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GeorgePatton #1 Posted 10 August 2018 - 09:24 PM

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If it's possible, could we have the forum set up so that a player must have a specified number of battles within the last week/month to post? This would really help with all of the negative posts from people who don't even play the game anymore.

 

 

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Bubba_Zanetti #2 Posted 10 August 2018 - 09:33 PM

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mnbv_fockewulfe #3 Posted 10 August 2018 - 09:39 PM

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That would drop literally half the population of the forum from posting.

Traitor. :trollface:


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View PostGeorgePatton, on 10 August 2018 - 03:24 PM, said:

If it's possible, could we have the forum set up so that a player must have a specified number of battles within the last week/month to post? This would really help with all of the negative posts from people who don't even play the game anymore.

 

 

Cheers!
Glenn

 

Oh I am on that train! (+1)

 

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Perco_lator #5 Posted 10 August 2018 - 09:54 PM

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View PostGeorgePatton, on 15 January 2018 - 03:15 PM, said:

Hello Everyone,

 

As the title of this post says, I am going to be leaving the Wargaming Trilogy - World of Tanks, World of Warplanes, and World of Warships. 

 

My decision to leave has been hard, but is pretty straightforward. Wargaming.net just doesn't care about their playerbase if they're not making money off of them. I'm not making this statement on unsubstantiated opinion - I'm the longest active member of the World of Warplanes project as of the time I'm leaving and I've seen all the promises made to players and the failure to follow through on many of the promises. In this post, I'm going to detail the broken promises that to me have proven Wargaming.net really doesn't care about us - their players/customers.

 

So why don't I just go quietly into the sunset and move on happily? The answer is quite simple. I invested a LOT of my life into this project - I submitted thousands of feedback items during the early alpha stages of development (no, not the Alpha most of you are thinking of... previous to the Global Alpha, there was an 'Alpha' and previous to that, there was a 'Friends and Family' alpha which I had the good fortune to participate in) and continued to submit feedback regularly until about a year ago. I also had the chance to coordinate the English-speaking Supertest for the World of Warplanes project where I was responsible for initial recruiting of Supertesters in the North American and European regions, cultural competency programs, as well as managing the day-to-day testing of the supertest program. I also ran the community newsletter until I could no longer get relevant information from the development team. I ran several Q&A threads on air combat tactics and how to employ them in World of Warplanes. Basically, I was the guy you would tell to 'get a life' and I would reply with an over-the-top polite post telling you exactly why I was doing what I was doing. In short, I am passionate about aviation and videogames and this was the first place where the two came together in a fun free-to-play format. Was. 

 

If anyone wonders - I was never paid by Wargaming.net. I was never an employee of Wargaming.net. Everything I did for Wargaming.net was as a volunteer - the roles I filled should have been filled by an employee of the company, yes, but I filled them as a volunteer because that's how they would allow me to participate in the development of the project I loved so much. I was young, and I was dumb and did not realize how much I was contributing to the project.

 

I was told many things would happen with the game - that specific requests were going to be implemented 'quickly' and 'as soon as possible' or 'a little later in the development process'. Things anyone who has been around World of Warplanes has heard a million times. As time went on and these aspects of the game were pushed further and further into the mythical realm of 'soon™' those of us who were invested in the project began to hear rumors of the feedback that the developers sought - the feedback of players with less than 500 battles - then this became substantiated when I was required to recruit players to the Supertest (highest level of volunteer testing) who had barely started to play the game. I was literally required to recruit players with less than 500 battles total in the game to shape the future of the project. As you can imagine, the results were disastrous - not only were players with this little experience hard to find after the disastrous game changes in the year after release, but finding players with any kind of dedication to the project after only playing 1-500 battles was next to impossible. The reasoning was that the game had a learning curve that was more steep than the average 'Call of Duty' player would care to stick around for and so we should listen to the average 'Call of Duty' gamer who didn't have enough interest to stick around on how to change the game so he/she would want to stick around. OK - yeah... Good idea, Wargaming. You're totally going to get people who care about the project by recruiting people who don't care about the project. Predictably, the Supertest program fell apart in the NA/EU regions as nobody could be convinced to participate due to failure of the developers to recruit players who actually cared. Those of us who did care were given nothing due to a lawsuit filed by participants in the World of Tanks Supertest arguing that they were doing work which was also done by people being paid for the work they were doing and as such were entitled to monetary compensation and health benefits equal to that of their paid counterparts under California state labor law. As anyone can imagine, convincing people to participate in testing when they get nothing in return and you tell them their feedback is 'too experienced' is a recipe for disaster and so we left.

