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CaptainBussey #1 Posted 18 June 2018 - 04:08 AM

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I'm almost embarrassed that it took as long as it did, but I think I have this game pegged.

 

It's a big War Gaming practical joke.

 

Now listen to me and think about it for a second. What else could it possibly be? 

 

It DAMN SURE isn't a legitimate attempt at a game..................

 

First let's talk about the bots. The fact that a "PvP" game is 90% bots really says a lot about the game but actually its more than that. They make it somewhat ambiguous and confusing for new players to tell bots from players. For one all white players are bots, but some red players are also. Some bots are counted in score, some are not. Then add in the [edited]chat between bots, nothing more than an attempt to fool newcomers and "trick" them into thinking this game is full of players and this is really a popular game. I think it is a very intentional and deceitful tactic, and one they should be ashamed of.

 

Continuing with bots, I'm not the only one that notices the lack of parity when it comes to the performance of the bots. With bots you would think it would be easier to level the game and keep team balance in all of the matches yet it is the exact opposite. How in the hell do you directly control 90% of the  players in every match (ie bots) but not have any balance? It has to be that practical joke I'm talking about.

 

Next about the game itself. The way in which you succeed and do well in this game is so confusing and convoluted you would have to have a degree from MIT to fully understand it. A game such as this should be grounded (no pun intended) in two teams facing off, going head to head, dogfighting, to see who is the better pilot. But nothing could be farther from the case. This game closer resembles Legend of Zelda than it does a WWII+ fighter plane dogfighting game. Too much emphasis on everything but two planes dogfighting that the dogfighting gets lost in the mix. Its like your kid coming home with school pictures and they used screenshots from a porn flick as a backdrop. Somehow what you intended to capture is lost by its surroundings.... Collecting resources, avoiding flack, babysitting bots, there really isn't enough time for the essence of what this game is. I've asked several times on here what does it take to be successful at this game, not individual stats, but game wise and not one person could give me a logical answer. Is it to collect more resources? Not really because there are times where you will be significantly out gaining your opponent and the game will suddenly end declaring you the loser. Would it be attrition? Hell no, I thought that would have been the obvious answer when I first started playing the game but people let me know real quick that isn't it. No one could really give me an answer, but they assured me it wasn't that. The funny thing about it is that when Attrition Mode is in effect the game isn't really about attrition, much less when its not. Is it about score? Not in anyway whatsoever....

 

There was guy in this forum that said it better than I think anyone could describe it. He said that WoWP is the only game besides golf where the lower score wins.

 

Another recent thread in this forum talked about how War Gaming uses the bots to throw games in favor of new players, and I actually think there is some truth to that. He stated that the bots on the new players team will be outstanding while bots on veteran players aren't much more than place markers. But I think it goes even deeper than that. I think it has just as much to do with planes as it does new players.

 

For example, if I buy a new premium plane from the tech tree or premium shop and use the pilot that comes with the plane shouldn't I get better as I play it? Regardless of how bad or good a pilot I am shouldn't I get inherently better if for no other reason my pilot is getting trained and developing his skills? I Know it may be anecdotal but I have found it to be the exact opposite, especially with team play. There more I play a plane the stats drop dramatically  even though I'm getting experience and my pilots is gaining skill. You can say it is coincidence or whatever you want but the more I use the same plane the more my team stats (especially) drop. I have about 7 premium planes and each one of them, like clock work, starting getting worse at almost the exact same time. Which was about between 40 and 50 matches. When I noticed this pattern I would pepper in planes that I haven't flown much and "coincidentally" every time I would switch to a plane I don't fly much I would immediately start winning again. Switch back to the planes I was flying initially and I immediately start losing. Coincidence? Maybe but I highly doubt it.

 

Then if you add in all of the other crazy and [edited]things that goes on with this game, the only logical conclusion is that this game is War Gaming's practical joke on the gaming community.

 

Things like............

