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Bobby_Tables #41 Posted 17 August 2018 - 04:53 AM

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View PostChuck_norris10, on 16 August 2018 - 03:44 PM, said:

 

Kids these days dont appreciate the work us old timers put in to make a video and this was from the old days when bombing a perp was the thing to do if you didnt have rockets. I'll do a one on one with Bobby "boy" anytime tier 1 to 8.

We'll see who is still flying at the end.

 

 

Ah Chuck, I see after all these years your forum skin is still too thin.  You could probably find a 10 year old kid in the Democratic Republic of Congo who has never seen a computer.  Give him/her a computer and a mouse and he/she could beat me 1 on 1 in this game.  You see, I suck at this game, but I embrace that and thrive in it.   

 

Your legacy video is kinda cool, but I will still hold my opinion that posting videos from the time when General Grant initiated the siege of Vicksburg is a bit irrelevant to the game today.  Unless you are going for a "remember when" post.  

 

Personally, I have no animosity toward you.  I was just yanking your chain but I can see that your ability to take humor is quite limited. Sorry.  

 

If you do want a 1 on 1, I am happy to oblige.  Just beware that I am hard to kill, unless I am not.  I have no ego here, it's all fun and games.  


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Ace_BOTlistic_Cosmo #42 Posted 17 August 2018 - 09:32 PM

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View PostBobby_Tables, on 16 August 2018 - 11:53 PM, said:

 

Ah Chuck, I see after all these years your forum skin is still too thin.  You could probably find a 10 year old kid in the Democratic Republic of Congo who has never seen a computer.  Give him/her a computer and a mouse and he/she could beat me 1 on 1 in this game.  You see, I suck at this game, but I embrace that and thrive in it.   

 

Your legacy video is kinda cool, but I will still hold my opinion that posting videos from the time when General Grant initiated the siege of Vicksburg is a bit irrelevant to the game today.  Unless you are going for a "remember when" post.  

 

Personally, I have no animosity toward you.  I was just yanking your chain but I can see that your ability to take humor is quite limited. Sorry.  

 

If you do want a 1 on 1, I am happy to oblige.  Just beware that I am hard to kill, unless I am not.  I have no ego here, it's all fun and games.  

 

yea... go pick on us old guys you young whippersnapper

I'll have none of that...

I'll raise you a ao192

damn punks...

Chuck and I will do what the hell we want

get it?

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Edit: JK Booby T... you are a big part of the fun,

Chuck don't give a cluck what you gotta say anyway...

hehe


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Ace_BOTlistic_Cosmo #43 Posted 17 August 2018 - 09:50 PM

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View PostChuck_norris10, on 06 August 2018 - 09:36 PM, said:

heh heh!

 

Just have fun folks!  Dont fly under me or in front of me. A rocket or bomb will be waiting.

 

 

nice video Chuck...

damn I miss those maps



DennyFish311 #44 Posted 18 August 2018 - 01:12 PM

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Game is more fun when I remind myself its not costing me a penny to play. I used to spend a bit on prem. time planes etc. Have not will not spend a cent on this crapolla since 2.0 Hope this thing lasts for the winter as it gives me something to do and not spend anything. I am old and slow so this game is perfect. Fight hard.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

until this mess is finally over



Xr901 #45 Posted 19 August 2018 - 05:36 AM

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I have to agree that it does allow for greater customization and modification than before in many instances. My Spitfire XIV now cruises above its optimum airspeed, and can outturn most Yak-15s. There are things about the update that I really do like, but there's a lot I don't. The restrictions on equipment slots for one is something that really annoys me on multiroles because the outboard weapon slot I have found to be largely useless. I've never had any problem hitting ground targets with bombs or rockets, so I don't need the nerf to reload speed, something which is really counterproductive given how often I find I need the reload to finish caping an important sector because the bots are well... special... Furthermore, multiroles already are generally already at a significant disadvantage against fighters in air-to-air combat. This is exacerbated by the engine or airframe slot they give up to get the outboard weapon one. I'm not going to make it even worse by nerfing the speed of my aircraft by 3-7% to get some time knocked off the reload.

Like many other people I'm also not a fan of the economy. Parts are hard to come by, and there are never enough to go around. I do fairly well and probably get more scrap than many players but I like to fly a lot of different planes. at this point I only have a couple that have ultimate equipment on them.  Most of the parts I've gotten have gone to getting partially calibrated improved equipment on planes so that they fly a bit better. There are still a bunch I haven't flown since 2.0.5 because I don't have the parts to even do that, to get them to half the level the old equipment gave them before the update. Even most of the planes I've specialized only have one or two pieces of advanced equipment.

