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comtedumas #1 Posted 03 September 2018 - 01:02 PM

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Is it just me or is there something wrong with them?  they are supposed to be fast, they aren't.  bomb drops are worse than shotgun patterns.  and their turrets are laughable.  

 

What am I missing?  



SpiritFoxMY #2 Posted 03 September 2018 - 01:17 PM

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Pe-2. You're missing the Pe-2.

 

Peshka is a low altitude bomber with a minimum effective altitude of 500m or so, so you can tree-top it no problem. It doesn't like high altitudes but in its optimal band, I've kept distance from a P-38F.

 

I hear the Peshka 82 is like a mini RB-17; fast and low. I haven't flown it yet but from a non-bomber pilot like me, I can say that a faster, more heavily armed Peshka is a terrifying thought.


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Cenotaph #3 Posted 03 September 2018 - 03:08 PM

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View PostSpiritFoxMY, on 03 September 2018 - 05:17 AM, said:

Pe-2. You're missing the Pe-2.

 

Peshka is a low altitude bomber with a minimum effective altitude of 500m or so, so you can tree-top it no problem. It doesn't like high altitudes but in its optimal band, I've kept distance from a P-38F.

 

I hear the Peshka 82 is like a mini RB-17; fast and low. I haven't flown it yet but from a non-bomber pilot like me, I can say that a faster, more heavily armed Peshka is a terrifying thought.

 

Pretty much this...
I don't want to hurt you... I just want to kill you!

hoom #4 Posted 03 September 2018 - 03:46 PM

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Yeah the T3 you just pop up to 2-3000m and your main threat is high altitude AA, mostly just concentrate on lobbing bombs.

With 6 bombs you get pretty solid passes.

Occasionally a Fw-57 will try to take you on but you can basically just turn & pass above him, gain some height and/or boost away while he stalls, drops several hundred meters.

The bots are pretty persistent & will eventually get up to your height but you should still be able to boost away & meantime that plane is out of the fight.

 

 

The T4 has to deal with the existence of actually dangerous Heavies so I'm not entirely sure what is best to do with it.

So far I've been running at about 2000m with reasonable success & with an 8-bomb load you can afford to be pretty lavish with them.

But there isn't much you can do when a Heavy comes at you.

I've been having some recent success with fishtailing in tailgunner mode in this & German Bombers, you can throw the Heavy guns off for several seconds each turn while your own pea-shooter stays on target, can be enough to cause an engine crit so he turns away/can't keep up with your boost but he'll be back sooner or later.

 

 

Haven't got the T5 but the T6 has pretty excellent cruise speed, boosts to 600km/h with fairly short bursts of boost & with the Bomber 60s of boost time it out-paces most Light/Multiroles & slower Heavies easy enough.

Like the A26-B I've been flying it ~1500m which gives reasonable accuracy for the 4 bombs & keeps speed up.

I don't like straying down into low-altitude AA range & have a tendency to run into mountains while bombing/tailgunning when below the mountain tops.

Some success evading Heavies by turning into them (not full headon, more like 30-45deg) as they approach & boosting away.

They'll do some damage in the cross but you gain a bunch of time/distance while they turn & maybe pick up a crit on him during the pass.

Problem is you often wind up with bombs loaded but nowhere near your target...

 

Haven't really tried it yet but the transit between cap points is short enough that it may be worthwhile just cruising round the map dropping a stick on each point as you go rather than concentrating multiple passes on one point (& losing speed).

 

Often got a chunk of reload time to kill on transits which can be spent moving round to line up a better pass angle without wasting dps.


Edited by hoom, 09 September 2018 - 01:05 AM.

C'est magnifique, mais ce n'est pas le SerB.

desert786 #5 Posted 03 September 2018 - 05:24 PM

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i managed to get orders for all of them. so far i am not that impressed. I don't have very many battles is them, so keep that in mind. my opinion may change in the future.

 

the 3 feels inferior to the UK bomber. the front turret is mostly useless,unless you are sitting under a bot bomber, but then why would you waste time shooting at a bot bomber when you could be being useful and capping?