 

Kills, I constantly get cheated out of kills. I would say at least 10%, maybe even 20% of the kills I make I don't get credit for. I will admit that some of them are the air defense aircraft that blowup (because of base capture) the second the I blow them up and I don't get credit for them (I'm sure that happens to everyone) but that is just a fraction of the kills I don't get credit for.  There are always ones where I do 98% of the damage and a bot does 2, but the Biot gets credit for the kill. It doesn't have to be the last 2% either. It can be the first 2%, the last 2%, or anywhere in between. The ones that really chap my [edited]though are the ones that I clearly shoot and kill, no one else shooting at them, no base is changing control, and I don't get credit. I will admit those happen the least but they still happen everyday.

 

Another one is Allies are dropping bombs, knocking down air defense aircraft, attack planes are knocking out AA, and the blue dial is S-L-O-W-L-Y creeping up and then all of a sudden in one fell swoosh the blue completely backs all the way to zero and turns completely red. With no enemy aircraft around whatsoever.

 

There are many other things I could go into detail about such as 

 

Spawn time

Out of bounds too close to the to the battle area

Can't choose plane to fit map, and it appearing WG choosing the exact opposite out of spite (more of that practical joke).

 

One more thing that I will touch on briefly is how in the hell can two planes collide, HEAD ON, and one plane fly away with credit for a kill while the other is dead spiraling toward the ground. I could understand a clipped wing hear or there, but I'm talking full speed 300 MPH, nose to nose collisions. It would be comical if not so damn stupid......

 

 

The bottom line is that Wot is too good of a game for WoWP to suck so damn bad (and before you bag on me for saying it sucks look at exhibit A: If this game were any good whatsoever you wouldn't have 90% of the matches filled with bots). Therefore I  have come to the conclusion that WoWP is nothing more than one of the biggest practical jokes in the history of online gaming.

 

 

 

 

 

 


Edited by xPALEHORSEx, 18 June 2018 - 04:17 AM.


FreeFOXMIKE #2 Posted 18 June 2018 - 04:45 AM

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WOW!     :sceptic::unsure::amazed::angry::facepalm::great:     

Sad to say you make some good points !


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Ace_BOTlistic_Cosmo #3 Posted 18 June 2018 - 04:49 AM

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yep,

WG listening skills are none

it's their way and you'll enjoy the journey the land of stupid

funny thing was they had a really good dogfighting game in 1.4

it even had sub strategies that included heavies and ground attackers

then they started to think everyone wants to play a strategy type game...

plain stupid

the reason nobody played it was because they never did a proper release,

ya know, like the haffazz'd thing the did with 2.0

a pathetic marketing with a pisspoor product...

and here we are

I dunno


if the pilot's good, see, I mean, if he's really..sharp, he can barrel that baby in so low [he spreads his arms like wings and laughs],

you oughtta see it sometime, it's a sight. A big plane like a '52. VRROOM! There's jet exhaust, fryin' chickens in the barnyard.


Toggle #4 Posted 18 June 2018 - 04:58 AM

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The longest April 1, ever!

CaptainBussey #5 Posted 18 June 2018 - 05:03 AM

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View PostToggle, on 17 June 2018 - 10:58 PM, said:

The longest April 1, ever!

 

 

Yep......



WolfWiz #6 Posted 18 June 2018 - 09:18 AM

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Or you win, shows win and when you get to the lobby it says defeat...

WG says "We give you pretty scenery during the holidays... Quit complaining the game is junk and full of Bugs its only been 2 years...."

 

 


Cyberdog52 #7 Posted 18 June 2018 - 12:18 PM

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View PostAce_BOTlistic_Cosmo, on 18 June 2018 - 04:49 AM, said:

the reason nobody played it was because they never did a proper release,

ya know, like the haffazz'd thing the did with 2.0

a pathetic marketing with a pisspoor product...

and here we are

I dunno

 

  You have to remember that when WoWP was released, it was several months after War Thunder had been released.  Even playtesting began ahead of WoWP.  Many who waited for WoWP played WT because they were chomping at the bit to play a MMP airplane battle no matter who made it.  By the time WoWP was released many players had become entrenched.  As mouse flying games were concerned, for many including myself, the differences were many.  I had a heck of a time just getting out of training.  The players that stuck with it had a great time.  For many, it was a matter of a path with the least resistance and they played WT (which has its own issues, I should add).

