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cobra_marksman #1 Posted 26 May 2018 - 09:47 PM

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Seasoned players that mostly fly solo, well.... your just going to have to continue taking 1 for the Wowp Team. Most of the seasoned player by now, know all the maps, targets, point value, along with what works to achieve a victory. Now when these special events come along, ( to attract new members ) you'll notice a big swing of Super Bots towards the newbie team. Now I don't mind, throwing a round or two, to the new players for the sake of attracting new members, but you need to tone it down a little...., or your seasoned players will just Boycott your special events.  Several times we noticed, after the round was over, based on team points, capped bases, & total points,.... that their must of been " a fix involved " in the final outcome. My last round was the straw that broke the camels back. Scored …  13,475 total points, 3 of 4 bases capped and was awarded a Loss.. The newbie had 1,345 points, and (  his top 4 bots superbots  ) had a total of 14,000 total points, Now all of  my DumbBots  stayed in the range of 1500 points each . Now LOOK  real close at this...…. he scored less then 10% of my final score , &  was awarded with the win based on what his superBots accomplished for him. This is just one of several outcomes in the past, when paired against a newbie pilot. Most of the seasoned players here, play hard & long, to keep our win / loss ratio above 65%, and we really don't appreciate, ( Wowp ) swapping that out for a chance for more new players. If you haven't caught on by now, seasoned player are leaving Wowp, they do see the Bull...that going on here, & they do have options, as where they would like to play & enjoy a Fair & Balanced game. Get a clue here, this is not how you take care of your base players who spend Dollars & Buy Airplanes.

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BuffaloTime #2 Posted 26 May 2018 - 10:20 PM

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I have all three female pilots. I know I would not be in the top ten, but if players that have all three are trying for the top ten ---- think about it. Only ten players will get it ...TEN! Give the new people the bonus. We know you are good, we lose to you. 

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ComradeZ #3 Posted 27 May 2018 - 01:41 AM

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This game is about as fair and balanced as the US Media.  I agree with op. I'm going to start up a separate acct and do some testing to see if this is the case.  

 



SgtSchlautter #4 Posted 27 May 2018 - 07:15 AM

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View PostBuffaloTime, on 26 May 2018 - 10:20 PM, said:

I have all three female pilots. I know I would not be in the top ten, but if players that have all three are trying for the top ten ---- think about it. Only ten players will get it ...TEN! Give the new people the bonus. We know you are good, we lose to you. 

Said my piece.

Well, that isn't strictly true. Up to 30 players will be able to get this as this event will last for 3 weekends. Granted, if certain players get in the top 10 multiple weekends, then there will be less than 30 people who receive it. That being said, I'm certainly not disagreeing with you. This event is quite lackluster to say the least



trikke #5 Posted 27 May 2018 - 11:36 AM

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i never get a chance to fly on weekends, but i will later today!

 

i'm certainly not in the same class as my clan buddy Cobra, so i might escape from the MS-13-superbot menace 

 

 

edit:   i'm probably in the minority, but personally, i'm glad that new folks are getting some 'help', when pitted against top pilots

 

that new guy probably had no idea at all that his teammates were bots


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cobra_marksman #6 Posted 27 May 2018 - 12:39 PM

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Most of the seasoned players, don't mind losing a good fight to a new player, and at times most of us don't mind giving a few rounds a night to help them advance in the game. As a recruiter for our clan, this is what we look for in new recruits. No one minds Handicaps given to them in the way of better bots, most of us understand that, but they also Need to earn the win. Being 2nd from the bottom of his team, and being awarded the win, is not what most of us here considers here as a Victory win. Bottom line  .... When you see this happening, quite often, it becomes a problem to us. When you fly your butt off & fight hard & long, it becomes very difficult to understand why the round, was just given away to someone who didn't.... Earn the win So in simple terms.... it's rather insulting to all players . Seasoned pilots are finding it much easier to just log out of the game, rather then sticking around and putting up with this aggravation & frustration of it.. This problem need to be addressed, because. good players are gaming less here on Wowp, and beginning to look elsewhere, for on-line game enjoyment.


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trikke #7 Posted 27 May 2018 - 01:46 PM

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View Postcobra_marksman, on 27 May 2018 - 08:39 AM, said:

When you fly your butt off & fight hard & long, it becomes very difficult to understand why the round, was just given away to someone who didn't.... Earn the win

 

catch-22

 

you earned the win, but the win was given to the new beginner pilot because of the superbots

 

if he was good enough, had advanced enough, to actually earn the win, then he wouldn't have gotten the superbots, and you would have won

 

i do see your point now


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mnbv_fockewulfe #8 Posted 27 May 2018 - 02:08 PM

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View Posttrikke, on 27 May 2018 - 01:46 PM, said:

 

catch-22

 

you earned the win, but the win was given to the new beginner pilot because of the superbots

 

if he was good enough, had advanced enough, to actually earn the win, then he wouldn't have gotten the superbots, and you would have won

 

i do see your point now

 

At least in DM you could eliminate the super bots for good and they wouldn't come back to haunt you. 

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View PostComradeZ, on 26 May 2018 - 05:41 PM, said:

This game is about as fair and balanced as the US Media.  I agree with op. I'm going to start up a separate acct and do some testing to see if this is the case.  

 

 

The US media is fair and balanced.

Fox News just has a different idea of fair and balanced.

