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WhiteKnight416 #81 Posted 15 June 2018 - 03:08 AM

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View PostShizzywiznut, on 15 June 2018 - 03:03 AM, said:

All earned paint schemes gone, damn gonna miss the flame job on my zero, and all of the 200 plus paints that I had in 1.xxx

 

 

that seems odd, I'd send a ticket on that, its not like customization has changed

Shizzywiznut #82 Posted 15 June 2018 - 03:22 AM

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View PostWhiteKnight416, on 14 June 2018 - 10:08 PM, said:

 

that seems odd, I'd send a ticket on that, its not like customization has changed

fixed it just by logging back in, and as far as contacting customer support.... last time I contacted them they still have not rectified the issue that was 8 months ago and that was just a waste of my time. 

I have no faith in customer support when they do nothing, but give a canned response, the issue is not corrected, and then close the ticket:(



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Pros:

Limited Equipment in lower tiers is offputting to sealclubbing, levels the field a bit for newbies (at least pre-Specialist)

Can potentially result in more varied aircraft performances, gotta weigh up pros & cons.

Replays

Better visible aircraft stats in hangar, appear to update correctly with Upgrades/Equipment/Crew skill

Materials are fairly easy to get

 

Cons:

Confusing

I think excessively complex, a more simple 2-tier Equipment with 2nd tier having pro/con & no RNG could have given most of the pro effect without being over-complex.

Initially actually results in less varied aircraft performances, limited slot availability means you can't actually specialise how you want to play so much as previously (at least non-Specialist).

Some of my favourite planes are lower tiers and I need to play them to complete Token Missions.

I look at some of the Equipment available & think 'I don't think the positive is particularly useful and definitely don't want the negative on this plane' -> no Equipment. (may change when I get Specialist)

I'm getting some weird shot registration/synch issues, no audio/bar progression for several secs then whole bunch real quick. Especially seems to happen in tailgunner, I've had a bunch of cases where the camera cuts away & plane starts spinning uncontrollably while still having as much as about 20% health left.

Daily *2 star doesn't go away until after you play a different plane, may come back if you repeat play the same plane.


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Billy_The_Butcher #84 Posted 15 June 2018 - 04:22 AM

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View PostOnyx, on 14 June 2018 - 11:21 PM, said:

Bots ram when they think they'll win ramming, it's an intended tactic.  Unless you mean bots in a turn fight.

 

You also forgot: 

 

Cons:

  1. Upgrades are of a random strength (apparently).

That's a huge one to bring up as it destroys balance.

 

This blows my mind, how on earth are we supposed to get sold on the idea of MORE grinding for RANDOM upgrades?

It's the worst idea yet from WG, and that is one heck of an accomplishment !



Billy_The_Butcher #85 Posted 15 June 2018 - 04:25 AM

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View Posthoom, on 15 June 2018 - 03:54 AM, said:

Pros:

Limited Equipment in lower tiers is offputting to sealclubbing, levels the field a bit for newbies (at least pre-Specialist)

Can potentially result in more varied aircraft performances, gotta weigh up pros & cons.

Replays

Better visible aircraft stats in hangar, appear to update correctly with Upgrades/Equipment/Crew skill

Materials are fairly easy to get

 

Cons:

Confusing

I think excessively complex, a more simple 2-tier Equipment with 2nd tier having pro/con & no RNG could have given most of the pro effect without being over-complex.

Initially actually results in less varied aircraft performances, limited slot availability means you can't actually specialise how you want to play so much as previously (at least non-Specialist).

Some of my favourite planes are lower tiers and I need to play them to complete Token Missions.

I look at some of the Equipment available & think 'I don't think the positive is particularly useful and definitely don't want the negative on this plane' -> no Equipment. (may change when I get Specialist)

I'm getting some weird shot registration/synch issues, no audio/bar progression for several secs then whole bunch real quick. Especially seems to happen in tailgunner, I've had a bunch of cases where the camera cuts away & plane starts spinning uncontrollably while still having as much as about 20% health left.

Daily *2 star doesn't go away until after you play a different plane, may come back if you repeat play the same plane.

