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MagusGerhardt #1 Posted 17 June 2018 - 04:35 PM

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Why do you do this, Wargaming?  Why do you make me hit you like that?  I don't want to do it; I'm just doing what's best for you.  You made this happen.

 

On the positive side, the introduction of more choices for equipment was good.  Everything else in this patch was unnecessary, uncalled for and undesirable.

 

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You are exactly right . In a first person shooter game, simplicity is the key! Make the game where everyone can play ..intelligent, dumb, special needs, and kids and older folks. If I owned this game, I would be getting rich simply from keeping it simple. 

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I had zero idea about any of this until I logged in today and had to scratch my head quite a bit about what I was seeing in my hanger. This isn't just a kick into the teeth of wowp vets in general. It's especially so for those that have put quite a few actual dollars into the game. I bought quite a few of my premiums with cash, and now I have to grind them? The ethics questions are one thing but there could be legal implications as well, regardess of the EULA. The EULA doesn't trump consumer protection laws. In the US, we aren't as well protected as our EU brethren. EU is why tanks no longer get nerfed. Let's be real. Every premium (and tech tree) vehicle just got the nerf hammer. If they want to put the specialist tier on tech tree vehicles, fine. The thing that REALLY gets me, is what MAGUS pointed out. They are selling premiums with the specialist config in the shop, which is even a bigger slap in the face to us who already own them. It's also blatently pay to win. Aren't companies learning from the public relations disaster that ended up being the pay to win aspect of the Battlefront 2 loot boxes? I guess not in WG's case. 

 

That's it for me and this game. Hard to understand how this game can be such a disaster yet tanks keeps improving. I'm going to keep it installed for as long as I can convert all of my XP, and then it's gone forever. There isn't even a point anymore. I keep thinking that it will turn, and then Persha drops a big anvil on our feet over and over and over again. 



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View PostGeneral_Lee_Miserable, on 17 June 2018 - 05:53 PM, said:

I had zero idea about any of this until I logged in today and had to scratch my head quite a bit about what I was seeing in my hanger. This isn't just a kick into the teeth of wowp vets in general. It's especially so for those that have put quite a few actual dollars into the game. I bought quite a few of my premiums with cash, and now I have to grind them? The ethics questions are one thing but there could be legal implications as well, regardess of the EULA. The EULA doesn't trump consumer protection laws. In the US, we aren't as well protected as our EU brethren. EU is why tanks no longer get nerfed. Let's be real. Every premium (and tech tree) vehicle just got the nerf hammer. If they want to put the specialist tier on tech tree vehicles, fine. The thing that REALLY gets me, is what MAGUS pointed out. They are selling premiums with the specialist config in the shop, which is even a bigger slap in the face to us who already own them. It's also blatently pay to win. Aren't companies learning from the public relations disaster that ended up being the pay to win aspect of the Battlefront 2 loot boxes? I guess not in WG's case. 

 

That's it for me and this game. Hard to understand how this game can be such a disaster yet tanks keeps improving. I'm going to keep it installed for as long as I can convert all of my XP, and then it's gone forever. There isn't even a point anymore. I keep thinking that it will turn, and then Persha drops a big anvil on our feet over and over and over again. 

 

I agree completely it is a cash grab and nothing more and my I5 Shkas will never be as good as before because it wont have as many consumable slots, having to choose between burning or getting the pilot healthy and I cant position the consumable that I can have in the button position I always had them as they chose what slots they can be put in .Why should I reward bad behavior by continuing to support a game where they go out of their way to alienate their player base. Roll it back to pre patch fix the bugs don't introduce new ones , fix the clan rating system that you broke with 2.0and give us the clan wars you said we would have 4 years ago.

MagusGerhardt #5 Posted 17 June 2018 - 06:20 PM

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View PostGeneral_Lee_Miserable, on 17 June 2018 - 10:53 AM, said:

I had zero idea about any of this until I logged in today and had to scratch my head quite a bit about what I was seeing in my hanger. This isn't just a kick into the teeth of wowp vets in general. It's especially so for those that have put quite a few actual dollars into the game. I bought quite a few of my premiums with cash, and now I have to grind them? The ethics questions are one thing but there could be legal implications as well, regardess of the EULA. The EULA doesn't trump consumer protection laws. In the US, we aren't as well protected as our EU brethren. EU is why tanks no longer get nerfed. Let's be real. Every premium (and tech tree) vehicle just got the nerf hammer. If they want to put the specialist tier on tech tree vehicles, fine. The thing that REALLY gets me, is what MAGUS pointed out. They are selling premiums with the specialist config in the shop, which is even a bigger slap in the face to us who already own them. It's also blatently pay to win. Aren't companies learning from the public relations disaster that ended up being the pay to win aspect of the Battlefront 2 loot boxes? I guess not in WG's case. 

