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ArrowZ_ #1 Posted 04 July 2018 - 12:32 AM

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I was thinking of this the other day. As we all know too well how these developers go about "interesting" & "innovative" "original" ideas when it comes to developing content. Last I remember they have admitted the AI are outfitted with equipments and consumables (maybe pilot skills also?) to differentiate their levels of difficulty. Back in 1.x I recall some of the easy bots were stock while the "vet" bots were fully upgraded. I guess that still applies to 2.0. How far do you think these guys in kyiv would go into implementing some of these new equipments with bots. And do you think they would outfit a bot with 5x equips/consumables just as a means to justify AI difficulty.

 

Me personally it's a scary thought but one that I think may possibly happen in the future. Bringing in these new equipments/consumables, reshaping the current meta into something more grindy, heavy roullette RNGs with the new upgrade systems... It would only be a matter of time before some guy/girl in this studio goes -> "...I have an idea! (Lightbulb!) Let's make AIs more interesting and complex by also adding some of these new equipments/consumables - we'll give the easy bots improved tiers & we'll give the supabots Ultimate! The best of the best for the Vet bots! Haha! Oh while we're at it we'll make the Veteran Bots Specialist because that totally makes sense too! Genius!" - And incomes a patch update just for bots... probably 2.0.7 dubbed "AI Difficulty reached to new levels!"... :facepalm:

 

I hate how much focus AI has been centered around this game. IMO this decision is what killed this MMO. But that's a discussion for another time.


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Ace_BOTlistic_Cosmo #4 Posted 04 July 2018 - 03:04 AM

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what about if these ultraBots were programed to headhunt certain pilots

maybe pilots who were less than desirable in the forums

maybe pilots who had high kill/death ratios

maybe pilots who enjoyed conspiracy theories...

hmmm, maybe

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if the pilot's good, see, I mean, if he's really..sharp, he can barrel that baby in so low [he spreads his arms like wings and laughs],

you oughtta see it sometime, it's a sight. A big plane like a '52. VRROOM! There's jet exhaust, fryin' chickens in the barnyard.


Bobby_Tables #5 Posted 04 July 2018 - 04:08 AM

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View PostAce_BOTlistic_Cosmo, on 03 July 2018 - 09:04 PM, said:

what about if these ultraBots were programed to headhunt certain pilots

maybe pilots who were less than desirable in the forums

maybe pilots who had high kill/death ratios

maybe pilots who enjoyed conspiracy theories...

hmmm, maybe

:sceptic:

 

But.. but.. but.. that's already in the game man!  Don't you know? Wake up Sheeple!  The Mark of the Beast, the Illuminati, the Knights of Templar... they all have conspired to wipe out the race of dolts who play this game day in and day out.  They know you, they will find you and they WILL NOT STOP until they kill you again and again and again.  Beppo was just the prototype.  A beta kill-bot if you will. 

 

I know the developers in Kiev, they have TOLD me that they have programmed bots to go after certain players who I cannot name for fear of my life.  Only a select few have been chosen to select human players for total humiliation.  But the list expands EACH AND EVERY DAY.  

 

Wake up Sheeple.  You have been warned.  They can't be reasoned with, you can't bargain with them and they will NOT STOP until you are dead again and again and again.  

 

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Ace_BOTlistic_Cosmo #6 Posted 04 July 2018 - 04:53 AM

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View PostBobby_Tables, on 03 July 2018 - 11:08 PM, said:

 

But.. but.. but.. that's already in the game man!  Don't you know? Wake up Sheeple!  The Mark of the Beast, the Illuminati, the Knights of Templar... they all have conspired to wipe out the race of dolts who play this game day in and day out.  They know you, they will find you and they WILL NOT STOP until they kill you again and again and again.  Beppo was just the prototype.  A beta kill-bot if you will. 

 

I know the developers in Kiev, they have TOLD me that they have programmed bots to go after certain players who I cannot name for fear of my life.  Only a select few have been chosen to select human players for total humiliation.  But the list expands EACH AND EVERY DAY.  

 

Wake up Sheeple.  You have been warned.  They can't be reasoned with, you can't bargain with them and they will NOT STOP until you are dead again and again and again.  

 

The future is now.  Now is the future.  Paradox?  I think not.  We are all just players in the matrix and the matrix decides our fate.   

oh hogwash... it's not bein' paranoid if'n they really is


if the pilot's good, see, I mean, if he's really..sharp, he can barrel that baby in so low [he spreads his arms like wings and laughs],

you oughtta see it sometime, it's a sight. A big plane like a '52. VRROOM! There's jet exhaust, fryin' chickens in the barnyard.


Bobby_Tables #7 Posted 04 July 2018 - 06:04 AM

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Let me have my fun, ok?  I don't get to communicate with the outside world much. 

 

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ArrowZ_ #8 Posted 04 July 2018 - 07:48 AM

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Reitousair #9 Posted 04 July 2018 - 08:50 AM

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Honestly the idea of extremely powerful bots could prove an interesting idea if done correctly and on a separate mode, having true "ace" bots with everybody well and truly knowing they should be feared, no "is it a good bot or a bad one?" Just crank them up to be good player + computer and you have yourself ready for a real challenge, maybe you'd lock them to training rooms or something so if you really wanted to test yourself you can go 1v1 against an extremely powerful bot.

 

However bots utilizing the new equipment system in random battles? Thought's a little sickening to say the least, they're already bad enough.


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What's the problem? Are you saying that you would be unable to defeat a bot if its plane is a few percentage points better in some areas?

ArrowZ_ #12 Posted 05 July 2018 - 01:38 AM

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View PostARCNA442, on 05 July 2018 - 01:37 AM, said:

What's the problem? Are you saying that you would be unable to defeat a bot if its plane is a few percentage points better in some areas?

 

Nah. Bots are easy to manipulate/exploit. I shoot them all the time in enclosed dogfights including these "vet" bots. The whole point of this thread is these developers have a habit of doing silly things. After 2 years of implementation you'd think they would make an effort to move out from bots with just one mode and start promoting more players to join in matches instead of what we have now where it's always a constant que of 70-80% bots due to low population on this server. Couple that with a hypothetical addition to our new equipment/consumable systems to bots... It would not help. But like I said these are habits I have seen in the past with this same group. They have tweaked bots before...who knows what they can do now with 2.0.5. But I do hope I'm wrong.


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mnbv_fockewulfe #13 Posted 05 July 2018 - 02:07 AM

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Considering how human team mate oriented conquest gamemode is, even if he had enough players for full games in a pub match there would still be at least 1 bot per side for a total of 11 human players out of 12 slots and bots are integral to the capturing of sectors in the form of ADA bots.

 

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View Postmnbv_fockewulfe, on 05 July 2018 - 11:37 AM, said:

Am I the only one that remembers the vision of the game being ESports?

 

No... They intended this game to head in that direction alongside clan pvp functionalities (clan wars, strongholds etc). Got canned a long time ago. Still don't know the reason for it tbh. 

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SgtZak #15 Posted 05 July 2018 - 02:14 PM

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Without challenging AI this game dies.  Harder BOTS equals a better game.

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View PostSgtZak, on 05 July 2018 - 02:14 PM, said:

Without challenging humans this game dies.  More player equals a better game.

 

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View Postmnbv_fockewulfe, on 04 July 2018 - 10:07 PM, said:

Am I the only one that remembers the vision of the game being ESports?

 

i would be the Cleveland Browns of wowp e-sports


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