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mnbv_fockewulfe #1 Posted 08 August 2018 - 05:22 PM

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Mainly for my benefit to talk about the responses in the official questions thread and avoid unnecessary clutter in there.

If you have a question ask it here. http://forum.worldof...the-developers/

If you want to talk about the stuff in the above linked thread, do it here.:honoring::izmena: 


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I find this idea agreeable. 

 

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Ace_BOTlistic_Cosmo #3 Posted 08 August 2018 - 11:03 PM

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View Postmnbv_fockewulfe, on 08 August 2018 - 12:22 PM, said:

Mainly for my benefit to talk about the responses in the official questions thread and avoid unnecessary clutter in there.

If you have a question ask it here. http://forum.worldof...the-developers/

If you want to talk about the stuff in the above linked thread, do it here.:honoring::izmena: 

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mnbv_fockewulfe #5 Posted 09 August 2018 - 02:34 AM

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View PostAce_BOTlistic_Cosmo, on 08 August 2018 - 11:03 PM, said:

YOU ARE NOT MY BOSS MNBV FW

 

reported for all caps :P

View PostArrowZ_, on 09 August 2018 - 12:44 AM, said:

Cheeky... :popcorn:

 

I am here to serve.:popcorn:

I am also here to be the only one with any productive ideas.:trollface:

edit: watch me as I instantly derail my own thread


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Ace_BOTlistic_Cosmo #6 Posted 09 August 2018 - 02:42 AM

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View Postmnbv_fockewulfe, on 08 August 2018 - 09:34 PM, said:

 

reported for all caps :P

 

I am here to serve.:popcorn:

I am also here to be the only one with any productive ideas.:trollface:

edit: watch me as I instantly derail my own thread

under 25...

unwritten rule...

also you were in full bossy mode,

you needed a clip in the leg tendon

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if the pilot's good, see, I mean, if he's really..sharp, he can barrel that baby in so low [he spreads his arms like wings and laughs],

you oughtta see it sometime, it's a sight. A big plane like a '52. VRROOM! There's jet exhaust, fryin' chickens in the barnyard.


mnbv_fockewulfe #7 Posted 09 August 2018 - 11:00 PM

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3. New equipment and upgrade system - how and why?

 

From the point of view of the Game Designers the system is basically identical to the previous one and performs the same tasks, but it gives more opportunities for the player in the specialization of his aircraft.

It is not the same. It gives a decided advantage to specialist aircraft while constituting a nerf to our previously elite aircraft in the form of more equipment slots than we had before the update for specialist planes and less slots for elited planes than before the update. You're also forgetting to mention that the goal of specialization is to "encourage" the player to kit/play the plane in the manner desired by the devs, not by the player. 

 

The system of slots typification (when the equipment for the engine can be put only in the slot type of the engine) against the old system, when any equipment can be put in any slot  - if you conditionally think about returning the old system, then in a situation where we have 4-5 slots for equipment on airplanes, we will have to introduce additional restrictions so that there won't appear the unbalanced-strong builds of planes.

There is a hidden assumption here. The assumption, is that the equipment is perfectly balanced as it is now. The other assumption is that 4-5 equipment slots now are not stronger than 4-5 equipment slots then even with stronger equipment now. This is so logically false that it hurts my brain. I don't know where to being. How about I start with this. It is now possible to stack equipment on the pancake to the point of raising the max boost speed to 900km/h which is past the max dive speed. That's a 90km/h speed increase for only specialist planes, after tons of grinding, and with rockets which slow your speed down mounted. How about this, someone recorded a Ta 152 with a 100km/h speed max boost speed increase. That's only a 20km/h or so below max dive speed. Or how about an XF90 getting a max boost speed of 1300km/h, 100km/h past max dive speed. Luckly the game caps max level flight speed at max dive speed, but if the equipment allows you to do this in theory, it is horribly unbalanced equipment. The placement of the slots for the equipment isn't the issue. It's the ridiculous buffs for the equipment that's the issue. how is a 20% difference in weapons accuracy (plus additional +10% chance to critting power) between a specialist player and a noob at all fair? 

Please pay attention to the fact that such restrictions existed before, when certain types of equipment could not be equipped on some types of aircraft.

But now, GA don't get Tail gunner equipment and bombers don't get bombsights (the latter only gets them for specialist). The logic is over 9000IQ.

The new system, among other things, allows us to add more different types of equipment.

