals of the game every 2 months. 


Edited by mnbv_fockewulfe, 18 September 2018 - 03:37 PM.

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Cenotaph #2 Posted 18 September 2018 - 03:35 PM

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Nicely put.
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trikke #3 Posted 18 September 2018 - 08:07 PM

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i'm just not a 'git gud' kind of guy...  

 

but i've wanted to say 'adapt and overcome' often, but have refrained about 99.9% of the time

 

i'm not perfect 

 

 


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_Bruiser_ #4 Posted 18 September 2018 - 08:07 PM

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Martymart1976 #5 Posted 18 September 2018 - 08:19 PM

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I guess I am "old school".  I don't whine when I lose.  I don't blame others when I lose. I don't call people hackers or cheaters.  I do get discouraged sometimes at my performance, but it only drives me to improve myself..I don't lord it over someone when we absolutely smash an enemy team. I say "good game" win or lose and I move on.  I guess I am from a less antagonistic, less inflammatory age...

 

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wscarter007 #6 Posted 18 September 2018 - 09:25 PM

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Same here Marty, it's a game if you get frustrated it's time to take break. 

BuffaloTime #7 Posted 18 September 2018 - 09:51 PM

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View PostMartymart1976, on 18 September 2018 - 03:19 PM, said:

I guess I am "old school".  I don't whine when I lose.  I don't blame others when I lose. I don't call people hackers or cheaters.  I do get discouraged sometimes at my performance, but it only drives me to improve myself..I don't lord it over someone when we absolutely smash an enemy team. I say "good game" win or lose and I move on.  I guess I am from a less antagonistic, less inflammatory age...

 

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Captain_Underpants53 #8 Posted 19 September 2018 - 12:02 AM

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I think a lot of the frustration and whining from new players (and some older ones) is because they never learned to lose.  In a game like this no one is going to win every time.  Losing is an absolute necessity to game play.  How many of us would play this if we knew we were going to win every single battle?  How boring would that soon get to be?
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CorvusCorvax #9 Posted 19 September 2018 - 04:25 AM

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It's not an "or".

 

It's an "and".

 

Git gud AND adapt and overcome.



SonicPariah #10 Posted 19 September 2018 - 09:42 PM

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mnbv_fockewulfe #11 Posted 19 September 2018 - 10:44 PM

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View PostCorvusCorvax, on 19 September 2018 - 04:25 AM, said:

It's not an "or".

 

It's an "and".

 

Git gud AND adapt and overcome.

 

I disagree.

A player that has achieved git gud but cannot overcome the meta will quit (I am an example of this).

A player that understands the meta but can't for a fig improve his gaming skills will quit.


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Bobby_Tables #12 Posted 20 September 2018 - 04:17 AM

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Wow, this many posts and no one has said "participation trophy"  thank God for that.  I am hoping that term is dead and buried by now, but my hope is often misplaced.  I have observed that "snowflake" has been abolished so maybe there is hope after all.  

 

Anyway OP, pretty good post, I like the bullet point format.  Easier to read than those wall-of-text posters where I just blank out after three sentences.  Trying to read those things is like trying to slog through a swamp in lead boots.  

 

Oh yeah, I guess I am an exception to the rule, I cannot seem to Git Gud, and I have Adapted but not Overcome, yet have not quit.  Not sure what that makes me.  An easy mark, I guess...  


Edited by Bobby_Tables, 20 September 2018 - 04:19 AM.


Cenotaph #13 Posted 20 September 2018 - 02:46 PM

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View PostBobby_Tables, on 19 September 2018 - 08:17 PM, said:

I like the bullet point format.  Easier to read than those wall-of-text posters where I just blank out after three sentences.  Trying to read those things is like trying to slog through a swamp in lead boots. 

 

Couldn't agree more, especially when they take multiple paragraphs to get around to their point... like people are going to have the patience to tolerate all the self aggrandizing.
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TNTdalet8 #14 Posted 20 September 2018 - 04:42 PM

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First  OP, you get a +1 for writing a clear, cogent, comprehensible post.

 

I've resigned myself to the fact that "Git Gud" is out of my reach. I'm a potato and that's a reality I have to live with. I have a talent cap. However, I am smart enough to "Adapt and Overcome". Except that I'm not willing to compromise my fun to do it. So I'll continue to have crap stats and clutter up the sky for better players, but by golly I'm gonna have fun doing it.

 

So, in closing, I have no point and you just wasted your time. Sorry.


Edited by TNTdalet8, 20 September 2018 - 04:42 PM.


Captain_Underpants53 #15 Posted 20 September 2018 - 05:30 PM

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View PostTNTdalet8, on 20 September 2018 - 11:42 AM, said:

First  OP, you get a +1 for writing a clear, cogent, comprehensible post.

 

I've resigned myself to the fact that "Git Gud" is out of my reach. I'm a potato and that's a reality I have to live with. I have a talent cap. However, I am smart enough to "Adapt and Overcome". Except that I'm not willing to compromise my fun to do it. So I'll continue to have crap stats and clutter up the sky for better players, but by golly I'm gonna have fun doing it.

 

So, in closing, I have no point and you just wasted your time. Sorry.

 

+1 for making me snicker.
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CorvusCorvax #16 Posted 20 September 2018 - 10:59 PM

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View Postmnbv_fockewulfe, on 19 September 2018 - 10:44 PM, said:

 

I disagree.

A player that has achieved git gud but cannot overcome the meta will quit (I am an example of this).

A player that understands the meta but can't for a fig improve his gaming skills will quit.

 

That's why I say "and".  You have to have both if you want to succeed at all.  Well, as a mediocre tactician, one can survive, and have fun playing.  If you are a mediocre strategist, you can survive by the glory of just shooting stuff down.

 

In both cases, you are going to have to sacrifice win rate.  If that stat is your reason for existing, you have to do both things well - be a superb tactician (git gud) and be able to flow with the game design (adapt and overcome.)  I might be nice if the flight model were less arcade-like, so that tactical skill got more rewards, but the game is what it is.






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