 

So - I stuck around this long after all of the failures of the testing program - why leave now?

 

We (testers of the game) were promised specific rewards by the developers for our contribution to a successful launch of their product. Up until this point, Wargaming.net has at least appeared to be making good on those promises. With the latest update of the game, they decided to discontinue at least one of the promised rewards for testers - the so-called 'Parade Skins' and 'Tester Emblems'. In this spoiler, you can see the specified rewards:

 

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As you can see, the page clearly states "Later on, these special emblems will be available for use on any plane."

 

Well, you guessed it - as of the latest patch, the newest aircraft were deliberately created without the ability to apply either the 'Parade Camouflage' or the 'Tester Emblems'. There was a thread created which detailed a 'bug' with this - we all assumed that something went wrong - but a support ticket filed by one of the testers received a reply:

 

 

Wargaming has directly decided to get rid of one of the tester benefits.

 

So - why does this apparently minor issue become the straw that broke the camel's back?

 

I've stayed around this project for the years I've been here trying to rally support for a project which is obviously not doing as well as it should be. I've always told myself 'they've got to be trying - just give them more time,' and I've managed to convince myself (and others) that eventually we would have the game we loved back in a state we could all enjoy for the most part. I looked at the promises Wargaming.net had made to me directly as a tester and saw that they had, indeed, followed through - why wouldn't they follow through on the rest even if at a later point than I would like them to due to 'technical difficulties'?

 

As of this writing, the suspicion I've harbored and tried to ignore for a couple years is no longer simply a suspicion. Wargaming.net (as a company) does not care about the people who play their game. They don't care to honor the promises they've made to people who spent their time (unpaid) assisting them in making money. I'm no longer going to contribute my time and my experience to a company that doesn't care about me, you, or anyone else involved with their project.

 

I love World of Warplanes. I love our community (even the guys I argue with!). I will not be used anymore by a corporation that wants to take everything they can from me and throw me to the side. I have numerous support tickets that simply went unanswered. I've made numerous requests to the developers for assistance with getting their game up and running after an update forced me to take a leave of absence due to the game not running on my computer (solved only by the fact that I got a new rig for VR experience development). I was ignored. I'm done. I'm done promoting a company that doesn't care about anyone but the company. You should be too.

 

Clan Wars? "Clan Wars will be released with the release of the game." Now, almost FIVE YEARS after release of the game, we are no closer to a date for clan wars to be released. Why are any of us still here?

 

 

 

Thank you all for a good time while I was here - thank you to everyone who differed with me for giving me experience in online communication and conflict resolution - thank you to everyone who shot me down for showing me what I could do better! I really appreciated all the good times with each and every one of you I've interacted with.

 

Thank you specifically to the amazing Community teams I've had the privilege of working with - Mugsy_, Hathore, Gunlion, WellingtonBoot, TzarIvan, Dance2010, Taaadah, and GhostPrime. You guys really put in the effort to support us where the higher-ups wouldn't and I know none of this is your fault.

 

 

Cheers!
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MelBrooks #6 Posted 10 August 2018 - 10:19 PM

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NA forums George.....remember when they outsourced the moderators a few years back and they went all Stalin on us. Ghostprime had to hire a security detail to get to his car everyday after work. Not a good idea to do in a western democracy.

ArrowZ_ #7 Posted 10 August 2018 - 10:36 PM

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View Postmnbv_fockewulfe, on 11 August 2018 - 07:09 AM, said:

That would drop literally half the population of the forum from posting.