 

WG pretty much succumbed to the popularity of  WT without much of a fight.  By that time, WoWS was on the horizon and that's all I could think about.  Timing is everything in this industry.  If WoWP had been released first, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

 

 



trikke #8 Posted 18 June 2018 - 12:26 PM

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OP, you did very well in a winning battle yesterday, where i was on the losing side, so...


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_Panzerkunst_ #9 Posted 18 June 2018 - 02:09 PM

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For all the complaints and gripes about this game, we're still playing it and care about it enough to post on the forum. Sure the game isn't perfect, but I'm actually having FUN and that's worth more to me than the little "problems of this game". Just my 2 cents, thanks for all your guy's posts.
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legoboy0401 #10 Posted 18 June 2018 - 04:56 PM

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You know, it's getting to the point where this is such a joke of a game that the sound track for this game really ought to be replaced by this:

 


An average player with an average goal: greatness, someday. Today, mediocrity will have to suffice. But no matter, I will always play to the best of my ability, and I will always strive to make the best of my ability just that little bit stronger and better.

 

#Failureisalwaysanoption

 

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hamhockjones #11 Posted 18 June 2018 - 06:22 PM

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Palehorse I think you quoted me about golf.. lol. I have playing a long time since 2013. In the beginning we learned by losing to good pilots which makes perfect sense. Once we got kind of equal the game was awesome and fun and challenging. Plum addictive !  The match maker was more of a roll of the dice each game and we all knew that. Well in time a group of us that played all the time started dominating. Of coarse like most games weaker pilots started accusing us of cheating or using aim bots or cheat codes. Then gradually we noticed that bots were chasing us as if they were programmed to attack certain good pilots. Well me and the others adapted to that and continued to dominate. Next update we noticed that our guns had been dialed back just enough to make us fly in straight lines longer making us vunerable to getting shot down more. Ok we adapted to that and kept dominating. Then on the next upgrade we all noticed how one teams bombers new exactly where to go, and one teams bots would fly clueless over the blue sector and rarely drop bombs accurate on the red sector. Well on the next upgrade, the entire strategy was changed to where fighter pilots were of little importance . The bombers were more of a key to winning than anything, so if you got bad bombers you had very little chance of winning. They even fixed it where a bomber loaded down with bombs could out run fighter planes, lol. Everyones win percentage ban to drop, especially if you were very good ! Many fine pilots left the game because of the handicaps implemented onto great players. Now this latest upgrade is more of a downgrade. If you accept the specialist stuff, you get your plane zapped down to nothing and you must fly a sad plane until you do all your missions to just return your plane to almost normal ! All these add ons and equipment has caused the site to lag worse than ever before. Your frame rates have dropped, your ping has climbed and that is not good! IT is funny how someone that has nowhere near the flights I have , 5 , almost 6 years will counterpoint what im saying even though its all the truth! I have loved this game and now I am reduced to just liking it sometimes. Your perception in the short time you have been playing is excellent !  Now they have lowered your survivability by adding a pilot gets killed and you spin out of control. Pilots are getting killed with 300 hit points left ! Another attempt to stop our dominance. Each upgrade downgrades the best pilots . Just a sad fact of the game. They should use us on advertisement to draw in new players. Like, test your skills against our best pilots like BEARS,  or mnbv_fockewulfe, or whoever. Instead they have a terrible marketing strategy. Lets run off our veterans and attract new players, a losing effort I may add. Once the score was us 60,000 + them 20,000 + and my team lost, scores mean very little if anything, No matter how well you do your job, you can lose. In fact the odds are in the other teams favor in most games,  HAM

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CaptainBussey #12 Posted 19 June 2018 - 12:12 AM

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View Posttrikke, on 18 June 2018 - 06:26 AM, said:

OP, you did very well in a winning battle yesterday, where i was on the losing side, so...

 

Awesome!! I'll start looking for you. Maybe we can team up sometimes?




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