 

yea agree 100% good post

Billy_The_Butcher #86 Posted 15 June 2018 - 04:31 AM

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View PostWhiteKnight416, on 15 June 2018 - 12:24 AM, said:

 

In the same vein I think the late American Thunder series , P47N/XP72/F84x will struggle with the air component

 

Quoting yourself? LOL

Onyx #87 Posted 15 June 2018 - 04:44 AM

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View PostAnubis_TD, on 13 June 2018 - 02:16 PM, said:

3) Population: this new stuff seems more geared to keep long time players playing not draw new blood and does nothing to protect any new player from being clubbed.

Like Level 1 dailies this will force more top players down in the intro levels to pummel new people. People who can't tell bots from people anyways.

 

It's sad because the thing I was waiting for most was a balance pass.  The game's balance is and has been awful with some vehicles being god-tier while others are so forgettable that I'd rather free XP past them.  So the devs apparently made it so balance is now worse than it was before (with grind-gated grinding) and the balance is still just as bad as when I stopped playing waiting for the balance pass promised in janurary.

 

Woo.

 

This has obviously been a massive drain on resources to design it and I can't help but feel the devs completely missed the mark on what the game actually needs.



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Cons: game isn't worth playing anymore (who the hell thought MORE GRIND was what players wanted?!)

Pros: one less game to spend money on


Edited by Zergling, 15 June 2018 - 05:01 AM.


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RIGHT NOW MY OPINION ------ALL "CON's"

can not even log in the the "Silly" thing My Old Pass still works in WoT,but    :amazed:WoWP  

So whats the deal ?

Ticket sent,and comments made!

But so far

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For nigh on fifteen years
All this time I watched my woman
Drownin' in a pool of tears
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That had a lot of bills to pay
I'd give the shirt right offa' my back
If I had the guts to say
Take this job and shove it
I ain't working here no more"
 
At least till it fixed  lol

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Bobby_Tables #90 Posted 15 June 2018 - 05:13 AM

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So, I won the mission for New Equipment and got the Improved Lightweight Wing Frame.  Great.

 

Now, to progess to the next thing, I have to somehow mount the Improved Lightweight Wing Frame onto some plane.  But, I cannot figure out how to mount that damn thing onto any plane!  How do I do that?  What do I need to do?  I don't see it in any options for any of my planes.  Therefore, I cannot progress beyond this mission.  

 

[Edit]  OK, I figured it out, I won this in my Spitfire 1a and I had to demount equipment in order to remount this improved equipment even though I did not really want it and that enabled me to progress on the missions.  

 

With that said, I have a ton of Netflix shows in my queue that are starting to look more and more enticing.  I dunno, maybe I am in the minority, but this type of convoluted complexity is not something I find enjoyable.  


Edited by Bobby_Tables, 15 June 2018 - 05:33 AM.


Onyx #91 Posted 15 June 2018 - 05:21 AM

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You mount equipment via the services tab of the plane, you see what you need to do by clicking the bar in the top right under the plane name which, if elite, will tell you the missions you need to do to unlock specialized status.  And yes, this isn't explained anywhere, the UI just expects you to know how to find it.


Edited by Onyx, 15 June 2018 - 05:24 AM.


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View PostBobby_Tables, on 15 June 2018 - 01:13 PM, said:

So, I won the mission for New Equipment and got the Improved Lightweight Wing Frame.  Great.

 

Now, to progess to the next thing, I have to somehow mount the Improved Lightweight Wing Frame onto some plane.  But, I cannot figure out how to mount that damn thing onto any plane!  How do I do that?  What do I need to do?  I don't see it in any options for any of my planes.  Therefore, I cannot progress beyond this mission.  

 

Maybe I am simple, but IMHO this is just the most convoluted disaster I have ever seen in a game.  

 

Anyone have any insight since the WOWP blogs don't take you through the basics?

 

Thanks for any help.  

