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[SonicPariah]

Animal_of_Pryale, on 06 August 2018 - 08:02 PM, said:

Wombatmetal, that part about fixed configurations is disturbing.  Especially since you can't undo it.  I've only specialized a tier I and II.  I wanted to see first and immediately realized it's like shooting off flares saying, "Here I am!"  They need to give you an option to unspecialized.

 

I am not specializing another plane until that is taken care of.

I agree with everything you said.

SpiritFox, my views and intense feelings about staters arose on WOT, where they berate others incessantly in chat.  At least here they are mostly too busy fighting.  Perhaps they aren't the biggest complainers, but I'm biased.  They should be condemned to a world where they only have each other to cuss at.

 

I agree about the legitimate concerns that I initially had, but I know people just hate change, and we have to roll with the punches.  I hated the change, I think I might like it now, but don't know enough, as I quit playing for a while after the update.  I'm not discounting anybody's legitimate grievances.

 

I came back for the 20th anniversary.  Nice move connecting a free plane with the purchase of a month's premium.  That will get people back playing long enough to get to know the new game.

 

 

Did you make sure to complete the Missions to get your two completely free planes?

 

Dru83, on 06 August 2018 - 09:23 PM, said:

"They need to give you an option to unspecialized"

 

 

There is an option to switch back to the normal configuration after you specialize an aircraft. Unfortunately you then no longer have the extra consumable/equipment slots.

 

The loss of max configuration as stated above is a big thing. I hate not being able to choose which slots are used for the equipment and I hate not being able to have three pieces of equipment that all boost the same thing. You used to be able to have three things that boosted speed or enhanced durability, but now you can't. I wouldn't mind the stupid "shoot me now wings" icon if it didn't show the enemy you were a human player from a much longer distance than when you are able to read the player's names. Now, if you have a specialized plane, the other humans can see you coming from a long way away and intercept you before you can do anything.

 

 

Have you made sure to list your thoughts here?

 

Bobby_Tables, on 07 August 2018 - 06:04 AM, said:

 

Dude, did you, like, capture that video when Chevy Chase was still on Saturday Night Live? 

 

I'm all for cool videos, but you could've posted your high score on Asteroids taken from a Panasonic Palmcoder and reached the same relevance to the game as it is today.   

 

Just for reference, Matthew Broderick is 62 years old and the movie Wargames was released closer to the first landing on the moon than today's date.  I think your video might be in that league.    

 

Was this necessary? 

 

Chuck_norris10, on 07 August 2018 - 02:36 AM, said:

heh heh!

 

Just have fun folks!  Dont fly under me or in front of me. A rocket or bomb will be waiting.

 

 

 

Thanks for the video!

[SlappedbyPatton]

Reitousair, on 07 August 2018 - 12:46 AM, said:

Meh, I've just been tolerant of the changes, they need a LOT of work but there might be something worth salvaging after polishing up and modifying the mess 2.0.5 introduced. Oh and don't forget the systems they introduced are rushed, incomplete, and unrefined. They wanted to add rerolling bonus characteristics but put those back and pushed the rest of it out the door with only internal testing to determine how the patch was going to work and no player feedback; there were also failures to fix a multitude of bugs. Then again it shouldn't be surprising, the live servers ARE the test servers when it comes to WoWp.

 

There's a lot of people angry at 2.0.5 for a lot of reasons and I find myself agreeing with a fair amount of the stuff they say, they had no say in any of these changes, they had these changes sprung upon them and were basically told "take it or leave it." Needless to say, a lot of people want to be heard and have their input mean something rather than just constantly have core mechanics in the game changed and be told to either roll with them or leave. Oh and don't forget the premium fiasco and game-breaking equipment setup's, those are nice as well.

 

A lot of these "stat persons" in my experience were players who hardly cared about winning, but then with 2.0.5 they NEEDED to win in order to even gain access to the majority of the update. With how luck-dependent winning can be at times (particularly with such a high reliance on bots) the requirements to win make it extremely frustrating to lose and wins unsatisfying since it wasn't you playing to win, you were playing to gain access to the new changes brought with 2.0.5. It's hard to be a play4phun when you get dominated by people in their fancy specialist planes who beat you in nearly every aspect of performance with no way to really compete with them because you just keep on getting destroyed by them meaning no way to improve your aircraft. No good fights, just you being bent over and taking a hail of shots up your tail.

