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ArrowZ_ #1 Posted 12 September 2018 - 06:32 AM

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A recent thread about gambling got me thinking where the fine line would be for a topic such as this that is wordly frowned upon by consumers/customers alike but not as heavily dismissed or hated by the the companies who receive profits from these lootboxes or supply crates as it's called in our little corner of the gaming industry. I'll link that same thread here for your convenience.

 

The best place to start with this topic is the part of whether this MMO has turned into a p2w model. Looking at the premium store with these supply crates you're given the "chance" to get the following items: planes, xp, gold, prem account time, consumables, base equipment, or improved equipment. That to me looks like it ticks off a lot of the criteria of what turns this MMO into Pay to win. Sure alot of the new equipments effects at ultimate stage is controversial at best but still getting 20-30% boost to one stat while you get minimal negative stats on another aircraft characteristics, still tips the balance a little in battles. How pronounced? well that requires alot of testing, lots of materials, lots of silvers, tokens (reassembly), and quite frankly a heck lot of time going through a load of roullette RNGfest slot machine activity that can take up pretty much your entire day!... Then there's acquiring premium time for dat precious extra 50% rates! Not really a p2w example but more of a progressional benefit for those looking to quickly reach the top (max tiers). There's really no point in doing that with WOWP since well... tier 10s are quite dead! "xp" seems unclear... Free exp? Aircraft exp? Bit of both? And assuming "planes" means premium planes...

 

I honestly never would have imagined WOWP turn into this kind of online game. But then again so many have followed suit from a great example such as these people who get the most flak for utilizing lootboxes to maximize profits (naughty EA!). Guess we all shoulda known better that WG would do the same eventually. Here's some extra entertainment that may very well bite WG in the behind in the future if current "gambling" features aren't regulated in a country such as say idk... Belgium? Just be glad a game like WOWP isn't a multi-million $$$ AAA title... otherwise this title would also be under their radar. 

 

Another point that is obvious is funding to support developers to further continue development of this game through the medium of the profits gained from these supply crates. Ofcourse that isn't the only means for WG to provide funding support for any dev group. But it makes sense and definitely helps! But one has to wonder what happened to all the profits gained from the first release of WOWP 1.0-1.9? Are you telling me it wasn't enough to reach development goals, or create the appropriate content with the resources given? Maybe the devs ran out of time each big update? Who knows honestly... this is something both parties aren't willing to admit anyway so moving on! 

 

^ I just think a little transparency of how much profits from these supply crates is actually helping the current dev studio in reaching their "pre-planned" content development for the months ahead would be nice. You look at the results of 2.0.5 and wonder... wtheck just happened?

 

So comes down the meat of the thread: Where is the fine line to these supply crates and the already existing maybe "unintentional" gambling system that has reared its way into WOWP?

 

Should we just accept it for what it is and let the other few enjoy their roulette RNG of fun? Should WG get full reign on the choice of placing what additions these supply crates will have hidden within that have a great uncertainty of what else they can mix into alot of these RNG loot items? Or should it be regulated to not give players a great deal of advantage should they decide to buy one of these supply crates? The payment totals really isn't the concern here. Heck if you want to dump $50, $100 or $1000 into this game then all the power to you! Hopefully all that goes to these devs... seems they desperately need it under the current circumstances.

 

IMO it isn't so much focused in how much players can gain THAT MUCH of an advantage when buying these supply crates. It's the matter of abuse and the levels a company like WG would go to to reach their goals in high profitability. Funding the WOWP development sure I can accept that. But milking this title to yank those profits and turn them into crucial resources to be used to other titles... now that's something I would be pissed off about if I ever invested any shares into this company let alone this game... And no that isn't something I will consider any time soon.

 

Anyway let me know what you guys think about this heavy controversial topic that has literally plagued every single MMO out there.

 

Honestly IMO, as it is now. It's not that bad. Compared to what EA is currently doing to their AAA titles... :teethhappy: I honestly don't know how they muster the courage to go to work with all that crap going on. But with WOWP considering it's largely not even close to the popularity of battlefield, battlefront, NFS series, I'd say we're in a safe place atm. What worries me is what will WG do in time when these supply crates and the gambling features in WOWP aren't being controlled.

 

Oh. nearly forgot... Inb4 blindfold ninja moves my thread to off-topic... :trollface::popcorn::hiding:


Edited by ArrowZ_, 12 September 2018 - 06:56 AM.

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Wombatmetal #2 Posted 12 September 2018 - 06:44 AM

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I think it's more like pay to progress. There is nothing in the loot crates you can't earn for free by just playing the game. You can earn loot crates in the game, buy them with tokens you earn in the game. You just do it faster by buying them. 

 

In that it is unlike other games, where you can win loot crates, but have to buy keys to unlock them, and the only way to get some of the good loot is to buy the keys. That is truly p2w. When the only way to get certain equipment is to pay, and that gives you an edge in battle, not the case here. 

 

So all you're doing is progressing quicker. Having played some of those games where you had to buy keys this doesn't get my goat. I would prefer not to have them, but they are part of the WG model these days it seems. 



ArrowZ_ #3 Posted 12 September 2018 - 06:54 AM

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Hmm... Pay to progress. Not bad :great:

 

On another note. I'm curious why these forums haven't caught up yet on the ultimate stages of equipments and how much they make a difference in game. Although people have already mentioned shooting down specialist aircrafts is no different than shooting down a regular "stock" fully maxed module'd plane. This IMO may influence the stance of p2w especially if WG allows Advanced and ultimate equipments to be purchasable in premiums. I really hope they don't do that or think about it in the near future...