To the detriment of the game in my opinion. Breaking up the acceleration equipment for example: for one thing it doesn't make sense an increase in horse power should not increase both cruise and max level speed. Engine tuning increased both at the same time before, for a much more modest increase of only 5%. And if you do stack both types of equipment you get a 10% increase in both types of acceleration. Still twice as much as we had before (at twice as much as a plane which can only mount one of those pieces of equipment). The boosting power equipment specifically allows prop planes to gain airspeed in a pure vertical climb. Really balanced. 

This is a great potential and a reserve for future builds. In addition, the new system, unlike the old one, is expandable, and allows us to make new configurations for existing aircraft that will have different slot configurations for equipment, thus giving us the opportunity to bring new planes with unique characteristics into the game. 

I'm calling B*S on this one. The positioning of equipment on planes by class is internally inconsistent. For example: most multiroles don't get a rockets/bombs equipment slot. Why not? The P-51 Light fighter doesn't get a weapons slot even though it desperately needs one, the Ta 152 light fighter which doesn't need one gets one, and makes it's firepower even more powerful. These are only a few examples but Persha seems to be very poor at choosing slots for equipment. Allow me to reiterate that the positioning of the slots doesn't effect balance nearly as much as the insane buffs the equipment provides.     

 

As for the restrictions for consumables is concerned, Emergency Medical Kit and Fire Extinguisher both were equipped by the 80% of players in every single battle, that in fact meant that:

Funny this is considered a problem now? I've been rocking the same consumables for 4 years, first aid, fire extinguisher, and pneumatic restarter. What's wrong with putting what I need to on my plane?

  • the players had no choice what kind of consumables to take - it was necessary to equip only those;
  • the use of different ammunition was meaningless, as the effects of the ammunition was offset by the fact that everyone had the two constant consumables that treated crits and fires. 

Now whose fault is it that the players had "no choice what equipment to take"? Could it possibly be the devs? Maybe? Just maybe? Nah/sarcasm off
Fire kits and med kits are frequent because fires and pilot crits are frequent and deadly. I don't have an obvious answer to fix this, but maybe just change the mechanics of the game so that the meta isn't fire kits and med kits. The meta hasn't changed, we've just been nerfed in our ability to defend ourselves against it. 

 

In the new system, in fact, the player needs to think about what to choose, and there is a choice.

There is not a choice to pick both. See above.

Moreover, the ammunition now is not meaningless and it is possible to use your advantages in combat and think more how to behave according to the consumables you equipped.

So persha realized that players were quitting because of the browser game quality of the gameplay?/sarcasm off

What's the added benefit of increasing the time to kill by a fraction of a second when 1 kill is already really easy to acquire and basically meaningless? 

 

Therefore, we do not consider the new system to be a nerf, but rather an extension and an opportunity for development. 

Another moment of B*S (sorry for the strong language. I don't use it often, but I hope this gets across what a concern I have for the game, the balance in particular. )The new system contributes to the new player gap by putting people people with large battle counts at an astounding advantage over people with low battle counts. A quote from my official feedback response. 

"-The new equipment upgrades/stacks to provide too much advantage...Buffs like this contribute to a drastically larger New Player Gap. The majority of the player base falls into two main categories: those who play a lot/often; and those who play a little/infrequently. Due to the extremely grindy nature of equipment upgrading and specialization, players who play a lot will invariably run into players who play a little often. The debuffs aren't sufficient to impair a good pilot, therefore punishing the player who plays less. New players will be shot down more easily and potentially lose more often, driving them away. This principle extends to players who play a lot but have few battles in their airplanes. Before, if I took out my equipped Spitfire (a plane of mine with a low battle count), I was on even terms with any other human Spitfire bar pilot skills. Now I will be at a disadvantage to someone who plays the Spitfire a lot."

 


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View PostMARS_REVENANT, on 08 August 2018 - 03:15 PM, said:

 If you cant see the plane, why can you still see its name, or health bar?

 

that is a damn good idea!    please blank out all enemy info behind clouds, just like you do now with distance

 

maybe a tiny black moving dot, just like long distance?   or maybe just nothing at all?   

 

what a great new dimension for air combat!

 

of course, the cloud-hidden plane couldn't see out either

 

except on the radar, both could still see each other...  because radar

 

edit:   maybe throw some more clouds around in more maps... you guys code bushes on most almost every wot map       

 

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View Postswarthgood, on 10 August 2018 - 08:49 AM, said:

When will the developers create a NEW PR Number for the NEW Hall Of Fame - There are well over 1800 Pilots now on the NEW HOF. Currently there are ONLY 1st, 2nd, 3rd place etc.for each STAT category. By creating a NEW equation they can instantly fix the current Clan Rating system -- Swap out the OLD 1.9 PR numbers for the NEW PR number. Plug that into the Clan Rating equation and voila' - a completely new, and correct rating number is generated AND, all of the existing CLANS that are holding their positions with ABSENTEE/PLACE holders no longer playing, will fall to where they really should be - AT the BOTTOM of the list; Those clans will be replaced with clans who have pilots that stayed to learn and play 2.0 , and will rewarded for their efforts to move their respective clans to the top of the list . IT is time for that to happen to reward the real people who have chosen to stay and play.