 

That's it for me and this game. Hard to understand how this game can be such a disaster yet tanks keeps improving. I'm going to keep it installed for as long as I can convert all of my XP, and then it's gone forever. There isn't even a point anymore. I keep thinking that it will turn, and then Persha drops a big anvil on our feet over and over and over again. 

 

Agreed.  Disgusting cash grab.

 

If WG wants to avoid legal issues with states like New York that have consumer protection laws that make the EU blush, they had at the least better retroactively apply the specialist category to *every* premium plane that is currently in hangars, and should heavily consider adding it to all premium plane purchases for no extra charge.


 

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Persha won't pay for decent programming resource but you can probably bet your bottom $ they've got this all stitched up with top notch legal minds.

 

LATE EDIT: They've already anticipated anti-gambling provisions in the EU by not allowing p2w supply crates to be sold in certain jurisdictions (BE, NL).


Edited by Catch21, 17 June 2018 - 07:16 PM.


MagusGerhardt #7 Posted 17 June 2018 - 07:44 PM

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View PostCatch21, on 17 June 2018 - 12:06 PM, said:

Persha won't pay for decent programming resource but you can probably bet your bottom $ they've got this all stitched up with top notch legal minds.

 

LATE EDIT: They've already anticipated anti-gambling provisions in the EU by not allowing p2w supply crates to be sold in certain jurisdictions (BE, NL).

 

Yeah, but what do they do when New York state starts slapping them with a couple grand in fines when inevitable complaints are registered?  That's an administrative act, not the courts.

 

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The_Wild_Weasel #8 Posted 17 June 2018 - 08:02 PM

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..well WG ran me off of WOT, came over to planes and gave this a good go.....well lots to do outside, and many other games to play .

 

 

Im tired of feeding WG $$$.....

 

WG should take note from a well respected "Community ACE" ...... this patch blows!...back to DCS and Post Scriptim.... 

 

 

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Edited by The_Wild_Weasel, 17 June 2018 - 08:06 PM.


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Can you say " Cash Cow " . :B Let's say,..... we just follow the money trail:bajan:For Sale: BIG EQUIPMENT  CRATES for all ...... Fighters  $34....for all Multirole fighters $34 ...for all Heavy Fighters $34...for all Attack Fighters $34...for all Bombers $34. Do you see a pattern here?.....in case you missed it...it's MONEY:popcorn:You are given a choice.....grind away (and a MUST WIN to be awarded any equipment)   :playing: the battle, and grind your life away to return your planes back to original status,:kamikaze: or you can simply buy your way back in.  :coin:You did notice that they don't want those useless Tokens , or your account Credit, and their not interested in any of your Free exp. either. They don't even want any of your GOLD that have purchased before the release of this patch. They only accept CASH or Credit cards, "..... What's in your Wallet ". :great:Hope this puts the question to bed on " Why did they do this to my game "...... It's Not your game....it's theirs... and it's all about making money. :izmena:         Folks, you need to get over it, all big business do it, it's called " increasing their base revenue of Cash ".  Nothing personal....Just business. They are a business, and they would like to stay in business. I'm sure they are betting that you'll do both....Grind and when you get tired of grinding,..... purchase some Big equipment Crates to ease your pain. :facepalm:

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View PostMagusGerhardt, on 17 June 2018 - 06:20 PM, said:

 

Agreed.  Disgusting cash grab.

 

If WG wants to avoid legal issues with states like New York that have consumer protection laws that make the EU blush, they had at the least better retroactively apply the specialist category to *every* premium plane that is currently in hangars, and should heavily consider adding it to all premium plane purchases for no extra charge.

 

So they nerf all of the Tech-tree planes I spent the last year grinding.  Then they nerf all the premiums I bought and expect me to grind them too!? This is a major kick in the jimmies to anyone that spent time and actually paid money to support this game!  

 

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Right on Magus. I appreciate your take on this patch and I totally agree. Unfortunately whatever we say makes no difference. 

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More like eating "bull crap"...is what WG wants us to do .....

 

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MagusGerhardt #13 Posted 17 June 2018 - 11:44 PM

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No dissenting voices?  Not a single one?  Is there no one on the forums that is enjoying this patch and its contents?

 

I was really hoping to find some opposition here that would point out where I was wrong/mistaken.  :(

 

 

I guess it's official, then, that 2.0.5 is a Dumpster Fire.

 


 

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View PostMagusGerhardt, on 18 June 2018 - 07:44 AM, said:

No dissenting voices?  Not a single one?  Is there no one on the forums that is enjoying this patch and its contents?

 

I was really hoping to find some opposition here that would point out where I was wrong/mistaken.  :(

 

 

I guess it's official, then, that 2.0.5 is a Dumpster Fire.

 

 

I'm enjoying the patch but I'm not disagreeing with the cash grab or the issues raised (to begin with, I haven't watched the video having just woken up).