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SpiritFoxMY #4 Posted 12 September 2018 - 06:59 AM

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I do kinda like the option to buy lootboxes but that's mostly because in terms of value they give me more than I'd get for my gold. If it was really a matter of "roll a dice to get the gold value equivalent random object" I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole (tbh, the recent lootboxes were teetering on the edge for me)

 

As for P2W, well, that much has been baked in since they introduced premium consumables purchasable only with gold. 

 

And where the money goes, eh. One hopes it would be planes but honestly they're probably reinvesting most of it elsewhere.


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Wombatmetal #5 Posted 12 September 2018 - 07:10 AM

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I've only seen improved equipment so far from the boxes. That's not a big deal. Gold ammo and bombs? They gotta go. The worst thing about the game is premium ammo and consumables purchased only with gold. 

SpiritFoxMY #6 Posted 12 September 2018 - 07:31 AM

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I think I might have gotten one or two pieces if Advanced Equipment. But its frankly useless without Specialization. In fact I currently find them less useful than the improved stuff. 

 

Gold Consumables need to go. Period. Use the WoT method please. I mean... you end up paying anyway fir premium time but at least give us the option


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mnbv_fockewulfe #7 Posted 12 September 2018 - 01:41 PM

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There have been a few article I've been meaning to writ ArrowZ.

On the topics of: What is Skill?; Should we have a rage effect?; Spectacle vs Authenticity; The distinction between Arcade and Game.

With the intention of being as short and to the point as possible. lol :D

Except that writing anything of feedback nature has lost it's importance to me, so you'll have to wait until I'm bored out of my mind.

You could however try encouraging me to take up the pen.:bajan:


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Ace_BOTlistic_Cosmo #8 Posted 12 September 2018 - 01:52 PM

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Beluga caviar, Kors vodka, Penthouse in West Hollywood...

and play'a money...

nothing is free comrade

 

 


if the pilot's good, see, I mean, if he's really..sharp, he can barrel that baby in so low [he spreads his arms like wings and laughs],

you oughtta see it sometime, it's a sight. A big plane like a '52. VRROOM! There's jet exhaust, fryin' chickens in the barnyard.


Ace_BOTlistic_Cosmo #9 Posted 12 September 2018 - 01:56 PM

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View Postmnbv_fockewulfe, on 12 September 2018 - 08:41 AM, said:

There have been a few article I've been meaning to writ ArrowZ.

On the topics of: What is Skill?; Should we have a rage effect?; Spectacle vs Authenticity; The distinction between Arcade and Game.

With the intention of being as short and to the point as possible. lol :D

Except that writing anything of feedback nature has lost it's importance to me, so you'll have to wait until I'm bored out of my mind.

You could however try encouraging me to take up the pen.:bajan:

 


if the pilot's good, see, I mean, if he's really..sharp, he can barrel that baby in so low [he spreads his arms like wings and laughs],

you oughtta see it sometime, it's a sight. A big plane like a '52. VRROOM! There's jet exhaust, fryin' chickens in the barnyard.


Bluegoose02 #10 Posted 13 September 2018 - 12:10 AM

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First of all this might as well be p2w , to specialize do so many chores in battles that only count if you win or us tokens. 2nd equipment only comes if you win or buy crates. We already know you will die before a tier 10 plane can be maxed out without money or you have to be very lucky , most of us aren't. And I'm not that rich. I've already gone though the whole system once to get everything that I have to elite like 242 planes ,I can't do that again to specialize and I can't wait for a better game to hit the market.

 



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View Postmnbv_fockewulfe, on 12 September 2018 - 11:11 PM, said:

There have been a few article I've been meaning to writ ArrowZ.

On the topics of: What is Skill?; Should we have a rage effect?; Spectacle vs Authenticity; The distinction between Arcade and Game.

With the intention of being as short and to the point as possible. lol :D

Except that writing anything of feedback nature has lost it's importance to me, so you'll have to wait until I'm bored out of my mind.

You could however try encouraging me to take up the pen.:bajan:

 

Jus.... DO ET! :trollface:

 

Definitely going to be heck more entertaining than the game, that's for sure... Although Ace did give you fair warning... And Gad dangit I tried to shorten this post. I just can't seem to do it. Too many coincidences to be left out.


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SonicPariah #12 Posted 13 September 2018 - 08:12 PM

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Interesting read.

 

There is indeed a fine line that we walk by making sure you are getting rewards that sync up with the time and effort you put in to balance out the cost of Crates. We are going to continue working on these values as the in-game expectation will never be set in stone for values.



StoptheViolins #13 Posted 17 September 2018 - 02:28 PM

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I find the supply crates (in-game and store) have been rewarding.  Sometimes I suffered from "ah, not another" syndrome but all in all I wasn't disappointed. 

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View PostStoptheViolins, on 17 September 2018 - 02:28 PM, said:

I find the supply crates (in-game and store) have been rewarding.  Sometimes I suffered from "ah, not another" syndrome but all in all I wasn't disappointed. 

 

Glad to hear you are at least finding it as rewarding as possible even though duplicates are bound to happen.





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