 

Also while people who flip out about stats and use them as a holy object to shame you or hold you as an idol are usually not healthy for the game, removing general rankings wouldn't exactly be the best idea. Sure, stats are easily inflated and are in a game that's largely PvE now, but it's also some attempt at setting the game up for a competitive scene some time down the road. Competitive players can keep a game alive far longer than it should ever live (look at Starcraft for example) and also fully unleash the potential of characters/guns/tanks/aircraft/etc. as well as pioneer new tactics and strategies. They shouldn't be the only group listened to, that's for sure, but telling them all to get out might actually hurt the game more than help it in the long run, and there's no getting rid of stat-crazed people anyways, they'll always find ways to say "I'm better than you!" There's no cleansing a community of toxicity, but we can at least prevent it from becoming the loudest voices in the community.

 

 

Well said .

 

W_W

[ArrowZ_]

I'll have what this guy's smoking! 

[Saydzhi]

SpiritFoxMY, on 06 August 2018 - 05:16 PM, said:

I think most of the complaints come from a similar direction you had initially: the loss of max status for your planes. It's a fair complaint especially for those who have played for years.

 

The other point is the losing out on favourite airplane configurations because of how inflexible Specialization is. Again a fair complaint - we all have our favourite planes and our favourite configurations for them and having them snatched away and made sub-meta is extremely painful.

 

Lastly is balance and we're still sorting that out but already we're seeing the effects of double Specialist Spitfires, Pancakes and RB-17s making life hell for even other Specialist players. 

 

It's great you've found your feet in 2.0.5! I loved it from the beginning. But let's not dismiss other's legitimate concerns about the direction this went

 

 

1) Nerfing of premium planes telling players to grind or pay more money

2) Real issues in game performance and stability not being fixed, but instead new cash grab methods being introduced. (lag, fps drops, disconnections, etc)

3) A gambling slot machine that is called a calibration station, that you pony up your wager, pull the crank, and what you get is a dice roll on if it will be better/same/worse.

4) The BLATANT cash grab that 2.0.5 is in it's attempt to milk as much money as they can. 

 

Don't be so naive to think that most people are just angry because they lost max status on planes. 

 

 

[SpiritFoxMY]

medoyehd, on 10 August 2018 - 12:52 PM, said:

 

 

1) Nerfing of premium planes telling players to grind or pay more money

2) Real issues in game performance and stability not being fixed, but instead new cash grab methods being introduced. (lag, fps drops, disconnections, etc)

3) A gambling slot machine that is called a calibration station, that you pony up your wager, pull the crank, and what you get is a dice roll on if it will be better/same/worse.

4) The BLATANT cash grab that 2.0.5 is in it's attempt to milk as much money as they can. 

 

Don't be so naive to think that most people are just angry because they lost max status on planes. 

 

 

 

1) As far as I'm concerned, we've gotten what we paid for back - three equipment and consumable slots. I never understood the rage in this case but that's because I bought premiums for a very different reason and as far as I'm concerned, people have gotten EXACTLY what they bought back. It's just the game mechanics thatve changed. No different from premium changes in WoT

 

2) Fair enough, but these have been around all the while. They're an ongoing sore point.

 

3) Annoying and frustrating but again, I don't see it as a dealbreaker. I mean, we could always just buy enhancements with our salvage instead of playing slots.

 

4) Again, annoying. I was furious at that too but in the end, it all boils down to the same thing, innit?

 

In fact, all your arguments boil back to losing max status on planes.

 

1) You paid for max status on premiums. They took it away, so you're pissed

 

3) You now have to play a stupid RNG machine to get your plane to max status wasting time and effort.

 

4) They want you to pay again to get your planes back to max status 

 

The only thing not related to max plane status are the bugs.

[Animal_of_Pryale]

An update on my exploration of the new system.  I just turned my A6M3 (exp.) into the dominant fighter I never could under the old system.  Consistently over 10,000 XP.   (I've already been accused of hacking, LOL, I take that as a compliment.)

And I'll be able to do that with my Fantome, which is the next one to upgrade.

