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Mig 15bis vs F 86A

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Xr901 #21 Posted 31 August 2018 - 01:48 PM

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View PostArrowZ_, on 31 August 2018 - 01:27 AM, said:

There was an Aussie sabre too?! Gosh it got around didn't it...

 

Yep, very good one too, although it was a substantial redesign, because of the different dimensions of the license built Rolls Royce Avon used to power it. It and the Canadair sabre both offered broadly similar performance (the Canadair sabre used an Avro Canada Orenda in most Mks.), which was superior to the North American production aircraft, because they both used better engines than the North American Aviation (US) built sabres did. Part of the CAC (Aussie) redesign also involved replacing the 6 .50 cals with 2 30mm Aden cannon.

Return to the game for a minute, given that the Aden cannon are disliked as much as 6x.50 cal at T10 by a majority of players, probably the best armament upgrade (or most appreciated) would be one of the experimental US cannon armed variants. Yeah, in general they didn't work out and weren't widely adopted, but a look at the tech tree will tell you that doesn't stop something being included in the game.

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jack_wdw #22 Posted 31 August 2018 - 06:51 PM

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Wait who dislikes the aden-cannons?
That beautiful brrrrt


 

Tironan #23 Posted 02 September 2018 - 08:46 PM

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The CAC Saber was one hell of a plane. About 704 MPH and 4 20mm, the Canadian Saber was a bit faster. The F-86 was pushing 690 real hard and had 4 20mm M39 cannon spitting 6000 rpm...

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Can't speak for the ingame balance having not flown either & had few encounters against them either but the MiG-15bis is in service in 1950, possibly/probably all MiG-15s in Korea were bis.

 

 

F-86F is 2nd half 1952, maybe 4th quarter and retained the 50cal.

There were 8 evaluation model with the 20mm (but may have been restricted to firing only 2 at a time) that did combat testing in early 1953 ending in May including losing several from gun gas ingestion :facepalm: though that was apparently satisfactorily fixed by the end of testing.

Only production model with 20mm were the post Korea F-86K/L which are Interceptor versions based on F-86D with the big nose.

 

 

There were a bunch of in-production upgrades to the MiG-15bis though & if they are represented ingame it may be reasonable to give the F-86E or F.

If thats not enough we do have plenty of anachronisms/prototypes/paper planes ingame and would not be the worst to allow the 20mm 'gunval' version.

 

Just don't be deluded to think US pilots were flying around with 20mm F versions for most of the war.


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View Posthoom, on 03 September 2018 - 09:28 AM, said:

Just don't be deluded to think US pilots were flying around with 20mm F versions for most of the war.

 I'll keep that in mind as I fly around in my Me. P.1102 B (in about 30-40 more battles).



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As someone who has played both mig and sabre a lot(sabre more but I know mig well), I would have to say the in game mig has more

cruise speed advantage, and a superior (slightly) climb ratio. The mig, if you go full speed setup could have 700+ cruise speed, without

hitting boost and sabre could reach 640kph in cruise speed. The sabre is more agile(ended up having <9 sec turn and 204 roll rate), while

the mig is a speed monster, which could maintain 800-900 kph by tapping the boost for 1 sec. both of them climb fairly fast, and if you in a 

heavy don't try to out climb them. speed wise p1101 is somewhat in between.



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View Postjack_wdw, on 01 September 2018 - 04:21 AM, said:

Wait who dislikes the aden-cannons?
That beautiful brrrrt


 

 

Omg... I wish that was in the game. Both the jet and the realistic gun sounds and firing mechanics. It would be no short of awesomeness!

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That Ozi Client Side Lagger


Xr901 #28 Posted 04 September 2018 - 02:33 AM

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View PostArrowZ_, on 04 September 2018 - 12:47 AM, said:

 

Omg... I wish that was in the game. Both the jet and the realistic gun sounds and firing mechanics. It would be no short of awesomeness!