 

Ok, so the Lightweight Wing Frame should go onto an airplane's Airframe equipment slot and TYPICALLY, that slot is locked for non-Specialist airplanes. So you'll need to unlock Specialist status on one of your airplanes either by grinding it or paying Tokens to unlock it. Click the bar on top of your airplane's stat card to find out what you need to do; that will bring up a guide on "specializing" your plane. Scroll over to the second page and the option to buy it along with the tasks you need to accomplish to unlock it normally will be at the bottom of the page.


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ArrowZ_ #93 Posted 15 June 2018 - 05:35 AM

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Just guessing here. I'd check the LF/MRFs that can equip it. Most of them I think. But It may depend on those periods. Also they categorize the equips on the drop down box on the right when you choose. One is for configuration (already mounted on other configs), depot, other aircraft with similar equipment mounted (but not the exact same you are using - this is like switching pilots between aircrafts but with equips) & purchase.

 

Then there's the whole you can't use advanced equips until specialist. But from what I can tell when I go to enhancements it still gives me the option to enhance an improved equipment pre-specialist missions. Will def need confirmation on this. So far I've only gone up to improved equip levels. Haven't grinded enough materials yet to reach that far.

 

*ninja'd ^

That's also a factor. Some slots are locked until specialist is completed. Just not sure which exact planes have the slot locked for this specific equipment though. It probably starts with identifying the period of the equipment and you go from there.


Edited by ArrowZ_, 15 June 2018 - 05:36 AM.

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Bobby_Tables #94 Posted 15 June 2018 - 05:37 AM

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View PostSpiritFoxMY, on 14 June 2018 - 11:33 PM, said:

 

Ok, so the Lightweight Wing Frame should go onto an airplane's Airframe equipment slot and TYPICALLY, that slot is locked for non-Specialist airplanes. So you'll need to unlock Specialist status on one of your airplanes either by grinding it or paying Tokens to unlock it. Click the bar on top of your airplane's stat card to find out what you need to do; that will bring up a guide on "specializing" your plane. Scroll over to the second page and the option to buy it along with the tasks you need to accomplish to unlock it normally will be at the bottom of the page.

 

Or.... I could just move on to Candy Crush which is starting to seem more tempting by the moment.  Really, I am not that dense, but this is just ridiculous.  BTW, how the hell do you unlock Specialist?  I tried to figure that one out days ago and just got lost.

 

Maybe it's because I play one plane and then move on.  Should I grind just one plane again and again and again?  What enables me to get Specialist?



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I know bobbeh. It's just other forms of hoops & hurdles. 3 requirements for specialist

 

1. Elite (All modules maxed)

2. The missions (Right side of the screen - your aircraft characteristics stats top area where you see the little AF skinny bar)

3. Paying 750k silver to complete it (Which is silly to say the least but w/e - just an obvious paywall to increase grind)

 

This is just going to be one of those things that only a minor few who can stomach the grind - to just getting used to the new system. New players are going to be lost... lol


Edited by ArrowZ_, 15 June 2018 - 05:41 AM.

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ARCNA442 #96 Posted 15 June 2018 - 06:02 AM

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Drop the win condition to upgrade a plane! That was a ridiculously bad idea - has anyone ever said they enjoyed getting absolutely nothing on a loss and wanted to see more of that in the game? I can live with a pointlessly complex equipment system and an even longer grind than before, but this win condition is just introducing extra frustration in the game for no reason. Oh, and having the game crash twice in less than a dozen battles today wasn't great either.I really feel that this game is buggier now than when 2.0 was first released.

SpiritFoxMY #97 Posted 15 June 2018 - 06:13 AM

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This is where the Specialization tab is

 

Once you've clicked

 

Specialize

 

To Equip:


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Fliyntiger #98 Posted 15 June 2018 - 06:28 AM

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WG, IF YOU DON'T WANT FRAKING GAA IN THE GAME JUST FRAKING NUKE THE WHOLE SLOT & BE DONE WITH IT!

Hi all, Fliyntiger here, joined up in 7/2013, just when open beta started, between then & now, probably close to 5k missions over all, mostly in the TSH-2, I like Ground attack, I'm good at it, but all the time & effort I've put into my plane has been FRAKIN nerfed beyond all reason with this update!