The fact that you can only get scrap on wins, and and that you can only progress towards specialization on wins is also a real pain, and somewhat counterproductive in my opinion. At this point the game doesn't provide any real reward for sticking with a battle that's a guaranteed loss (and I do mean guaranteed loss, not just it looks bad, I'm going to bail). You're better off going back to the hanger and playing something else, and I've started doing that when I'm 95% certain that it's a loss. I mean seriously, what benefit do you get? a little more XP and a few more credits? Even after buying a t10 for 6m credits today I've still got 50m, and the few XP i loose from not shooting those couple extra aircraft is more than offset by starting another battle where there's something to fight for.

I'll also freely admit, I'm one of the people who flies specialized spits a lot. I really like the spits, I've got 7 to choose from, and I've got some of them maxed out, but they're all competitive. I find that I have really cut back on the amount that I've been grinding lines since the update came out. It's just painful a lot of the time, but more than that, being at that kind of a disadvantage when you're short of parts to begin with, and are looking to get more to equip the planes you already have is a big turnoff. The pain of the grinds also isn't helped by the fact that you've got about a 50% chance to be matched against someone flying a specialist aircraft... or even solo against 2 tier IX specialists in a flight while you're in a stock F2G that only has the upgraded guns and 2 500lb bombs...
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I can't comment on whether the new version is better, but consider that I'm a new player (2 days) adding his participation to the server population, and I only tried out this game because someone on the WoT forum said that 2.0 was significantly improved and made WoWp much more enjoyable now. I believe quite a few WoT forumers gave WoWp a try after that post.

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the only players that like 2.0 is the skill less bombers

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I was playing earlier, and although I think there are a lot of problems, was loaded up my spitfire XIV which I have been playing around with recently and you certainly couldn't do this before 2.0.5... still makes me smile, I mean it is objectively kinda' stupid, but it's fun.
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Cruising over the optimum airspeed with a cruise speed of 110km/h faster than standard when fully upgraded, much better acceleration, a decrease in 360 turn time of something like .7 seconds, role rate increased by 26 degrees per second, etc. I mean if you were willing to invest even more time and parts you could make it go faster or more maneuverable, but this is just insane. It's significantly faster than my mustang, although it will probably not be staying like this...

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View PostXr901, on 19 August 2018 - 07:08 PM, said:

I was playing earlier, and although I think there are a lot of problems, was loaded up my spitfire XIV which I have been playing around with recently and you certainly couldn't do this before 2.0.5... still makes me smile, I mean it is objectively kinda' stupid, but it's fun.
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Cruising over the optimum airspeed with a cruise speed of 110km/h faster than standard when fully upgraded, much better acceleration, a decrease in 360 turn time of something like .7 seconds, role rate increased by 26 degrees per second, etc. I mean if you were willing to invest even more time and parts you could make it go faster or more maneuverable, but this is just insane. It's significantly faster than my mustang, although it will probably not be staying like this...

 

Considering the statements I've heard about changing it so the equipment is less OP, "Oh, that would mean we'd have to balance the equipment all over again."

You'll keep your OP spitfire for a while.:sceptic:


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OK, hit something I definitely don't like, they took my 37mm cannon from my La-160 in specialist mode.  FOR GOD'S SAKE WHY?  That's what made the plane special.

 

Let me guess, the 57mm cannon on the IL-20,  I'll find them gone if I specialize it, won't I?   If anyone knows, tell me before I put the work in.  (They won't let you see, until you do it.  What thought that up?)
 

You are getting me to hate this game again.  Give me my guns back.


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View Postmnbv_fockewulfe, on 20 August 2018 - 03:29 AM, said:

 

Considering the statements I've heard about changing it so the equipment is less OP, "Oh, that would mean we'd have to balance the equipment all over again."

You'll keep your OP spitfire for a while.:sceptic:

 

Oh yeah, seeing as the last adjustment consisted of reducing one of the possible bonuses on the lightweight airframe by 1%, I don't think it'll be changing all that much, plus it would be kind of a disaster at this point. No, what I actually meant was I don't think I'll be keeping mine like that. It's current state is somewhat balanced by the fact that it's a flying tinderbox that takes a crit almost every time it's hit and has the health pool of a t7. If you can avoid getting hit though it's a lot of fun.