 

Well said.  Why has it 'been working on it' for 9 months without a resolution of the old PR number?
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This makes sense. Why has it taken so long to fix?

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View Postswarthgood, on 10 August 2018 - 01:49 PM, said:

When will the developers create a NEW PR Number for the NEW Hall Of Fame - There are well over 1800 Pilots now on the NEW HOF. Currently there are ONLY 1st, 2nd, 3rd place etc.for each STAT category. By creating a NEW equation they can instantly fix the current Clan Rating system -- Swap out the OLD 1.9 PR numbers for the NEW PR number. Plug that into the Clan Rating equation and voila' - a completely new, and correct rating number is generated AND, all of the existing CLANS that are holding their positions with ABSENTEE/PLACE holders no longer playing, will fall to where they really should be - AT the BOTTOM of the list; Those clans will be replaced with clans who have pilots that stayed to learn and play 2.0 , and will rewarded for their efforts to move their respective clans to the top of the list . IT is time for that to happen to reward the real people who have chosen to stay and play.

 

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View Postswarthgood, on 10 August 2018 - 11:49 PM, said:

When will the developers create a NEW PR Number for the NEW Hall Of Fame - There are well over 1800 Pilots now on the NEW HOF. Currently there are ONLY 1st, 2nd, 3rd place etc.for each STAT category. By creating a NEW equation they can instantly fix the current Clan Rating system -- Swap out the OLD 1.9 PR numbers for the NEW PR number. Plug that into the Clan Rating equation and voila' - a completely new, and correct rating number is generated AND, all of the existing CLANS that are holding their positions with ABSENTEE/PLACE holders no longer playing, will fall to where they really should be - AT the BOTTOM of the list; Those clans will be replaced with clans who have pilots that stayed to learn and play 2.0 , and will rewarded for their efforts to move their respective clans to the top of the list . IT is time for that to happen to reward the real people who have chosen to stay and play.

 

Totally agree. This is not rocket science, just insert a new algorithm and Bob's your uncle, everybody's happy.

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View Postswarthgood, on 10 August 2018 - 09:49 AM, said:

When will the developers create a NEW PR Number for the NEW Hall Of Fame - There are well over 1800 Pilots now on the NEW HOF. Currently there are ONLY 1st, 2nd, 3rd place etc.for each STAT category. By creating a NEW equation they can instantly fix the current Clan Rating system -- Swap out the OLD 1.9 PR numbers for the NEW PR number. Plug that into the Clan Rating equation and voila' - a completely new, and correct rating number is generated AND, all of the existing CLANS that are holding their positions with ABSENTEE/PLACE holders no longer playing, will fall to where they really should be - AT the BOTTOM of the list; Those clans will be replaced with clans who have pilots that stayed to learn and play 2.0 , and will rewarded for their efforts to move their respective clans to the top of the list . IT is time for that to happen to reward the real people who have chosen to stay and play.

 

Totally agree,do something about this ASP.

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View Postswarthgood, on 10 August 2018 - 07:49 AM, said:

When will the developers create a NEW PR Number for the NEW Hall Of Fame - There are well over 1800 Pilots now on the NEW HOF. Currently there are ONLY 1st, 2nd, 3rd place etc.for each STAT category. By creating a NEW equation they can instantly fix the current Clan Rating system -- Swap out the OLD 1.9 PR numbers for the NEW PR number. Plug that into the Clan Rating equation and voila' - a completely new, and correct rating number is generated AND, all of the existing CLANS that are holding their positions with ABSENTEE/PLACE holders no longer playing, will fall to where they really should be - AT the BOTTOM of the list; Those clans will be replaced with clans who have pilots that stayed to learn and play 2.0 , and will rewarded for their efforts to move their respective clans to the top of the list . IT is time for that to happen to reward the real people who have chosen to stay and play.