Traitor. :trollface:

 

More than half :P

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Animal_of_Pryale #8 Posted 10 August 2018 - 10:36 PM

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If they haven't played for a while and are still posting, means they haven't actually left, and could potentially start playing again.  Once they see that their input from the bleachers isn't going to change things, you will either eventually not hear from them again, or they will quietly start playing again.


 

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Maybe just prevent us from posting in the suggestions section?:bajan:

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Prenzlau #10 Posted 11 August 2018 - 12:38 AM

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View PostPerco_lator, on 10 August 2018 - 03:54 PM, said:

 

 

So GeorgePatton left, and in doing so he made a statement. It probably was a tough decision for him, but at the time he probably also thought it was the right decision. Fine, that is history. Anyone can quit something, it is their right to do so and it is not hard to do.

The fact that he came back speaks volumes for his character. It took guts to come back to a situation that was hard to endure. This community needs people like GeorgePatton. 

He does not deserve to be disrespected by someone who can't even find the courage to actually quit and leave, instead you haunt the forums like some lost ghost sniping at people. 

 

George's idea would "clean up the town" and get rid of a lot of the negativity from those who no longer participate. 

So the one's who see that writing on the wall now throw things back in George's face. 

 

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El_Mulo #11 Posted 11 August 2018 - 02:23 AM

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View PostGeorgePatton, on 10 August 2018 - 09:24 PM, said:

If it's possible, could we have the forum set up so that a player must have a specified number of battles within the last week/month to post? This would really help with all of the negative posts from people who don't even play the game anymore.

 

 

Cheers!
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Sorry but I disagree.  It sounds a little "roman"  ===>  Only some of us are really citizens of the empire with full rights????

What about of the freedom of speach???
If they still are here in the forum is because they're still part of our community.


Edited by El_Mulo, 11 August 2018 - 02:24 AM.

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GeorgePatton #12 Posted 11 August 2018 - 02:43 AM

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View PostPerco_lator, on 10 August 2018 - 04:54 PM, said:

 

 

I don't see your point... I left because Wargaming stole from the testers. I seemed to be the only one who really cared and I decided to get over it and come back to a place where I enjoyed most of the company and the idea of the game.

 

View PostEl_Mulo, on 10 August 2018 - 09:23 PM, said:

 

Sorry but I disagree.  It sounds a little "roman"  ===>  Only some of us are really citizens of the empire with full rights????

What about of the freedom of speach???
If they still are here in the forum is because they're still part of our community.

 

Those who wish to remain members of the community should participate in what makes the community. Otherwise they're just people who found a place where they can get reactions for being negative/trolls. It's honestly hurting business for Wargaming.

 

View PostAnimal_of_Pryale, on 10 August 2018 - 05:36 PM, said:

If they haven't played for a while and are still posting, means they haven't actually left, and could potentially start playing again.  Once they see that their input from the bleachers isn't going to change things, you will either eventually not hear from them again, or they will quietly start playing again.


No one hangs out on the sidelines for long except shills, and that's an issue for wargaming counter intelligence.       

 

The problem is that it would appear there are now six games in Wargaming's portfolio - World of Tanks, World of Warships, Total War: Arenas, Master of Orion, World of Warplanes: Forum, and World of Warplanes - in that order. (Ignoring the console/mobile versions of any of those games) Wargaming needs to make the World of Warplanes: Forum edition disappear before World of Warplanes does.

 

 

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BoredSights #13 Posted 11 August 2018 - 02:57 AM

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So to help the game grow we need a safe space? Just take it on the chin and each user puts the users you don't like on Ignore.


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View PostGeorgePatton, on 11 August 2018 - 02:43 AM, said:

 

 

Those who wish to remain members of the community should participate in what makes the community. 

 

Agree!!! And posting here is part of what the community does.  
I think anyone who wants can write here what he thinks.  Why we should limit that? 

