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Poll: Should WG coordinate a mission for a new Chinese aircraft by promoting the new movie "Unbreakable Spirit"? (22 members have cast votes)

Should WG coordinate a mission for a new Chinese aircraft by promoting the new movie "Unbreakable Spirit"?

  1. No - that sounds boring and really stupid. (0 votes [0.00%])

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  2. Yes - do the same thing they did with the last Hurricane Ia missions. (16 votes [72.73%] - View)

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  3. I don't care either way - Chinese planes at lower tiers don't interest me. (6 votes [27.27%] - View)

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Innokenty #1 Posted 09 September 2018 - 06:38 AM

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As they did with the release of 'Hurricane', WG/WOWP needs to offer up another mission challenge for a Chinese aircraft depicted in the movie. Why not? Their last effort got attention from current and new players.

 

Watch the trailer here: https://www.argunner...g-bruce-willis/

 

There are quite a few unique and odd (interesting) aircraft used in 1937 by the Chinese Nationalist Air Force. Even if not depicted in the movie, they would be good additions for tiers II-V. SERIOUSLY, some of the models for these aircraft (I-16) already exist in the game, so why not tweak them a bit and give them a Chinese skin?

 

Many Options:

 

Fiat CR.32

Polikarpov I-153 Chaika

Fiat CR.30

Gloster Gladiator

Polikarpov I-16 (with Chinese markings for the China line)

Dewoitine D.500

lyushin DB-3 (bomber)

Vultee P-66 Vanguard

Northrop A-17 (attack plane)

Martin B-10 (bomber)


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SpiritFoxMY #2 Posted 09 September 2018 - 07:01 AM

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This was kinda my Chinese fighter whishlist. So the last few planes are paper planes and speculation at best but meh - I want to see the RoCAF properly represented considering they were really the first to fight in what became the Second World War and produced America's first Ace.

 

Tier I : Liuchow Kwangsi Type 3

Tier II : Curtiss Model 68

Tier III : Hawk 75 A-5

Tier IV : Curtiss-Wright CW-21

Tier V : P-66 Vanguard

Tier VI : Chu XP-0

Tier VII: AFAMF XP-1

Tier VIII: AFAMF XP-2

Tier IX: CXP-102/Gloster E.1/44

Tier X: CXP-1001

 

And, as you said, Chinese skins for other existing airplanes - they have a Spanish Republican skin for the I-16 already


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GonerNL #3 Posted 09 September 2018 - 09:07 AM

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View PostInnokenty, on 09 September 2018 - 07:38 AM, said:

Martin B-10 (bomber)

 

+1 vote

If they include a skin for the Dutch east Indies Air Force ...

https://i.imgur.com/Ps5Rk9W.jpg

 

also Curtiss-Wright CW-21

http://www.juniorgen...n/CW21demon.GIF

 

and Hawk 75 A-5

http://img.wp.scn.ru.../pics/144_4.jpg

 

 


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Chunky_Cleb #4 Posted 09 September 2018 - 09:11 AM

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Seeing those Fiats listed above made me think about the Italians. Perhaps WG should also consider a line of Italian aircraft from the WWII era..and while we're at it...why not add a bomber to the Japanese line ( Betty) and perhaps some heavy bombers to the U.S.( B-17 & B-24 )  & British ( Lancaster ) lines?????

Chunky_Cleb #5 Posted 09 September 2018 - 09:12 AM

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Oh...I almost forgot....what about the famous Dauntless Divebomer(U.S.)?????

 



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A few years ago John Woo announced a 'Flying Tiger' movie but it has yet to materialize.

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hoom #7 Posted 09 September 2018 - 09:57 AM

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I VOTED YES BECAUSE FREE PLANE IS FREE AND WHY ARE WE USING ALLCAPS?
C'est magnifique, mais ce n'est pas le SerB.

Ace_BOTlistic_Cosmo #8 Posted 09 September 2018 - 02:13 PM

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View Posthoom, on 09 September 2018 - 04:57 AM, said:

I VOTED YES BECAUSE FREE PLANE IS FREE AND WHY ARE WE USING ALLCAPS?

