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Kiwiav8r #21 Posted 11 July 2018 - 12:22 AM

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I can express it in this simple mathematical formula:

 

Desire to Play = 1 / (Underdeveloped Endgame + Poor Balancing + Extremely Long Grind for Meagre Rewards + Bugs and Instability)

 

This is supposed to be an E-Sport game but other than what the community cobbled together over the years there's been precisely nothing competitive about it.  Heck, even a Rated PvP mode ala WOWS would have been enough for me to stick around.  I think this game doesn't deserve the quite awesome community that it had/has.

 

 


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Izgoy0899 #22 Posted 11 July 2018 - 05:53 AM

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Cashed in my chips, cut my loses, and uninstalled the game when they told me I had to regrind, or pay them more money, for planes I already paid them real money for once.  While at the same time I have to work through some labyrinth Rubik's Cube of equipment in some system Rube Goldberg would be proud of, that also involves A LOT more grinding, or pay us more money.  

 

Here out of boredom and some false hope it might improve, but doubtful. 

 

 



The_Wild_Weasel #23 Posted 11 July 2018 - 10:54 AM

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View Postmedoyehd, on 11 July 2018 - 12:53 AM, said:

Cashed in my chips, cut my loses, and uninstalled the game when they told me I had to regrind, or pay them more money, for planes I already paid them real money for once.  While at the same time I have to work through some labyrinth Rubik's Cube of equipment in some system Rube Goldberg would be proud of, that also involves A LOT more grinding, or pay us more money.  

 

Here out of boredom and some false hope it might improve, but doubtful. 

 

 

^ Yup, exactly what they want ...... 

 

W_W



Unit620 #24 Posted 11 July 2018 - 11:24 AM

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I tried to like the new system.  Played a couple of nights after the update, but with a win rate of 56%, I became frustrated.  I would have a really good game but sill lose and make no progress towards specialist.  Now, I can't convince myself to hit the play button.  I have not played for two weeks, just come to the forum to see what new information is available. 

CorvusCorvax #25 Posted 11 July 2018 - 12:35 PM

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View PostThe_Wild_Weasel, on 11 July 2018 - 10:54 AM, said:

^ Yup, exactly what they want ...... 

 

W_W

 

Exactly. The only way to register your displeasure in a way that will get their attention is to not play, and definitely not spend money. Server traffic down, revenue way down means no bueno.

 

 



MelBrooks #26 Posted 11 July 2018 - 02:30 PM

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View PostCorvusCorvax, on 11 July 2018 - 07:35 AM, said:

 

Exactly. The only way to register your displeasure in a way that will get their attention is to not play, and definitely not spend money. Server traffic down, revenue way down means no bueno.

 

 

This is their reasoning ( or lack of ), they have been doing the exact opposite of the majority of player base for at least three years now. WE have always been the reason this title has not been successful. Persha has always gone the way of money or the vocal minority whiners, and now have a disastrous title to show for it.


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Noreaga #27 Posted 11 July 2018 - 05:03 PM

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View PostMelBrooks, on 11 July 2018 - 09:30 AM, said:

This is their reasoning ( or lack of ), they have been doing the exact opposite of the majority of player base for at least three years now. WE have always been the reason this title has not been successful. Persha has always gone the way of money or the vocal minority whiners, and now have a disastrous title to show for it.

 

When the players change but the complaints remain constant, one would think that the common denominator is not the players. What do i know though i only have 8 games right.


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Lou #28 Posted 11 July 2018 - 06:58 PM

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View PostNoreaga, on 11 July 2018 - 11:03 AM, said:

 

When the players change but the complaints remain constant, one would think that the common denominator is not the players. What do i know though i only have 8 games right.

 

That sums it up. But I only have 6 games in, so what do I know.

bradk62 #29 Posted 11 July 2018 - 07:40 PM

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View PostCorvusCorvax, on 11 July 2018 - 12:35 PM, said:

 

Exactly. The only way to register your displeasure in a way that will get their attention is to not play, and definitely not spend money. Server traffic down, revenue way down means no bueno.

 

 

 

They will notice the server traffic sooner than the drop in spending but the spending drop (or lack of the planned bump up) is MUCH more important to them.  I'm in for the long haul until something better comes along so I'm going to play, but not pay, until the game improves.

 

In the mean time the game is still fun, most of the time, and I'll grind out the new requirements for specialist drawing on server resources and costing them money until they fix this game.

