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[CorvusCorvax]

During this Attrition weekend I learned something very important about the Bf-109.  I have the Emil, and the Emil was a great plane the way I had it specced.  But I got the inside scoop from someone who rocks this plane in the way it should be played - a guy who made 12k personal points in every match we played together.

 

Maximize the speed.

 

His set-up was to maximize the speed first.  Engine Guru I and II.  Engine Tuning.  Aerodynamics expert.

 

Then, on top of that, Improved Covering and Gyroscopic Sight.  Add later Marksman I and II.

 

His  Emil was FAST.  And he was rocking it hard. I am totally sold on this build after watch him work.

[Stab74]

I don't think I understand.  If going for a speed build wouldn't you want to lose the Improved Covering and use Aircraft Polish instead?

[Caducus46]

Yes. I switched to Aircraft Polish once I got enough points for Aerodynamics Expert. I found Improved Covering useful until that time. I run the Sight, Engine Tuning, and Aircraft Polish for Equipment now. My pilot skills are Engine Guru 1 and 2, Aerodynamics Expert, and finally Marksman 1. I think that gives a total of +12% to Engine Power and +9% to Speed, with all the skills and equipment. Climb early and use altitude to pounce on opponents, while keeping the energy and speed to either come back around for another pass or create space, if needed.

[GonerNL]

Sounds good ... lots of speed. But you lose maneuverability ?

I am now on the 109-G and still use lightweight airframe, control surface adj, engine tuning with aerodynamics, engine guru (mix of maneuverability and speed)

[SlappedbyRommel]

Caducus46, on 29 May 2018 - 05:52 PM, said:

Yes. I switched to Aircraft Polish once I got enough points for Aerodynamics Expert. I found Improved Covering useful until that time. I run the Sight, Engine Tuning, and Aircraft Polish for Equipment now. My pilot skills are Engine Guru 1 and 2, Aerodynamics Expert, and finally Marksman 1. I think that gives a total of +12% to Engine Power and +9% to Speed, with all the skills and equipment. Climb early and use altitude to pounce on opponents, while keeping the energy and speed to either come back around for another pass or create space, if needed.

 

Damn you Cad you gave away your secrets.......lol

[ComradeZ]

What tiers are we talking here? The most BF-109s I see are Air Defense aircraft.

[FIight]

bf109's strength never lies in her speed; she is not necessarily faster than spitfire

[CorvusCorvax]

FIight, on 05 June 2018 - 04:51 PM, said:

bf109's strength never lies in her speed; she is not necessarily faster than spitfire

 

LOL, OK.

 

Try it in-game sometime.

[Reitousair]

CorvusCorvax, on 05 June 2018 - 11:00 AM, said:

 

LOL, OK.

 

Try it in-game sometime.

 

Hmm, it appears you don't know your aircraft stats too well, FIight is actually right there, it's only until the 109 G that the Bf-109 series is faster than the Spitfires. A Bf-109 (bar the G) is not necessarily faster than a Spitfire, in fact they aren't, what they do have however is acceleration and energy retention. You may think a Bf-109 E is faster than a Spitfire I, but it's not, it's just able to carry speed and gain speed far better than a Spitfire I. If a Bf-109 E and Spitfire I both started at 500KPH, the 109 E would get to 560 KPH faster than the Spit 1, but the Spit 1 will be able to go faster than the 109 E.

 

To show my point:

 

 

 

 

A lot of people forget that there's differences between top speed, acceleration, and energy retention. An Su-9 is one of the fastest tier 8 planes in the game, but it doesn't have the acceleration nor energy retention to get there. The Pancake is a bit average in speed at tier 8, and the acceleration isn't that great, but the energy retention is absolutely absurd allowing you to carry that energy far beyond almost every plane in the game. The Ki-94-II is a very slow tier 8 fighter, but the acceleration can carry it to top speed faster than anything else in tier 8.

[CorvusCorvax]

Like I said - try it in-game.  Stats are cool, but game-play is where the rubber meets the road.

[YagabodooN]

Guess what, a speed build is useful on every aircraft in the game, even most of the slowest ones. 

More speed/ energy generation = more targets to select, better movement to important objectives, better escape options and easier time closing distance to get most out of your guns. 

'slow' planes like the early Bf and the Japanese army line can still wreck people, because their alt cap means they can more effectively store up more energy to convert into speed, and therefore get an advantage. 

 

[Caducus46]

Exactly. And the 109 E (as well as the other 109s) have strong engines that can climb. And once you're higher, you're able to be in a position to dive on planes. Not to mention, the German engines are already strong at getting back up to speed. With tuning and gurus it takes no telling at all.