 

I wait for the downloads to finish, ( yea WOT just had to update as well ) do all the log-in stuff. start looking at my hanger.

Go to "Service tab" Only Cockpit & airframe are highlighted. Clicking on cockpit doesn't do anything, click on airframe.

Frak… I lost my self seal tank, my armor plate, my reinforced airframe, do the only thing I can, mount stock polished skin

 

Go to update notes. ok, self seal has been replaced by "stock engine armor protection" go back to service tab...

AND BECAUSE THE FRAKING ENGINE ICON IS GRAYED OUT, I CAN'T FRAKING LOAD THE ARMOR PROTECTION!!!

 

And now I'm beginning to have a bad feeling about this.. Engine, guns, turret & outboard weapons icons are all grayed out. I can't even change my ammo type.

 

Head over to settings, cause I'm pretty sure all my advanced setting went out the window, like they do every time a major update comes down the pike. Yep.. change mouse back to joystick, go to change the pitch/yaw to suit my flying style... What the Frak? It won't save my input settings..Fine, cancel & get back out to hanger & start. Game loads, reasonable time, fortress scenario. Game starts, I boost for garrison, get some height, roll in on the 4 square tents, fire off a 5 sec burst....

No Effect.. What the Frak? Pull out, bank over & pickle the AA gun that chewing up my armor, 10 sec burst... Not even burning.. Now I'm getting annoyed..

Roll back in on the Tents, 1, only 1 blows after a 20 sec burst.

 

Get the "enemy on your tail warning", kill my throttle, lift the nose to dump speed, Type 91 overshoots me, banks slightly, levels out.. "bot" I smile, kick the rudder right & line up right behind him, 400 feet out pull the trigger..I'm hittin him, but he's not fraking dropping points! After almost 30 seconds of sustained fire from 2 fuselage & 8 outboard 7.62 guns, he finally breaks up & spirals in..

 

I'm thinking "What the Frak, I could drop a type 91 in seven seconds before the update"  & go back to try taking out ground targets, I say try because the AA gun I was targeting took 35 seconds to blow up.

By now, I am getting a bit.. irritated. But hey, the games over we won, back to the hanger.. with abysmal statistics.

 

2nd game, same results in damage, except that the game went wonky, I lost control, crashed, then Black screen of death until end of game, back to hanger.

 

Cleared all caches, shut down, restart computer..

 

3rd game, crashed while getting too close to an AA gun (25 sec burst, no result) Black screen of death..Fraking Again...

 

My Elite pilot skills are : Eagle Eye, Protection Expert, Marksman 2 (upgrade from Marksman 1).

My Elite Gunner skills are : Armorer,  Ballistic Expert, Quick Reflexes, Precision Gunner.

 

SO WG, I ASK, "WHAT THE FRAK DID YOU DO? I WENT FROM BEING A SKY ORCA TO A DUMBO TARGET IN 1 UPDATE!"

And the worst thing is, I know that they will want me to delete & reload the game..yet again...

 

I've put a lot of time & some money into this, got about 100 days of premium left..

and I'm so disgusted right now, I'm this close to hanging up my flight jacket & locking the hanger doors


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I'm honestly not going to max the equipment, just going to stick with upgrades like aim mods. a game with full upgrades I noticed a significant increase in getting crit when running full upgrades. I'd say just get one or two(at most), focus on crew skills more. I think the new equipment needs to be taken out and they need to move it to a test server for further testing(cause it doesn't feel tested) and roll back to the old equipment. I didn't have a problem with the old equipment, this was a short sighted change on WoWP dev's part and should've been tested in a sandbox server before any such changes hit the live(cause maybe it could've been good with some community feedback from the get go or we could've avoided it all together).

 

Initial impressions so far are not good. Equipment is now worse and my first battle I saw some serious graphical artifacts. Not sure why, going to run a repair before I run the game again to make sure its not file corruption possibly.



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Oh another note, why doesn't the XP58 get a turret slot?  The SE100 in my garage has one....




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