 

Yeah well, I'm kind of surprised it isn't to be honest. It is far better known, and served far longer and  far more widely than its contemporary, designed for the same specifications, basically as an insurance policy... the Supermarine swift. That being said, the british multirole line is basically composed of hawker fighters while the light fighter line is composed of supermarine fighters. Add to that the fact that once displaced from a pure fighter role the hunter was frequently used as a fighter-bomber, and I have a sneaking suspicion that that the Hawker Hunter will be the T10 British multirole. They've said they're coming soon, and I for one can't wait for the line to be complete.

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Hunter T10 Multirole or RIOT! :izmena:
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Bumpsiedoo.

 

I'm still not at either the MiG-15bis or F-86A but I've encountered both more & got up to the T9s on both lines now.

Flying the FJ-1 with the top guns (shared with F-86A) I'm not feeling any lack of firepower at all, while the 37mm + 2*23mm combo on the MiG line is a lot harder to do consistent damage with (but hits really hard when you do connect).

 

The agility of the F-86A has been a (fatal!) shock several times where I'm more likely to expect enemies to have 12+ second 360s, while MiG-15bis has a relatively hard time getting out of the way.

Looking at stats F-86A seems most directly comparable to La-15 & I'm a big fan of that lines' 'sweet spot' stats so I'm actually really looking forward to finishing the grind on FJ-1.


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I have a fully specced MiG and I enjoy it a lot. Its biggest weakness is its poor burst length which, even with an Ultimate RBC, is simply not up to the task of nuking GAAs. If you fly MiG you're going to need backup to deal with those massive HP slabs.

 

The best thing about the MiG is its ability to keep pace with Heavy Fighters. It's fast, accelerates well and has a really high altitude ceiling. Perfect for hunting heavies. And that big stick you have has the range and the crit power to effectively kill heavies up to 800m away - far further than the Sabre. I'll be focusing on getting the Hunter next but for fighters I'll probably stick with the MiG


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View PostTironan, on 26 August 2018 - 07:00 PM, said:

This one bugs me for a few reasons. From all accounts by pilots on both sides these fighters were a very close match. So when I look at the cruise speeds and compare ugh! The actual speeds given were Mig 15 Bis 523 mph and the F 86A 540 Mph. The Mig had a climbing advantage and about 2,000 ft altitude advantage. However, the F 86A had a slight maneuver advantage. The cannon was better then again we don't have the M39's on the Saber which was introduced with the F 86F. The matchup needs to be addressed.

 

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View Posthoom, on 10 January 2019 - 01:55 PM, said:

Bumpsiedoo.

 

I'm still not at either the MiG-15bis or F-86A but I've encountered both more & got up to the T9s on both lines now.

Flying the FJ-1 with the top guns (shared with F-86A) I'm not feeling any lack of firepower at all, while the 37mm + 2*23mm combo on the MiG line is a lot harder to do consistent damage with (but hits really hard when you do connect).

 

The agility of the F-86A has been a (fatal!) shock several times where I'm more likely to expect enemies to have 12+ second 360s, while MiG-15bis has a relatively hard time getting out of the way.

Looking at stats F-86A seems most directly comparable to La-15 & I'm a big fan of that lines' 'sweet spot' stats so I'm actually really looking forward to finishing the grind on FJ-1.

 

I now have both the F-86A & MiG-15bis, I think my assessment above is correct.

 

F-86A has superb agility & isn't much short of the MiG in top speed, the MGs are fine, they really burn through enemies plenty quick & without any overheating issues.

MiG-15bis has quicker cruise/top speed, big alpha from the 37mm & 23mms but they're fairly hard to reliably land, overheat pretty quick & its a little lacking in agility.

 

I've found it interesting that in the MiG several times I've taken a pass at an F-86, failed to land the cannon well enough for a wing crit/kill -> pitched up & boosted away like its reported that actual MiG pilots did.

 

In summary: Both are quite magnificent and powerful beasts in their own right with different strengths & weaknesses but I think pretty well matched overall.

Maybe the MiG has a higher skill ceiling, F-86 is easier to do decently with.

For the moment at least my La-15 is feeling outshined by both.


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In related news, would anyone want to see the FJ-2 come into the game? Yes ArrowZ_, even the Navy/ Marines got in on the Sabre too. 4x Mk.12's would be a fun alternative off of the FJ-1.




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