And Animal_of_Pryale, if you can't use your preferred guns that's what SonicPariah's Specialist Configuration Thoughts thread is for, alternative config options you want once you specialize specific planes.
 


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View PostBobby_Tables, on 16 August 2018 - 09:53 PM, said:

 

Ah Chuck, I see after all these years your forum skin is still too thin.  You could probably find a 10 year old kid in the Democratic Republic of Congo who has never seen a computer.  Give him/her a computer and a mouse and he/she could beat me 1 on 1 in this game.  You see, I suck at this game, but I embrace that and thrive in it.   

 

Your legacy video is kinda cool, but I will still hold my opinion that posting videos from the time when General Grant initiated the siege of Vicksburg is a bit irrelevant to the game today.  Unless you are going for a "remember when" post.  

 

Personally, I have no animosity toward you.  I was just yanking your chain but I can see that your ability to take humor is quite limited. Sorry.  

 

If you do want a 1 on 1, I am happy to oblige.  Just beware that I am hard to kill, unless I am not.  I have no ego here, it's all fun and games.  

 

Still trying to get in to the old boys club Bobby?  Maybe if you bake Mars some muffins he will let you in.

And you wonder why theres no population here. Not many of you have made anyone feel welcome or help out as far as new players go and that was demonstrated this morning when WW posted he may come back and you were all over him as well as a couple other kids and I call you kids because your acting like kids bobby. Immature little kids.

I get a kick out of seeing a select few attack members here for posting about wanting to play again and a lot of us have rage quit games before so grow up bobby.


 

 


 

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View PostAnimal_of_Pryale, on 20 August 2018 - 01:09 PM, said:

OK, hit something I definitely don't like, they took my 37mm cannon from my La-160 in specialist mode.  FOR GOD'S SAKE WHY?  That's what made the plane special.

 

Let me guess, the 57mm cannon on the IL-20,  I'll find them gone if I specialize it, won't I?   If anyone knows, tell me before I put the work in.  (They won't let you see, until you do it.  What thought that up?)
 

You are getting me to hate this game again.  Give me my guns back.

 

Look... since your the optimistic type I'm going to share a bit of advice to ya - You DON'T have to run all your planes on Specialist mode. You do have an option to back to stock (Upgrade Tab top left of modules page). Then you'll be able to play your La-160 with your beloved 37m. The only drawback is you will be limited in equipment slots aka the infamous "choices" that they so greatly advertised for this update! Great way to mislead people persha :great:

 

 

As for the IL-20. Going by people's assumption that specialist configuration considers top modules only. I'd guess your safe with the 57s. So you "should" keep it. Although I have seen an exception on my Seafang. On specialist it should have the bombs only. But instead for some oddball russian reasoning it locks the rockets in there... So take my word with a heavy grain of salt.


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View PostAnimal_of_Pryale, on 12 August 2018 - 04:57 AM, said:

Ok, I've got my Fantome upgraded.  Above 10,000 but no winged legends yet.  I imagine because it's tier IV.  But what a joy to fly.  This is definitely my most fun plane.

 

Got to finish 50 assists in my A6M3 (exp.) for a mission, but then on to my La-160.  Doing this to the La-160 should take me to heights I never imagined.  I can't wait.


 

 


 


 

 

 

 

I've seen you post twice about the Fantome. You recommended it in another thread. I'm trying to decide whether to buy it. Gaming Bear likes it, but it seems he gets excited about everything. I haven't seen any other raves about it yet. No one seems to have much to say. Is it because it's rare? The price isn't bad.

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I once did a search of all available planes to find the most maneuverable.  Until I did this search this plane had been unknown to me.  It out-turns every plane it runs into, and isn't flammable like the Jap planes.  It has a 20mm and 2 X .303 browning (7.67 mm).  It is the ultimate dogfighter at tier IV, and can easily hold it's own against Tier V and VI.  Out-turning them all.  It easily dives out of the way of head-ons.

 

My favorite move is to dive out of the way of a head-on, flip over and be on their tail immediately.  Once I'm on someone's tail they can't shake me without assistance from another plane.

 

 

At $7.30 it's at the very bottom of the aircraft list in the Premium shop.

