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Animal_of_Pryale #1 Posted 06 August 2018 - 07:43 AM

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I'm Retired.  This is my fun.  I've played a lot.  Worked several lines up to tier X.  Found a handful of favorites.

 

When the change happened, I felt like I was nerfed.  My planes had all been equipped to support my style of play, and it was all taken away.

This enhanced equipment, having both negative and positive features, really pissed me off.


 

Now that I've played with it for a while, I realized, in some instances, on some planes, this can actually allow greater modification than before.  This could be a good thing, on some planes.  On others, you might be best off leaving the plane as it is.


 

If you are really wanting to take your plane in a different direction, and not play it like everyone else, this can do it.


 

For instance, the IL-40P, Reinforced air frame takes away a small percentage of roll.  How often do your roll your IL-40P?  what's 3 or 4 percent of the very little roll you have to begin with.  Virtually unnoticeable.


 

I think I like the challenge of the complexity now involved in modification.


 

I'm not a stat person, I could care less.  Most of the complaints appear to be coming from that crowd.  Their precious stats and rankings are threatened by having to learn a new system.  Blah, blah, blah.


 

I think those people need a kick in the butt every once in a while.  They need to get a life.


 

If their stats on an online game can reach that level of importance in their real life, they need to shut their computer off and walk away.


 

I play for the fun of the current battle.  If they can't do that, they need to go.  They are the ones spitting on their monitor and cussing everyone in chat.  You might be best off just getting rid of comparative stats and rankings all together.  If they leave, you are better off for it.


 

            


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SpiritFoxMY #2 Posted 06 August 2018 - 10:16 AM

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I think most of the complaints come from a similar direction you had initially: the loss of max status for your planes. It's a fair complaint especially for those who have played for years.

 

The other point is the losing out on favourite airplane configurations because of how inflexible Specialization is. Again a fair complaint - we all have our favourite planes and our favourite configurations for them and having them snatched away and made sub-meta is extremely painful.

 

Lastly is balance and we're still sorting that out but already we're seeing the effects of double Specialist Spitfires, Pancakes and RB-17s making life hell for even other Specialist players. 

 

It's great you've found your feet in 2.0.5! I loved it from the beginning. But let's not dismiss other's legitimate concerns about the direction this went


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Captain_Underpants53 #3 Posted 06 August 2018 - 01:18 PM

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Wombatmetal #4 Posted 06 August 2018 - 03:01 PM

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I think 2.05 has promise, but is not there yet. First thing I would do is take of the "win" requirements. You lose you get lesser XP and lesser Credits. You should get lesser Parts as well. And for reaching specialization itself; shooting down several hundred planes is grindy enough, but to do it in a win? Ugh.

 

The problem with wins is it is so RNG related. You get on a team with bad bots, and they just melt, or they go fly in a corner chasing rabbits. You just resign yourself and do as much damage as you can. But you don't get any parts, and you don't make any progress. That turns it into a frustrating match.

 

Second thing is the fixed configurations. Take my P38. I don't want the 37mm cannons. I want the 20mm with the higher ROF. But if I specialize, I can only have the one setup. Why? Give is options.

 

I also don't like the specialist wings in battle. Flights see those and focus you down as they know you're a player. That needs to go. 

 

It's not all negative. I specialized my Bf 109 E3 for speed and it's a sweet experience now. The change could be good.



Ace_BOTlistic_Cosmo #5 Posted 06 August 2018 - 04:26 PM

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op sound like all that..

maybe I be like...

you not my boss


if the pilot's good, see, I mean, if he's really..sharp, he can barrel that baby in so low [he spreads his arms like wings and laughs],

you oughtta see it sometime, it's a sight. A big plane like a '52. VRROOM! There's jet exhaust, fryin' chickens in the barnyard.


Prenzlau #6 Posted 06 August 2018 - 05:01 PM

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It's the mindset of the person, "the player" has always been the central issue, not the game. The game is what it is, at any given moment. How a person reacts, conducts themselves, and admits responsibility dictates their attitude. 

 

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Animal_of_Pryale #8 Posted 06 August 2018 - 08:02 PM

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Wombatmetal, that part about fixed configurations is disturbing.  Especially since you can't undo it.  I've only specialized a tier I and II.  I wanted to see first and immediately realized it's like shooting off flares saying, "Here I am!"  They need to give you an option to unspecialized.