 

All will be forgiven and my money will return only when the game improves.

 

Vote with your wallet, not your feet.  It will get their attention and force a change in their behavior much quicker than just quitting.



Perco_lator #30 Posted 11 July 2018 - 08:48 PM

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View Postbradk62, on 11 July 2018 - 03:40 PM, said:

 

They will notice the server traffic sooner than the drop in spending but the spending drop (or lack of the planned bump up) is MUCH more important to them.  I'm in for the long haul until something better comes along so I'm going to play, but not pay, until the game improves.

 

In the mean time the game is still fun, most of the time, and I'll grind out the new requirements for specialist drawing on server resources and costing them money until they fix this game.

 

All will be forgiven and my money will return only when the game improves.

 

Vote with your wallet, not your feet.  It will get their attention and force a change in their behavior much quicker than just quitting.

 

So you want people to continue playing a non-enjoyable broken game but just don't pay for it? That's some sound logic right there.

 

That's fine if you still are having fun but don't think you are in a majority. As long as there are enough non-paying players there will always be plenty of fresh suckers that pay to keep the lights on.

Pay or don't pay either way as long as you are playing you are supporting the game.


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Ace_BOTlistic_Cosmo #31 Posted 12 July 2018 - 12:36 AM

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just charge us 5 bucks a month and give us our old game back...

your maintenance will be on the cheap

you could restart clan wars... hell we were doing for you it anyway

you could just get the hell out of the way...

like China...

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Cenotaph #32 Posted 12 July 2018 - 10:33 PM

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View PostCaptain_Underpants53, on 10 July 2018 - 03:03 PM, said:

I am totally grateful for your forgiveness and humbly accept it in the same spirit it was given.

 

The point is, this is the WoWP forum, not Psychology Today.  I doubt if anyone comes to this forum to be psychoanalyzed.  They come to find out what other players know about the game, if they are having the same issues and if there are workarounds.  You know, it's about the airplanes.

 

But maybe I'm wrong.  Maybe others enjoy the psychobabble.  As for me, I would appreciate if you would stop the hijacking of the questions.  This topic is "where does it all lead to?" 

 

Don't mind him, his fedora is far too tight, and it strangles his little brain...

 

Didn't you know, Prenzlau is a -great- guy, who does good for lots of people... you just don't understand him!

 

It's -our- fault that he comes across as a complete tool, that thinks his intellect dwarfs all those around him...   :rolleyes:


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bradk62 #33 Posted 12 July 2018 - 11:58 PM

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View PostPerco_lator, on 11 July 2018 - 08:48 PM, said:

 

So you want people to continue playing a non-enjoyable broken game but just don't pay for it? That's some sound logic right there.

 

That's fine if you still are having fun but don't think you are in a majority. As long as there are enough non-paying players there will always be plenty of fresh suckers that pay to keep the lights on.

Pay or don't pay either way as long as you are playing you are supporting the game.

 

I want them to fix the game.  Sorry you don't enjoy it.  I like 2.0 MUCH less than 1.x but I play because it is the best option out there right now.   

 

But check your logic.   Businesses need to make money.  Programmers, data centers and servers cost real money.  How does my playing for free in any way, shape or form support this game financially or add  value to the game and keep it alive?  

 

Is WG generating ad revenue on my screen?  Do my chat comments provide some sort of in-game entertainment?  Am I cheaper, easier or more enjoyable to kill than the bot that would otherwise replace me if I quit?  No, no and no.  (Well, maybe I am more enjoyable to kill -  a lot of folks seem to enjoy it :)  )

 

If people are playing but not paying, WG has a viable market and a financial incentive to improve the game.  If people just quit playing, the market is not viable and the whole thing tanks quickly.

 

I've been playing this game (off and on) since the beginning (closed Beta tester).  I'll quit when I have a better option.  I'll pay when they fix the game.  I am the ultimate consumer  with ample discretionary money and WG should be targeting users like me, not the newbies that might pay once then quit.  Hopefully someday WG will listen to the us and fix this mess.  But I, and users like me that vote with their $'s, are the solution, not the problem. 

 

Vote with your feet if you want, they will notice you leaving but don't care.  Another newbie will replace you.

 



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View Postbradk62, on 13 July 2018 - 09:28 AM, said:

 Businesses need to make money.  Programmers, data centers and servers cost real money.