 

I think it is just an unknown inexpensive premium plane, with an unrecognized name.  So nobody even bothers to look at it's stats.

 

It was a mid-1930s prototype designed and built in Belgium by a relatively unknown company. Only 3 were built.  2 went to the Russians that were sent to Spain during the civil war and one went to Britain.

 

Which pretty much tells you why it's unknown.


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View PostAnimal_of_Pryale, on 21 August 2018 - 02:59 PM, said:

 It is the ultimate dogfighter at tier IV, and can easily hold it's own against Tier V and VI.  Out-turning them all.  It easily dives out of the way of head-ons.

 

 

 

Well, considering it's speed, I wouldn't have any problem with a Fantome in any of my T6 planes.  T5, Again, speed.  Altitude is an issue as well.  I could climb up and dive down on it, then be away easily.  At 180HP, it wouldn't take long to send it down in flames - a couple of passes, max.  Especially with a Bf-110E.  Even a -110C-6 would boom on that thing all day.  The little Russian biplane they just gave away at T4 can turn with this thing - it would be a matter of who saw who first.

 

I would LOVE to run up on this with a Bf-109B.  BnZ paradise.

 

It's a good turning plane.  But when you get up to T5 and T6, it's not all about the turns anymore.  I didn't even mention the Me-410.  One pass at speed, and the Fantome would be smoking ruin.  Those 30mm guns make short work of most light fighters, and it's fast enough to be out of the range of almost everything by the time they turn.  Yes, the Fantome is good at-tier, but start playing at V and VI and you're going to get hurt.


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Yeah, yeah, you have to hit me first, which you will find impossible.  You can't boom and zoom me in this plane.  I'm too maneuverable.  And I don't tail planes with tail gunners.  I out-turn the I-153 DM-4 you mentioned and surpass it in nearly every stat.  That's why I haven't bothered with the free one I got.  The Fantome is far superior.   And any Bf 109 would instantly find me on their tail pumping them full of 20mm.

 

 



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View PostAnimal_of_Pryale, on 21 August 2018 - 03:35 PM, said:

Yeah, yeah, you have to hit me first, which you will find impossible.  You can't boom and zoom me in this plane.  I'm too maneuverable.  And I don't tail planes with tail gunners.  I out-turn the I-153 DM-4 you mentioned and surpass it in nearly every stat.  That's why I haven't bothered with the free one I got.  The Fantome is far superior.   And any Bf 109 would instantly find me on their tail pumping them full of 20mm.

 

 

 

No, that's not how it works.  If I am 700m away in my Me-410, turning ability doesn't mean much because of your lack of speed.  I will already have cannon on it before it can do anything - it's all about angles.  By the time it gets turned around, I'm out of range.  Turning ability doesn't render the aircraft immune to angles and airspeed.  That's why even the Bf-109B could shoot it down - as long as the pilot uses the aircraft in the proper way.  Trying to turn on a turny fighter is dumb.  But using altitude and speed (if that's what a plane does best) is how it works.  You're not the only one that flies this aircraft, and I fly at T4 often enough.  I have never found the Fantome to be a particularly challenging aircraft to shoot down, mostly because it really isn't very fast, and it's altitude performance is poor.  If it can suck an energy fighter into a turn fight, yeah, that's a great plane for that.  But if the energy fighter is playing to it's strengths, the Fantome pilot is going to be spending some time sitting waiting for respawn - or avoiding the energy fighter.  
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430 is more than enough speed to deal with your kind.


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View PostAnimal_of_Pryale, on 21 August 2018 - 04:03 PM, said:

 430 is more than enough speed to deal with your kind.  

 

Max. boost speed is not the speed it can run all the time.  Cruise speed for the Fantome is about 280 or so. I think all of my non-GAA/bomber T5/6 planes are over 350 cruise.  IIRC, 570 is boost speed in my Me-410 in level flight.  I get over 800 in a dive.  That GIGANTIC differential in airspeed (let's not even talk about altitude performance boost time length) is why a T4 plane is not going to stand up against much in T6, unless you can somehow get those folks in T6 to get low, slow, out of boost, and turning.  I suppose you could get bots to do that, but real humans aren't going to fall for that, especially not experienced pilots at T6.  A Fantome cannot change the angle enough at 600m to change the outcome of an engagement with a T5/6 LF/MR/HF with a human pilot.

 

It's not a fuselage-measuring contest - it's strictly about in-game physics and the application thereof.


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