 

I am not specializing another plane until that is taken care of.

I agree with everything you said.

SpiritFox, my views and intense feelings about staters arose on WOT, where they berate others incessantly in chat.  At least here they are mostly too busy fighting.  Perhaps they aren't the biggest complainers, but I'm biased.  They should be condemned to a world where they only have each other to cuss at.


 

I agree about the legitimate concerns that I initially had, but I know people just hate change, and we have to roll with the punches.  I hated the change, I think I might like it now, but don't know enough, as I quit playing for a while after the update.  I'm not discounting anybody's legitimate grievances.


 

I came back for the 20th anniversary.  Nice move connecting a free plane with the purchase of a month's premium.  That will get people back playing long enough to get to know the new game.


 

   


 

 


Edited by Animal_of_Pryale, 06 August 2018 - 08:29 PM.


Dru83 #9 Posted 06 August 2018 - 09:23 PM

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"They need to give you an option to unspecialized"

 

 

There is an option to switch back to the normal configuration after you specialize an aircraft. Unfortunately you then no longer have the extra consumable/equipment slots.


 

The loss of max configuration as stated above is a big thing. I hate not being able to choose which slots are used for the equipment and I hate not being able to have three pieces of equipment that all boost the same thing. You used to be able to have three things that boosted speed or enhanced durability, but now you can't. I wouldn't mind the stupid "shoot me now wings" icon if it didn't show the enemy you were a human player from a much longer distance than when you are able to read the player's names. Now, if you have a specialized plane, the other humans can see you coming from a long way away and intercept you before you can do anything.


 



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View PostPrenzlau, on 06 August 2018 - 11:01 AM, said:

"Like most things, I am nothing.
It's the same for this sword.  All
of it is simply a state of mind."

 

Li Mu Bai - Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon

 

It's the mindset of the person, "the player" has always been the central issue, not the game. The game is what it is, at any given moment. How a person reacts, conducts themselves, and admits responsibility dictates their attitude. 

 

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Chuck_norris10 #11 Posted 07 August 2018 - 02:03 AM

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Me also.played a lot last night and this morning and it was fun. I know when I can have 5 guys on my 6 that I remember that a lot of the older pilots are still here. Got some nice bomb kills and 2 rocket kills and they still swarm me but that what makes it fun and keeps my old WR at a steady 50.

With over 30,000 matches it's nice to see some of the old tricks work like cutting throttle in a pagasus and letting your oppent overfly you before planting a rocket in his a**.

 

The game played non stop with non of the issues that usually plague it and it was good.

 


 

 


 

Chuck_norris10 #12 Posted 07 August 2018 - 02:22 AM

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I have spent many drunken nights at home playing this game and I still love it and hoping they can get more people flying.

 

 


 

Chuck_norris10 #13 Posted 07 August 2018 - 02:36 AM

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heh heh!

 

Just have fun folks!  Dont fly under me or in front of me. A rocket or bomb will be waiting.

 

 


 

 


 

Chuck_norris10 #14 Posted 07 August 2018 - 02:42 AM

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Gotta love baiting someone in for a bomb kill! lol!

 


 

 


 

Reitousair #15 Posted 07 August 2018 - 05:46 AM

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Meh, I've just been tolerant of the changes, they need a LOT of work but there might be something worth salvaging after polishing up and modifying the mess 2.0.5 introduced. Oh and don't forget the systems they introduced are rushed, incomplete, and unrefined. They wanted to add rerolling bonus characteristics but put those back and pushed the rest of it out the door with only internal testing to determine how the patch was going to work and no player feedback; there were also failures to fix a multitude of bugs. Then again it shouldn't be surprising, the live servers ARE the test servers when it comes to WoWp.

 

There's a lot of people angry at 2.0.5 for a lot of reasons and I find myself agreeing with a fair amount of the stuff they say, they had no say in any of these changes, they had these changes sprung upon them and were basically told "take it or leave it." Needless to say, a lot of people want to be heard and have their input mean something rather than just constantly have core mechanics in the game changed and be told to either roll with them or leave. Oh and don't forget the premium fiasco and game-breaking equipment setup's, those are nice as well.