 

 

I've also done some work on my IL-40P which is looking good, but haven't specialized it.  Will have to do so with both the IL-40P and the Fantome in the end.  But there's low, middle, high. (I will eventually include La-160 and Me 329)

 

In this system, you're going to have to decide which planes you are going to develop.  It's going to take a lot of work.  You are going to have to trim it down to a handful, unlike before where I had all of them the way I wanted them.  But then I didn't play all of them anyway.

 

I now embrace the new system.  I was not certain I would.  This change will keep me busy for a while, which is a good thing.   

[Saydzhi]

SpiritFoxMY, on 10 August 2018 - 12:20 PM, said:

 

1) As far as I'm concerned, we've gotten what we paid for back - three equipment and consumable slots. I never understood the rage in this case but that's because I bought premiums for a very different reason and as far as I'm concerned, people have gotten EXACTLY what they bought back. It's just the game mechanics thatve changed. No different from premium changes in WoT

 

2) Fair enough, but these have been around all the while. They're an ongoing sore point.

 

3) Annoying and frustrating but again, I don't see it as a dealbreaker. I mean, we could always just buy enhancements with our salvage instead of playing slots.

 

4) Again, annoying. I was furious at that too but in the end, it all boils down to the same thing, innit?

 

In fact, all your arguments boil back to losing max status on planes.

 

1) You paid for max status on premiums. They took it away, so you're pissed

 

3) You now have to play a stupid RNG machine to get your plane to max status wasting time and effort.

 

4) They want you to pay again to get your planes back to max status 

 

The only thing not related to max plane status are the bugs.

 

 

[ComradeZ]

It's just Stockholm syndrome. 

 

It's not like there is another easily accessible arcadey progression warplanes game that's out there. 

 

Yet here I still am shooting down digital air planes.

 

Edited by ComradeZ, 10 August 2018 - 09:56 AM.

[SlappedbyPatton]

medoyehd, on 09 August 2018 - 11:52 PM, said:

 

 

1) Nerfing of premium planes telling players to grind or pay more money

2) Real issues in game performance and stability not being fixed, but instead new cash grab methods being introduced. (lag, fps drops, disconnections, etc)

3) A gambling slot machine that is called a calibration station, that you pony up your wager, pull the crank, and what you get is a dice roll on if it will be better/same/worse.

4) The BLATANT cash grab that 2.0.5 is in it's attempt to milk as much money as they can. 

 

Don't be so naive to think that most people are just angry because they lost max status on planes. 

 

 

 

^ my thoughts exactly.. .

 

But really , whats missing is the voice of the players that just left..... the few remaining that continue to agree with the WOWP direction , are just that..the few remaining ...willing to hold on to something that just got a whole lot worse with 2.05. 

 

No numbers are ever presented by WG, but I think we all agree 200 max players at any one time might be a stretch?..... how long can the game sustain it self with a player base like that?

 

I wouldn't dare recommend this game to any new player, and 3/4's of the players I brought into this game , left when 2.05 dropped on us.

 

W_W

Edited by The_Wild_Weasel, 10 August 2018 - 04:34 PM.

[comtedumas]

Adding a specialist mode isn't a bad idea, but the implementation was.  I would have made it bigger and more diverse.  To do it right I would have opened all the basic slots on airplanes to one mod.  They specialist mode would have opened a second row of,slots on some of those original basic slots.  And I would have had the guys dreaming up at least 6-10 items each to go in those secondary slots.  It should probably have been held up for 3.0 in this case.  

 

They can do a quickly fix on it now, and it would still be ok.  Just give elites that basic row and keep the secondary slots as is.  And give the damn German bombers back their bombsights on elite.  Just make enhancing and calibrating unavailable until specialist mode is achieved on that aircraft.  

[comtedumas]

Animal_of_Pryale, on 10 August 2018 - 01:48 AM, said:

An update on my exploration of the new system.  I just turned my A6M3 (exp.) into the dominant fighter I never could under the old system.  Consistently over 10,000 XP.   (I've already been accused of hacking, LOL, I take that as a compliment.)

And I'll be able to do that with my Fantome, which is the next one to upgrade.