 

But my personal take is: "I don't understand the rage as the patch really does little to change the fundamentals of the game." I don't quite get the whole "THEY'VE NERFED ALL OUR PLANES" crowd beyond the very specific instance of being unable to play a preferred plane in a preferred configuration. And I sure as heck don't understand the screaming about "SPECIALIST OP"/"EQUIPMENT NERFED".

 

But that's just me. I expect to post a more thorough opinion on this patch once SonicPariah finishes putting out the fires and actually posts an official Poll/QnA thread. 


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View PostMagusGerhardt, on 17 June 2018 - 03:44 PM, said:

No dissenting voices?  Not a single one?  Is there no one on the forums that is enjoying this patch and its contents?

 

I was really hoping to find some opposition here that would point out where I was wrong/mistaken.  :(

 

 

I guess it's official, then, that 2.0.5 is a Dumpster Fire.

 

 

Sadly, it is as LWM(LitttleWhiteMouse, a community contrib. for World Of Warships) would say: hot garbage.

 

It is also how I would say it: Yet another WG fiasco/yet more reason to boycott WG.


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View PostSpiritFoxMY, on 17 June 2018 - 05:31 PM, said:

 

I'm enjoying the patch but I'm not disagreeing with the cash grab or the issues raised (to begin with, I haven't watched the video having just woken up).

 

But my personal take is: "I don't understand the rage as the patch really does little to change the fundamentals of the game." I don't quite get the whole "THEY'VE NERFED ALL OUR PLANES" crowd beyond the very specific instance of being unable to play a preferred plane in a preferred configuration. And I sure as heck don't understand the screaming about "SPECIALIST OP"/"EQUIPMENT NERFED".

 

But that's just me. I expect to post a more thorough opinion on this patch once SonicPariah finishes putting out the fires and actually posts an official Poll/QnA thread. 

 

I would ask this, SpiritFox, and please don't misconstrue this as an attack.

 

What about this patch addressed issues in the game?  What problems were fixed in the game by this patch?  Where were the requests to deviate from the equipment/consumable norms we have had since release and that the other two WG titles have adhered to?  

 

I can't speak for everyone, but I'm sperging over this because aircraft that I paid money for don't perform as they did before.  My P-80 that I *earned* through a very difficult mission completion is now mechanically inferior to a P-80 purchased today, and that makes me salty as hell.  :angry:


 

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View PostMagusGerhardt, on 18 June 2018 - 11:03 AM, said:

 

I would ask this, SpiritFox, and please don't misconstrue this as an attack.

 

What about this patch addressed issues in the game?  What problems were fixed in the game by this patch?  Where were the requests to deviate from the equipment/consumable norms we have had since release and that the other two WG titles have adhered to?  

 

I can't speak for everyone, but I'm sperging over this because aircraft that I paid money for don't perform as they did before.  My P-80 that I *earned* through a very difficult mission completion is now mechanically inferior to a P-80 purchased today, and that makes me salty as hell.  :angry:

 

Trust me magus, you're not alone. The frustration is understandable. Rumor has it premiums will be reduced even more with their Equipment + consumable slots back to 3x each next week. How that factors into the differing premiums throughout the tiers I have no idea. But in the higher tiers this will be a major upset.

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Well, I have a bunch of premiums as well that I threw money at and I'm kinda just shrugging my shoulder and saying "such is life". I don't fly them a lot and so I'm not especially salty about anything. While on a theoratical level I should be pissed, as a practical matter I simply don't play most of my planes enough to warrant losing my crapover these changes. Heck, I bought the P-80 less than a month ago for more than the current price.

 

I've been approaching this patch with a sort of "oh hey new stuff to meddle with" mindset and I'm content that I can continue to fly the few planes I really care about and actually tinker with them in ways that don't totally break them or the game.

 

I think the patch gives a kind of End Game to work towards and I think the idea is that we can take those few planes we love and deck them out into our own personal warbirds, not that "OMG WE NEED TO REGRIND ALL THE PLANES WE ONCE COMPLETED". At least that's how I'm looking at it and I'm enjoying it that way.

 

It doesn't really fix the underlying problems with the game and introduces a whole load of new problems but for me at least it hasn't been a bad experience.


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MagusGerhardt #19 Posted 18 June 2018 - 02:08 AM

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This isn't End Game.

 

End Game is clan wars and competitive team play.

 

This...is a Grindfest with option to Pay your Way into an Advantage over Others.  (Something that WG swears up and down their games don't do.)  Don't confuse one with the other.

 

What I'm getting is...that you don't really value your past investment into the game, and therefore are hard to upset over it.  That's okay, you do you.  I just needed to know if it was blind optimism fueling your positivity or if there was actually something rational behind it.  I really do understand where you're coming from, though.  I used to be you.


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Vid's comments are also on point imo. I wonder if now they will consider a roll back. Or is there no limit to the amount of negativity that they will simply just ignore it again and hide under a rug (again) and continue on in their own little world. Like nothing ever happened with 2.0.5... :bajan:


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