+1 for proper use of nonsense

 


if the pilot's good, see, I mean, if he's really..sharp, he can barrel that baby in so low [he spreads his arms like wings and laughs],

you oughtta see it sometime, it's a sight. A big plane like a '52. VRROOM! There's jet exhaust, fryin' chickens in the barnyard.


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liked the trailer, it's good to see Bruce Willis getting some work...   

 

i'll have to go see it alone, i'll betcha      my wife will think that it's a ridiculous movie

 

first time that i've seen the Po i-16 in any ww2 movie...   same for most of the other planes, actually 

 

a partnership sounds like a great idea!


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View PostInnokenty, on 09 September 2018 - 01:38 AM, said:

As they did with the release of 'Hurricane', WG/WOWP needs to offer up another mission challenge for a Chinese aircraft depicted in the movie. Why not? Their last effort got attention from current and new players.

 

Watch the trailer here: https://www.argunner...g-bruce-willis/

 

There are quite a few unique and odd (interesting) aircraft used in 1937 by the Chinese Nationalist Air Force. Even if not depicted in the movie, they would be good additions for tiers II-V. SERIOUSLY, some of the models for these aircraft (I-16) already exist in the game, so why not tweak them a bit and give them a Chinese skin?

 

Many Options:

 

Fiat CR.32

Polikarpov I-153 Chaika

Fiat CR.30

Gloster Gladiator

Polikarpov I-16 (with Chinese markings for the China line)

Dewoitine D.500

lyushin DB-3 (bomber)

Vultee P-66 Vanguard

Northrop A-17 (attack plane)

Martin B-10 (bomber)

 

I have enthusiasm too for a Chinese tech tree, not because I am Chinese, or fond of China or Chinese planes, but because there is an opportunity to tell a very rich history (described here).  Unfortunately an opportunity was missed, starting with the release of the Curtiss Hawk III as a premium.

 

I have not seen any sources to verify the claim that the Northrop A-17 served in China.  It is probably the Northrop Gamma instead (details here under 'omitted').

 

View PostSpiritFoxMY, on 09 September 2018 - 02:01 AM, said:

This was kinda my Chinese fighter whishlist. So the last few planes are paper planes and speculation at best but meh - I want to see the RoCAF properly represented considering they were really the first to fight in what became the Second World War and produced America's first Ace.

 

Tier I : Liuchow Kwangsi Type 3

Tier II : Curtiss Model 68

Tier III : Hawk 75 A-5

Tier IV : Curtiss-Wright CW-21

Tier V : P-66 Vanguard

Tier VI : Chu XP-0

Tier VII: AFAMF XP-1

Tier VIII: AFAMF XP-2

Tier IX: CXP-102/Gloster E.1/44

Tier X: CXP-1001

 

And, as you said, Chinese skins for other existing airplanes - they have a Spanish Republican skin for the I-16 already

 

The aircraft highlighted in orange above are reasonable:

-- Curtiss Model 68 is also known as the Curtiss Hawk III which appears in-game as a premium (gift plane about 5 years ago, and possibly sold in premium shop since then)

-- Curtiss-Wright CW-21 Demon has a tier IV engine, and appeared around the same time as the A6M1 which is also tier IV.

-- Vultee P-66 Vanguard has a tier V engine.

 

The remaining aircraft are dubious at best:

-- Liuchow Kwangsi Type 3 (07/1937) had a 260hp British engine and was discontinued after 1 prototype due to poor performance.  There are many alternatives at tier I with better engines that don't break chronology.

-- Hawk 75A-5 would be tier IV (1 pattern aircraft built); but the actual aircraft built was the XP-0 from remaining 75A parts (1 prototype + 9 built).

-- tier VI-VIII = high fiction.  XP-0 would be tier IV at best, XP-1 no better than V, and there is zero information in English on XP-2 other than that the project was thought to exist.