If you don 't think is productive just don't read it.  
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View PostEl_Mulo, on 10 August 2018 - 09:57 PM, said:

 

Agree!!! And posting here is part of what the community does.  
I think anyone who wants can write here what he thinks.  Why we should limit that? 

If you don 't think is productive just don't read it.  
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Mulo, how many times have I told you to knock it off with the common sense around here. You're confusing the hell out of them.

Perco_lator #16 Posted 11 August 2018 - 03:18 AM

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View PostGeorgePatton, on 10 August 2018 - 10:43 PM, said:

 

 I left because Wargaming stole from the testers.

 

Perhaps you should re-read your exit speech, there seems to be a few more reasons than just WG stole from testers listed there. But hey I am happy you got over it.

 

View PostGeorgePatton, on 10 August 2018 - 10:43 PM, said:

 

Those who wish to remain members of the community should participate in what makes the community. Otherwise they're just people who found a place where they can get reactions for being negative/trolls. It's honestly hurting business for Wargaming.

 

 

The only thing hurting WG's business is a failure to develop WOWP into a game that is able to retain a healthy player base.

 

View PostGeorgePatton, on 10 August 2018 - 10:43 PM, said:

 

Wargaming needs to make the World of Warplanes: Forum edition disappear before World of Warplanes does.

 

Wrong again, WG needs to make WOWP the game worthy of attracting old & new players so the forum edition would disappear on its own.


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Bubba_Zanetti #17 Posted 11 August 2018 - 03:42 AM

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View PostPerco_lator, on 10 August 2018 - 10:18 PM, said:

so the forum edition would disappear on its own.

 

WHAT!!!!  What is this heresy you spout!?!!  I would think WOWPFE would flourish with even more dedicated players that are unable to play the full game yet have access to phone/work device/wife thinks you're socializing with neighbours/friends scenario.

 

Imagine the huge increase of: Team collisions are wrong, both should die, please ban so and so, I'm leaving for good, this planes op please nerf, moar bombers, where's my F6F, I want WW I planes/Missile laden Mach 2.0 jets, balance MM, only 1 tier spread, seal clubbing is wrong, seal clubbing is fun, where's the anniversaries/alpha/beta emblems, this update sux, this update is da bomb, clan wars/end game soon? etc, etc.  Maybe we can get a newsletter going again one day too!


 

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View PostBubba_Zanetti, on 10 August 2018 - 11:42 PM, said:

 

WHAT!!!!  What is this heresy you spout!?!!  I would think WOWPFE would flourish with even more dedicated players that are unable to play the full game yet have access to phone/work device/wife thinks you're socializing with neighbours/friends scenario.

 

Imagine the huge increase of: Team collisions are wrong, both should die, please ban so and so, I'm leaving for good, this planes op please nerf, moar bombers, where's my F6F, I want WW I planes/Missile laden Mach 2.0 jets, balance MM, only 1 tier spread, seal clubbing is wrong, seal clubbing is fun, where's the anniversaries/alpha/beta emblems, this update sux, this update is da bomb, clan wars/end game soon? etc, etc.  Maybe we can get a newsletter going again one day too!

 

When I say disappear, what I meant is that WOWPFE would go back to having unofficial status & would no longer be the #1 WOWP game mode.

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View PostPerco_lator, on 10 August 2018 - 11:05 PM, said:

 

When I say disappear, what I meant is that WOWPFE would go back to having unofficial status & would no longer be the #1 WOWP game mode.

 

Oh

 

Ok

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Reitousair #20 Posted 11 August 2018 - 04:46 AM

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While I'm still a newcomer to the forums (only started posting back in February this year) this doesn't seem like a particularly good idea.

 

Just because somebody is negative and refuses to play a game they deem broken but has a community they enjoy (for various purposes...) doesn't mean their words are meaningless. Besides, you'd still have those that'd play just enough battles and still play the WoWp forum game.

 

I quite enjoy eating popcorn as well, who needs movies anyways?


I do fly Chinese aircraft a fair amount so... *ahem*

CHINA NUMBAH WAN

 

I even made a custom skin for my IL-10M!

 





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