 

That would apply to WOWP if it were widely successful and a hugely popular title. But what we have come to know for years & what is rather obvious with WG, seeing as how they generate more revenue and do better business overall with WOT and WOWS. They run WOWP in a back burner with the lowest amount of resources given compared to the other 2. They've probably admitted it before that keeping WOWP up and running isn't a matter of cost to keep the servers going. It's the publicity backlash and PR nightmare they would get if their Trio-Wargame title would come to and end because of a weak link like WOWP. So to save face they do what is necessary to keep the image of the company in good standing. If for whatever else then is WOWP delivering consistent disappointing results if the fault doesn't lie to the developers... which it kinda does. 


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Perco_lator #35 Posted 13 July 2018 - 03:08 AM

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View Postbradk62, on 12 July 2018 - 07:58 PM, said:

 

If people are playing but not paying, WG has a viable market and a financial incentive to improve the game.  If people just quit playing, the market is not viable and the whole thing tanks quickly.

 

You missed the whole point of what I said earlier. If the game is enjoyable then you will have more people playing period. Free to play games with a healthy population attract more paying players, so yes non-paying players do in fact support the game. Normal people don't continue playing a game that they are not enjoying on some level & the less people that are playing you guessed it less revenue for WG .

 


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Moved house a few weeks back, and got MUCH better internet. Couldn't wait to log in and try this game with a decent connection. However, I value the community here on the forum enough to come here first and see what you gentlemen's thoughts were on the patch. Read far enough in to see what the consensus was. Logged into my hangar to confirm that,yep, they had indeed gone and done what the boys said they'd done (didn't really doubt you, was just desperate) and logged back out. I just can't go through that again. What a blatant piece of arrogant greed, WG.

TheMadPizzler #37 Posted 13 July 2018 - 04:36 PM

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Dude, Cenotaph didn't bring you back.  You did.

Prenzlau #38 Posted 13 July 2018 - 04:47 PM

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View PostTheMadPizzler, on 13 July 2018 - 10:36 AM, said:

Dude, Cenotaph didn't bring you back.  You did.

 

Yes if you want to get specific about it, yes, my decision. BUT if he doesn't attack me, I'm not writing this right now. 

Take care though, if we were all to follow the same logic, a great many opinions and assertions made in these forums would be shot to s*hit over personal responsibility. The big one. "War Gaming does not force you to play their game". But, but.... There is always a previous domino that fell. 

So while it is my ultimate decision, what I say and do. I've been compelled, not to leave. Cut the cake anyways you want to. 

 

Also... I would like to point out and rightfully so, that anyone who has an opinion that is contrary to the populist belief (in theory) that War Gaming is (insert your negative opinion), is treated badly and often personally attacked. I'm simply not allowed to have an opinion here (or in another clan's discord), or make statements of stark reality, without being attacked and degraded. It is ironic how the oppressed (psychologically) often turn into the oppressors (psychologically). But it's damnation for me for pointing it out. 

 

Cheers!

 

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View PostPrenzlau, on 13 July 2018 - 04:47 PM, said:

"War Gaming does not force you to play their game"

That's why I left.

 

View PostPrenzlau, on 13 July 2018 - 04:47 PM, said:

 

Yes if you want to get specific about it, yes, my decision. BUT if he doesn't attack me, I'm not writing this right now. 

Take care though, if we were all to follow the same logic, a great many opinions and assertions made in these forums would be shot to s*hit over personal responsibility. The big one. "War Gaming does not force you to play their game". But, but.... There is always a previous domino that fell. 

So while it is my ultimate decision, what I say and do. I've been compelled, not to leave. Cut the cake anyways you want to. 

 

Cheers!

 

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:popcorn:

 

Nice to know I live inside your head, rent free~

 

And I've already told you, a couple of times... while the clan has some young members, I'm certainly not one of them.

 

Calling someone a high schooler as an attempt to place yourself in a perceived place of intellectual superiority, is pretty "high school" behaviour... just sayin'

 

 

 

View Postf16falcona46, on 13 July 2018 - 09:04 AM, said:

(edit: by the way, by default, the forum doesn't notify you if you've been replied to. If you saw Cenotaph's reply it's because you came and saw it intentionally.)

 

Funny part is, I wasn't even talking to him... I was talking to Underpants, whom Prenzlau was trying to belittle with his incessant psychobabble.


Edited by Cenotaph, 13 July 2018 - 08:04 PM.

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