 

the 4 is terrible in every way.

 

the 5 and 6 are the same plane more or less and i have the same issues with both of them. My biggest gripe with them is they have no real defense. they're not fast or maneuverable enough to evade pursuit at their "optimal" altitude and the offensive and defective armament is very weak. they do handle nicely but that's not really advantageous for their roll. that said they are relatively fun to play, but like the do 17 I have found myself in situations where your the makes my influence on the match completely ineffective.


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FIight #6 Posted 04 September 2018 - 05:42 AM

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Specialized Do217M has more capping power, but Pe-2 M82 is not that bad when specialized. Both of them need

to be specialized to be truly effective.



pirat262 #7 Posted 04 September 2018 - 01:09 PM

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well i have the 4 bombers there are not in specilist yet mode but they are good :

 

Ther 3 soviet bomber is really good much better than the british bomber tier 3 , this soviet tier 3 bomber is really good  High Altitude so in specialist mode would be  great and the bomb reload is good.

 

The 4 soviet bomber is good but not better than the tier 4 german bomber , but it is not the best bomber without the specialist mode and the bomb reload is great.

 

The 5 soviet bomber is really good too in low bombing and  High Altitude too is much better than the tier 5 german bomber  so in specialist mode would be  awesome and the bomb reload is great.

 

The 6 soviet bomber is quite good in low bombing and High Altitude  , it have a real nice gun in elite mode , so in specialist mode would be great is good as the a-26 b american bomber and the bomb reload is nice.

 

well guys thanks for you time greetings

 

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Reitousair #8 Posted 04 September 2018 - 08:15 PM

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I only have the Peshka-82, however the best way to describe it would be a hybrid between a Do-217M and pre-2.0.6 RB-17 stuck into tier 6.

 

The ordinance isn't quite enough to 1-pass most red caps alone, though some neutral caps (particularly garrisons) are possible to take in a single pass.

 

The speed is quite good with solid acceleration, it's enough to run away from pretty much everything that doesn't get the jump on you with 50 seconds of boost to hold that speed.

 

The agility overall makes it sort of HF-like, and I have used it to surprisingly good effect for dogfighting enemy HF's or intercepting fighters that aren't paying attention. Speaking of which, the B-20 in the nose (not the hub, cowling-mounted vs. hub-mounted guns) is excellent for tier 6, and while not something you want to take in a head-on, it's enough to cause grief to people who are fired upon by it.

 

The turrets are... eh... they exist and can deal some damage, but their awkward blindspots and MG caliber means they're okay, that's about it, don't rely on them to kill anything with consistency.

 

The altitude however is quite low for a bomber, with even some fighters being able to fly higher without losing performance, at the same time this means your minimal altitude is fairly low to the ground, which means combined with the speed and ability to divebomb, you can streak over caps at nearly max dive speed dropping ordinance and then GTFOing with little to no repercussion if you plan it correctly. It requires practice, but it's quite fun to be flying at 500m and 650KPH dropping ordinance and getting out with only a few scratches from AA.


I do fly Chinese aircraft a fair amount so... *ahem*

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Pal_P #9 Posted 05 September 2018 - 06:00 AM

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Excuse me. 

The topic title is incorrect.

You must know the story.
Russian bombers - this is wrong.
Write correctly - Soviet bombers!!!!!!
I ask you to pay attention to the hangar in the game.
In the hangar - the flag of the USSR.

Russia and the USSR are two completely different states!



hoom #10 Posted 09 September 2018 - 03:09 AM

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I have the T5 Pe-2 now also.

Its obviously not as quick as the -M82 but still no slouch & its tier has mostly slower enemies also.

Bombs & 12.7mm are relatively a bit more powerful but basically plays same as -M82.

 

Can't say I've really made much use of the agility, if you've got a Heavy on your [edited]you're not gonna shake him or not for very long & even if you get on his [edited]it'll take forever to kill him with the single gun.


C'est magnifique, mais ce n'est pas le SerB.




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