 

 

I've also done some work on my IL-40P which is looking good, but haven't specialized it.  Will have to do so with both the IL-40P and the Fantome in the end.  But there's low, middle, high. (I will eventually include La-160 and Me 329)

 

In this system, you're going to have to decide which planes you are going to develop.  It's going to take a lot of work.  You are going to have to trim it down to a handful, unlike before where I had all of them the way I wanted them.  But then I didn't play all of them anyway.

 

I now embrace the new system.  I was not certain I would.  This change will keep me busy for a while, which is a good thing.   

 

what changes did you make to the A6M3?

[CorvusCorvax]

comtedumas, on 10 August 2018 - 05:31 PM, said:

 

what changes did you make to the A6M3?

 

I'm curious as well.

[Animal_of_Pryale]

Starting to rack up those Winged Legend and Hero of the Sky badges.  Saw a Winged Legend once before, but I'm racking them up now.

 

I would really like to show you how clever I am, but I'm holding this secret to my vest, or I'll be meeting you (and everyone that reads this forum) in the sky.

 

You will figure it out eventually, but I'm not helping.  I should never even have told you the plane, because it's only a matter of time.

 

(Besides, you don't know that this isn't just some trick to get people to buy the A6M3 (exp.).)  ;)

 

Watch, they'll put it on sale next week.

 

 

 

 

Edited by Animal_of_Pryale, 11 August 2018 - 12:26 AM.

[Bobby_Tables]

SonicPariah, on 08 August 2018 - 02:47 PM, said:

Was this necessary? 

 

Yes, yes it was.  George is a good guy but suffers from a lack of recognition of humor and sarcasm as evidenced by his retort.  For us old time "foul dudes", the ability to give and absorb sarcastic replies is mandatory.  With 30,000 battles, he should know better without a /sarc in the reply.  Posting a WOWP video from when Bill Clinton was President is about as relevant as posting a video of the first moon landing when discussing SpaceX

 

Oh yeah /sarc in case you could not figure that out.

 

 

 

Edited by Bobby_Tables, 11 August 2018 - 06:42 PM.

[Animal_of_Pryale]

I got 24,340 pp in a battle.  Got me to thinking.  Is there an upper limit?  Highest medal for pp is Winged Legend at 14,000.  Perhaps you could add a Winged God medal for 25,000?

Edited by Animal_of_Pryale, 11 August 2018 - 11:32 PM.

[Animal_of_Pryale]

Ok, I've got my Fantome upgraded.  Above 10,000 but no winged legends yet.  I imagine because it's tier IV.  But what a joy to fly.  This is definitely my most fun plane.

 

Got to finish 50 assists in my A6M3 (exp.) for a mission, but then on to my La-160.  Doing this to the La-160 should take me to heights I never imagined.  I can't wait.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited by Animal_of_Pryale, 12 August 2018 - 05:08 AM.

[Animal_of_Pryale]

Just ran into an upgraded XFL that just handed me my [edited].  First real competition since I upgraded.  This new version is taking this to a whole new level.  He got me twice before I got wise to him.  Then I took him out.  ARRRRRGH.

 

Just looked at my XFL for upgrade potential.  What do you call it when they dive in and hit you hard and fly off?  I know there is a term for that but my memory fails me.  But that's what he upgraded for.  Not my style, but was effective with that 37mm.  I watch my radar but somehow missed it.

Edited by Animal_of_Pryale, 12 August 2018 - 07:06 AM.

[trikke]

boom and zoom

 

not a natural-feeling style of air combat for me, but i still enjoy it

[Animal_of_Pryale]

 

My La-160 is not even specialized yet.  I love the new update.

[Chuck_norris10]

SonicPariah, on 08 August 2018 - 01:47 PM, said:

 

Did you make sure to complete the Missions to get your two completely free planes?

 

 

Have you made sure to list your thoughts here?

 

 

Was this necessary? 

 

 

Thanks for the video!

 

Kids these days dont appreciate the work us old timers put in to make a video and this was from the old days when bombing a perp was the thing to do if you didnt have rockets. I'll do a one on one with Bobby "boy" anytime tier 1 to 8.

We'll see who is still flying at the end.

 

Edited by Chuck_norris10, 16 August 2018 - 09:46 PM.