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yup

 


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View Postswarthgood, on 10 August 2018 - 08:49 AM, said:

When will the developers create a NEW PR Number for the NEW Hall Of Fame - There are well over 1800 Pilots now on the NEW HOF. Currently there are ONLY 1st, 2nd, 3rd place etc.for each STAT category. By creating a NEW equation they can instantly fix the current Clan Rating system -- Swap out the OLD 1.9 PR numbers for the NEW PR number. Plug that into the Clan Rating equation and voila' - a completely new, and correct rating number is generated AND, all of the existing CLANS that are holding their positions with ABSENTEE/PLACE holders no longer playing, will fall to where they really should be - AT the BOTTOM of the list; Those clans will be replaced with clans who have pilots that stayed to learn and play 2.0 , and will rewarded for their efforts to move their respective clans to the top of the list . IT is time for that to happen to reward the real people who have chosen to stay and play.

 

TOTALLY AGREE...Its time for  WoW  to at least fix the simplest thing for the clans that keep this game alive..........for now 

 



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I agree totally - the clan ratings must reflect the new PR under 2.0.  Reward the pilots who have remained to overcome the challenges associated with the changes.  Time to through out the old 1.9 numbers.

Thank you to all who have brought up this topic and added thoughtful comments!



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View PostCaptain_HindGrinder_2015, on 12 August 2018 - 12:23 PM, said:

I agree totally - the clan ratings must reflect the new PR under 2.0.  Reward the pilots who have remained to overcome the challenges associated with the changes.  Time to through out the old 1.9 numbers.

Thank you to all who have brought up this topic and added thoughtful comments!

 

There’s a reward for padding stats for the clan standings?  What is it?  Clan wars?  Competitive tournaments like tanks/ships?  Anniversary gifts for all clan members of top clan?

 

How about just remove the whole page?  Give a 404 error with a pic of a black cat and an axe!  Or Kilroy waz here.


 

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View PostBubba_Zanetti, on 12 August 2018 - 05:52 PM, said:

 

There’s a reward for padding stats for the clan standings?  What is it?  Clan wars?  Competitive tournaments like tanks/ships?  Anniversary gifts for all clan members of top clan?

 

How about just remove the whole page?  Give a 404 error with a pic of a black cat and an axe!  Or Kilroy waz here.

 

Bubba -- the post is about fixing the PR numbers -- NOT about prizes , clan wars or anything else - STAY ON THE TOPIC OR DON"T POST

 



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View Postswarthgood, on 12 August 2018 - 02:48 PM, said:

 

Bubba -- the post is about fixing the PR numbers -- NOT about prizes , clan wars or anything else - STAY ON THE TOPIC OR DON"T POST

 

 

No, the OP is about questions to developers.

 

“The sad truth is that the one thing around here is that we can always rely on is broken promises”& WarMagic the Scattering- Ace_BOTlistic_Cosmo █ If a company can't handle the truth based on pixelated facts then they shouldn't be in this industry to begin with. Or stop overreaching at areas where they obviously lack the resources to make a sucess (WOWP)” - ArrowZ_  As it is, this “upgrade” is totally misdirected and completely ignores all player feedback over the past few years.  How this studio continues on with the parent company is a total mystery to me.” - Bobby_Tables  The only thing that will fix this game is for the developers to right click and hit send to trash. - xPALEHORSEx  They've been around a good while and seen a lot of flak so they surely must know what they're doing by now. - Catch21  All wargaming has done in all their games across the board have been stupid and greedy ideas. They are failing as a company so hard. - Veraxu  Maybe Persha should avoid patches with the number 5 in them... - mnbv-fockewulfe  You put the bombsite behind a lock until you get specialist for your bombers? That's just stupid. - comtedumas  claiming victory by fixing your own problems isn't victory, it's low brow chicanery.- TheMadPizzler  Flying games generally don't have broad appeal, and this one has issues and the company tends to pour gasoline those issues, not fix them - _Laserguided_   “I go to RU and (rhymes with git) all over dumb Slavs to express my rage.” - Rando CA  If you want to sell someone a car, you let them take it for a test drive, you don't run them over with it. - Blast_Radius1  My quote + Your signature + Please = Thank You” - Prenzlau  Feelings aren't stats, now shut up and go eat tide pods” - Noreaga  “The player online count was removed October 2017 and we don't have plans to return this number to be displayed. That is the decision of the developers team.”- blindfold  After a While it Becomes Tiresome (07.06.15)” - MALICE_AT_BIRTH  “Yes, we can have a place to report all the bugs and then watch as they all get ignored for 6 months” - Gang_Starr █ SonicPariah and blindfold might be listening to us, and sending our ideas along, but Persha sure isn't getting the message.” - CorvusCorvax  They just go on inventing new not-asked-for stuff before fixing what people clearly don't like ...”- GonerNL █ There is a difference between arcade and this roll your face on the keyboard simulator” - Fog_Heavy_Cruiser_Chokai  “The real question of the day: Is there room for one more quote in Bubba‘s signature? I certainly hope so.”- MelBrooks





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