By their own admission in court, 90% of Fox News's programing is "entertainment" and only 10% are "news programs".


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Auwingr #10 Posted 27 May 2018 - 06:54 PM

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I understand the complaints here, as I've had a number of evenings when I was usually in the top 3 players and many times the top player only to lose. 

A few evenings ago I was in 10 battles, top 3 in all 10 and lost all but 1. The one I won was a tier 4 battle and was just so fed up with trying to advance a tier 8 plane I was playing.

 

Complained to WoWP's and sent screen shots and received a response that was nothing more than "we feel your pain, but stuff happens." 

 

I, like a lot of players, understand when we get beat by superior players, but when you only have 2 or 3 live players and they score in the lower half of the final results you have to wonder wth.

 

With results like this forget about retaining a decent win percentage.

 



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Bot imbalance is nothing new, IMO.  I would play this game more if it wasn't for the fact that wins are determined more by relative bot skill than player skill

mnbv_fockewulfe #12 Posted 02 June 2018 - 07:04 PM

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View Posteblingus, on 02 June 2018 - 06:23 PM, said:

Bot imbalance is nothing new, IMO.  I would play this game more if it wasn't for the fact that wins are determined more by relative bot skill than player skill

 

Apparently, only classes and plane type are balanced by the mm. Meaning imbalanced bot skills between the teams is likely to happen.

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View Postmnbv_fockewulfe, on 02 June 2018 - 02:04 PM, said:

Apparently, only classes and plane type are balanced by the mm. Meaning imbalanced bot skills between the teams is likely to happen.

 

I think WG said that both teams had the same number of bot types. That said, idk if they're evenly distributed among plane types (like one team getting a Veteran Spitfire XIV while the other gets a veteran RB-17)


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View PostLMG, on 02 June 2018 - 07:21 PM, said:

 

I think WG said that both teams had the same number of bot types. That said, idk if they're evenly distributed among plane types (like one team getting a Veteran Spitfire XIV while the other gets a veteran RB-17)

 

afaik the latter situation is not balanced for.

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View PostAuwingr, on 27 May 2018 - 02:54 PM, said:

With results like this forget about retaining a decent win percentage.

 

if you're like me, then WR isn't really why we play this game

 

it's a fun game, with a great bunch of nice folks playing it along with you

 

consider the alternative...  you produce maximum scores and win rates, but in a game with vile deplorables as teammates and opponents 

 

i'll assume that's what most of the folks are like, in tanks and warships...   j/k

 

 


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View PostLMG, on 02 June 2018 - 07:21 PM, said:

 

I think WG said that both teams had the same number of bot types. That said, idk if they're evenly distributed among plane types (like one team getting a Veteran Spitfire XIV while the other gets a veteran RB-17)

 

Each team has the same number of equally skilled pilots for Bots and MM balances the types of planes between teams. However, if a player has a 9 Skill Point Pilot on an RB-17, the other team may just get a generic bot bomber.

 

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afaik the latter situation is not balanced for.

 

Correct, but we are looking at ways to balance it out.



trikke #17 Posted 06 June 2018 - 07:13 PM

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View PostSonicPariah, on 06 June 2018 - 12:38 PM, said:

Each team has the same number of equally skilled pilots for Bots and MM balances the types of planes between teams.     However, if a player has a 9 Skill Point Pilot on an RB-17, the other team may just get a generic bot bomber.

 

ty, brother...  that's good to know       

 

and if i'm deconstructing this sentence correctly... sometimes the bots have varying pilot skills, but are they random skills?   

 

would a LF bot pilot ever accidentally get a 'bombardier' skill, for example?

 

would you mind asking someone if bots also get random consumables and gold ammo?     

 

and since 'random' consumables and skills would sometimes work crossways with other consumables, would classes of planes would get the same consumables/skills each time?


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View Posttrikke, on 06 June 2018 - 02:13 PM, said:

ty, brother...  that's good to know       

 

and if i'm deconstructing this sentence correctly... sometimes the bots have varying pilot skills, but are they random skills?   

 

would a LF bot pilot ever accidentally get a 'bombardier' skill, for example?

 

would you mind asking someone if bots also get random consumables and gold ammo?     

 

and since 'random' consumables and skills would sometimes work crossways with other consumables, would classes of planes would get the same consumables/skills each time?

 

I think he meant "One team might get a human player on an RB-17 with a 9-skill point pilot, while the other team gets a simple bot RB-17 with no special tricks up its sleeve" :bajan:


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View Posttrikke, on 02 June 2018 - 09:18 PM, said:

if you're like me, then WR isn't really why we play this game

 

True. I play to have fun.

And even losing can be fun when it was a good, balanced battle !!  But not when you lose battle after battle because of the MM lottery ...  just like winning that way is no fun.



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View Posttrikke, on 06 June 2018 - 07:13 PM, said:

 

ty, brother...  that's good to know       

 

and if i'm deconstructing this sentence correctly... sometimes the bots have varying pilot skills, but are they random skills?   

 

would a LF bot pilot ever accidentally get a 'bombardier' skill, for example?

 

would you mind asking someone if bots also get random consumables and gold ammo?     

 

and since 'random' consumables and skills would sometimes work crossways with other consumables, would classes of planes would get the same consumables/skills each time?

 

The random skills are not completely random, but more a set of skills appropriate to their plane and tier.

 

Bots do indeed get Consumables, but no word on the Gold Ammo. Will ask about that.






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