 

A lot of these "stat persons" in my experience were players who hardly cared about winning, but then with 2.0.5 they NEEDED to win in order to even gain access to the majority of the update. With how luck-dependent winning can be at times (particularly with such a high reliance on bots) the requirements to win make it extremely frustrating to lose and wins unsatisfying since it wasn't you playing to win, you were playing to gain access to the new changes brought with 2.0.5. It's hard to be a play4phun when you get dominated by people in their fancy specialist planes who beat you in nearly every aspect of performance with no way to really compete with them because you just keep on getting destroyed by them meaning no way to improve your aircraft. No good fights, just you being bent over and taking a hail of shots up your tail.

 

Also while people who flip out about stats and use them as a holy object to shame you or hold you as an idol are usually not healthy for the game, removing general rankings wouldn't exactly be the best idea. Sure, stats are easily inflated and are in a game that's largely PvE now, but it's also some attempt at setting the game up for a competitive scene some time down the road. Competitive players can keep a game alive far longer than it should ever live (look at Starcraft for example) and also fully unleash the potential of characters/guns/tanks/aircraft/etc. as well as pioneer new tactics and strategies. They shouldn't be the only group listened to, that's for sure, but telling them all to get out might actually hurt the game more than help it in the long run, and there's no getting rid of stat-crazed people anyways, they'll always find ways to say "I'm better than you!" There's no cleansing a community of toxicity, but we can at least prevent it from becoming the loudest voices in the community.

 


I do fly Chinese aircraft a fair amount so... *ahem*

CHINA NUMBAH WAN

 

I even made a custom skin for my IL-10M!

 


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View PostChuck_norris10, on 06 August 2018 - 08:36 PM, said:

heh heh!

 

Just have fun folks!  Dont fly under me or in front of me. A rocket or bomb will be waiting.

 

 

 

Dude, did you, like, capture that video when Chevy Chase was still on Saturday Night Live? 

 

I'm all for cool videos, but you could've posted your high score on Asteroids taken from a Panasonic Palmcoder and reached the same relevance to the game as it is today.   

 

Just for reference, Matthew Broderick is 62 years old and the movie Wargames was released closer to the first landing on the moon than today's date.  I think your video might be in that league.    


Edited by Bobby_Tables, 07 August 2018 - 06:12 AM.


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View PostSpiritFoxMY, on 06 August 2018 - 10:16 AM, said:

I think most of the complaints come from a similar direction you had initially: the loss of max status for your planes. It's a fair complaint especially for those who have played for years.

 

The other point is the losing out on favourite airplane configurations because of how inflexible Specialization is. Again a fair complaint - we all have our favourite planes and our favourite configurations for them and having them snatched away and made sub-meta is extremely painful.

 

Lastly is balance and we're still sorting that out but already we're seeing the effects of double Specialist Spitfires, Pancakes and RB-17s making life hell for even other Specialist players. 

 

It's great you've found your feet in 2.0.5! I loved it from the beginning. But let's not dismiss other's legitimate concerns about the direction this went

 

Agreed don't put on rose colored glasses just yet.

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View PostBobby_Tables, on 06 August 2018 - 11:04 PM, said:

 

Dude, did you, like, capture that video when Chevy Chase was still on Saturday Night Live? 

 

I'm all for cool videos, but you could've posted your high score on Asteroids taken from a Panasonic Palmcoder and reached the same relevance to the game as it is today.   

 

Just for reference, Matthew Broderick is 62 years old and the movie Wargames was released closer to the first landing on the moon than today's date.  I think your video might be in that league.    

 

When you get over 30,000 battles in you can tell me whats relevant or not.

 


 

 


 

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i enjoy the game, much more than 1.x         i'm right now at the same 1.x battle count that i was at before i tried and loved WT, mostly because of respawn

 

i know that whatever the game-imposed handicaps are, they're the same for both teams here

 

except for asymmetrical maps...  that's just pure frustration

 

even though i still enjoy the strategy, brand new folks certainly do not...   could this be a 'player retaining' issue?


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The one thing they failed spectacularly with when they implemented 2.05 was presentation.

If you want to sell someone a car, you let them take it for a test drive, you don't run them over with it.






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