-- tier IX-X = the Shenyang JL-1A-37 premium (tier VIII), for which there is approximately zero information in English, is based on the CXP-102/CXP-1001/Gloster E.1/44 project.


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Yeah, I know. But the problem is that China would otherwise be a rehash of existing American and Soviet planes. And it isn't like Wargaming is above introducing vehicles that were otherwise scribbled on the back of a pizza box on a Sunday night. Maybe after they've introduced other stuff.

 

Also, I believe the JL-1A-37 is based on the Shenyang JJ-1 basic trainer of which at least two were produced rather than the CXP blueprints which, as far as I can tell, never actually left Gloster.


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View PostSpiritFoxMY, on 09 September 2018 - 11:19 AM, said:

Yeah, I know. But the problem is that China would otherwise be a rehash of existing American and Soviet planes. And it isn't like Wargaming is above introducing vehicles that were otherwise scribbled on the back of a pizza box on a Sunday night. Maybe after they've introduced other stuff.

 

Also, I believe the JL-1A-37 is based on the Shenyang JJ-1 basic trainer of which at least two were produced rather than the CXP blueprints which, as far as I can tell, never actually left Gloster.

 

​The designer of JJ-1 studies in Britain and worked in Grumman. You can see it's different from all the rest of US/USSR planes and it's actually pretty similar to Attacker which came out after the war. Besides, it would be quite difficult to make a non-premium tech tree since the overlap with US/USSR might be too large.

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View PostFIight, on 10 September 2018 - 09:14 AM, said:

 

​The designer of JJ-1 studies in Britain and worked in Grumman. You can see it's different from all the rest of US/USSR planes and it's actually pretty similar to Attacker which came out after the war. Besides, it would be quite difficult to make a non-premium tech tree since the overlap with US/USSR might be too large.

 

Well, we weren't expecting non-premium Chinese tanks back in the day. Now we have a whole line of Unicorn tanks that existed only as vague ideas at the back of some bureaucrat's filing cabinet.

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View PostSpiritFoxMY, on 10 September 2018 - 07:54 AM, said:

 

Well, we weren't expecting non-premium Chinese tanks back in the day. Now we have a whole line of Unicorn tanks that existed only as vague ideas at the back of some bureaucrat's filing cabinet.

 

Huh? what? I don't understand this? You're saying that some of the Chinese TD line actually existed as illegible scribbles on the back of a napkin before Wargaming dreamt them up? :P

Yeah I have to agree though, there's scope for a lot of modifications of soviet and US planes that existed as "ideas" in china (as long as they have chinese markings and appear in a chinese tech tree) after all, it's a big market, so I wouldn't say that a regular chinese tech tree is out of the question. Besides, if they're lacking, they can just take another nation's planes, slap chinese markings on them and call them chinese like they did with the T8-10 japanese fighters.

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We would love to see that collaboration! Hopefully it is something we can get in the works, but I am not certain how or if it would be possible. Maybe after the release?

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SONICPARIAH -- That would be great, but did you really coordinate with the HURRICANE movie folks or just sync your challenge with a plane offering? Either way would be fine even if you can't actually collaborate by way of the movie producers.
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View PostInnokenty, on 13 September 2018 - 05:30 AM, said:

SONICPARIAH -- That would be great, but did you really coordinate with the HURRICANE movie folks or just sync your challenge with a plane offering? Either way would be fine even if you can't actually collaborate by way of the movie producers.

 

Honestly, I did not have a part of it. However, our EU Marketing Team was definitely in touch with the Studio in charge of the movie and we worked out a deal and agreement with them prior to the movie release.

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View PostSonicPariah, on 13 September 2018 - 04:13 PM, said:

Honestly, I did not have a part of it. However, our EU Marketing Team was definitely in touch with the Studio in charge of the movie and we worked out a deal and agreement with them prior to the movie release.

 

makes sense... 

 

nobody can just 'coordinate' merchandise with the release of a movie without getting sued, because money


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