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comtedumas #1 Posted 08 August 2018 - 07:26 PM

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Not too familiar with USSR bomber lines from WWII.  Not attack aircraft, but when would be considered “bomber” aircraft.  Anyone got good sources for this information?  

 

This is just came up because developer questions just mentioned USA and USSR bomber lines are waiting to be released.  



CorvusCorvax #2 Posted 08 August 2018 - 07:43 PM

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Pe-2, for sure.

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Rumor has it they'll only go from tier 2 to tier 5 to start, but Soviets have a fair few medium bombers they could bring to the table. They also have a lot of jet medium bombers they can use though I can't remember all of them off the top of my head, still, I'll post a few links of potential picks for the bomber line (though some of them will be in the latter half of the tiers)

 

Here's some wikipedia links of Soviet bombers that are likely/I would like to see

 


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El_Mulo #4 Posted 09 August 2018 - 02:59 AM

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 Surely Mr  J3llyFish did the Russian Bombers line.
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SpiritFoxMY #5 Posted 09 August 2018 - 03:06 AM

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Tier III: Tupolev SB

Tier IV: Arkhangelski Ar-2

Tier V: Petlyakov Pe-2

Tier VI: Ilyushin IL-4

Tier VII: Tupolev Tu-2

Tier VIII: Tupolev Tu-12

Tier IX: Tupolev Tu-14

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NorthernPorter #6 Posted 09 August 2018 - 01:59 PM

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I came across the book recently, The Rand McNally Encyclopedia Of Military Aircraft, 1914-1980, *found it cheap on ebay if you wanted a copy for yourself.*

I've found it really helpful in discovering all sorts of aircraft from numerous nations. It's become my first source when looking up aircraft. They have a nice selection of bombers in it, I'll see if I can include a page from it.

 



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View PostCorvusCorvax, on 08 August 2018 - 02:43 PM, said:

Pe-2, for sure.

 

That would be a fun bomber.  There is also the IL-6,  Polikarpov NB, and the  Tupolev ANT-40.  I don't know if the lend-lease A-20 would be used as a Soviet or US bomber.

comtedumas #8 Posted 10 August 2018 - 05:11 PM

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So, I am seeing a lot of tactical bombers, but not heavy bombers like the US and U.K. Had and the bomber offenseives they had versus Germany.  

 

I mean, they have written multiple books over one 1000 plane raid over Germany, but did USSR use bombers on that level?  Is that why we don't know much about their bomber efforts?  



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View Postcomtedumas, on 10 August 2018 - 12:11 PM, said:

So, I am seeing a lot of tactical bombers, but not heavy bombers like the US and U.K. Had and the bomber offenseives they had versus Germany.  

 

I mean, they have written multiple books over one 1000 plane raid over Germany, but did USSR use bombers on that level?  Is that why we don't know much about their bomber efforts?  

 

By the strictest sense?  Russia had 2 Heavy bombers, PE-8 and the TB-3.  Supply was a big problem for the Russian Air Service.  Rapid advancement of the German Army has estimates that the Russians destroyed hundreds aircraft themselves on their retreat and the Luftwaffe counts are as high as 2,500 aircraft that they destroyed on the ground.  Add in ground crews and pilots who weren't experienced and you then suffered further losses through accidents, friendly fire, and even just mechanical breakdown. 

 

For instance the 14th heavy bomber regiment was supplied with 14-17 Pe-8's they flew around 200 or so missions in the course of 9 months.  14 bombers were lost, but only 5 from combat, the other 9 were from mechanical or engine failure. 

 

The TB-3 was obsolete and was pulled from service around 1939 but due to necessity it was pressed hard for night missions, troop transport and cargo.  But again logistics and supply hampered the TB-3.  Not by the numbers of planes on hand, but the number of planes on hand to escort it. This meant lower altitude, daytime missions without fighter escort which just decimated the amount of trained crew on hand and the number of planes in reserve.

 

Think it was late in 1943...  Possibly 1944 most of the Heavy Bomber units began to be equipped with the B-25 supplied through Lend Lease.  Sorry for the vagueness, going off of memory from the Encyclopedia of WWII aircraft (don't have it with me at work :( )  But if I remember right instead of focusing on bombers the Russian Air Service opted for ground attack and fighters. the Pe-2, IL-10 and the Yaks and LaGGs.


Edited by vonKaiser, 10 August 2018 - 09:26 PM.

 

 


comtedumas #10 Posted 11 August 2018 - 01:12 AM

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View PostvonKaiser, on 10 August 2018 - 04:25 PM, said:

 

By the strictest sense?  Russia had 2 Heavy bombers, PE-8 and the TB-3.  Supply was a big problem for the Russian Air Service.  Rapid advancement of the German Army has estimates that the Russians destroyed hundreds aircraft themselves on their retreat and the Luftwaffe counts are as high as 2,500 aircraft that they destroyed on the ground.  Add in ground crews and pilots who weren't experienced and you then suffered further losses through accidents, friendly fire, and even just mechanical breakdown. 

 

For instance the 14th heavy bomber regiment was supplied with 14-17 Pe-8's they flew around 200 or so missions in the course of 9 months.  14 bombers were lost, but only 5 from combat, the other 9 were from mechanical or engine failure. 

 

The TB-3 was obsolete and was pulled from service around 1939 but due to necessity it was pressed hard for night missions, troop transport and cargo.  But again logistics and supply hampered the TB-3.  Not by the numbers of planes on hand, but the number of planes on hand to escort it. This meant lower altitude, daytime missions without fighter escort which just decimated the amount of trained crew on hand and the number of planes in reserve.

 

Think it was late in 1943...  Possibly 1944 most of the Heavy Bomber units began to be equipped with the B-25 supplied through Lend Lease.  Sorry for the vagueness, going off of memory from the Encyclopedia of WWII aircraft (don't have it with me at work :( )  But if I remember right instead of focusing on bombers the Russian Air Service opted for ground attack and fighters. the Pe-2, IL-10 and the Yaks and LaGGs.

So, did the B-25s designation change?  In US service they were medium bombers, but in Soviet service they were Heavy bombers?  Just seems weird, and no real books on it....



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The fighting on the eastern front just militated against heavy strategic bombers both from the sheer distances to each country's industrial heartlands and the the infrastructure and industrial capacity available. With their backs against the wall, the Soviets kinda needed everything on the front line and strategic bombers just fell by the wayside.

 

With regards to the TB-3...

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View Postcomtedumas, on 10 August 2018 - 08:12 PM, said:

So, did the B-25s designation change?  In US service they were medium bombers, but in Soviet service they were Heavy bombers?  Just seems weird, and no real books on it....

 

  In Soviet service they were just needed.  They used anything they could regardless of if it fit a typical designation

 

 


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View Postcomtedumas, on 10 August 2018 - 06:12 PM, said:

So, did the B-25s designation change?  In US service they were medium bombers, but in Soviet service they were Heavy bombers?  Just seems weird, and no real books on it....

 

While this doesn't mention a change in designation (likely just called them the equivalent of B-25 in Russian or by a nickname,) I found this article: http://lend-lease.airforce.ru/english/articles/akvilyanov/index.htm

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