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Bubba_Zanetti #21 Posted 14 May 2018 - 02:15 AM

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It’s not Rush Ace.

 

but...

 


 

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View PostBubba_Zanetti, on 13 May 2018 - 09:15 PM, said:

 

It’s not Rush Ace.

 

but...

 

 

choose what you want...

a solid gold Kama Sutra coffee pot,
or a baby's arm holding an apple?

 


if the pilot's good, see, I mean, if he's really..sharp, he can barrel that baby in so low [he spreads his arms like wings and laughs],

you oughtta see it sometime, it's a sight. A big plane like a '52. VRROOM! There's jet exhaust, fryin' chickens in the barnyard.


Bobby_Tables #23 Posted 14 May 2018 - 05:09 AM

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Yo Chili!  

 

You have a LOT of battles under your belt in this new mode.  Some times going back to the basics helps me sort things out.  My win rate sux, but I don't care all that much.  It can be a frustrating game.  

 

I find that sometimes dropping down, but not to seal killer levels helps you remember the basics.  Fly the pixel plane as it was meant to be flown.  Don't try to force a multi-role into an exclusive GA mode, don't do the same for Heavies, etc.  Your losing streak seems quite extreme given the number of battles you have.  I just don't think it's the game.  I got the funny feeling somewhere along the line you started to deviate from a plan and now you are stuck trying more and more desperate things and that is probably screwing you up.

 

Relax, play the pixel plane the way it was meant to be flown and just see the Matrix.  



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View PostChilistreamz, on 14 May 2018 - 02:10 AM, said:

 

Thanks for your reply The streak has now extended to over 7 days y'day was my most positive day coming out with a 40% win rate for the day. It gave me hope but the games I have played today I see im back to a 15% win rate. In these games I constantly finish top 2 (Majority 1st).I know this game is very hard to carry a team in but a little more equality in the spreading out of the skill levels of both teams would be something I would love to see.

Again I appreciate the reply.

 

I had some of the worst crapever today. Fired a rocket through the middle of a plane for no damage, and a plane I was chasing killed me, but it has no tail guns or bombs. Yeah go figure. Just hopefully thing s change for you.

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View Postbjorn1984, on 14 May 2018 - 05:28 AM, said:

 

I had some of the worst crapever today. Fired a rocket through the middle of a plane for no damage, and a plane I was chasing killed me, but it has no tail guns or bombs. Yeah go figure. Just hopefully thing s change for you.

 

I hear you there. Was flying my 1099 b-2 with the 50mm and I was watching shells go through il-40 and cause no damage but when I miss (the shell flies past the plane model) it would count. Also with the big single shot cannons, you can totally see the aim assist mechanic in action too!

 

Edit: back to topic, I've flown with him for at least 2-3 months now on a regular basis and it's happened to me as well.  I concur with the taking it down a few levels, however we both have seen the same [edited]stuff in low tiers as well.   I've also flown more than 2k battles and now I see a tactic that's very interesting and seems to work: horde up with the bots and follow the swarm. 

 


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following the bots has always been a good strategy, because the faster that they can flip the cap (with your help), the faster they can move on to their next pre-programmed target

 

plus...  they make excellent bullet sponges


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View PostComradeZ, on 14 May 2018 - 06:28 AM, said:

 

I hear you there. Was flying my 1099 b-2 with the 50mm and I was watching shells go through il-40 and cause no damage but when I miss (the shell flies past the plane model) it would count. Also with the big single shot cannons, you can totally see the aim assist mechanic in action too!

 

Edit: back to topic, I've flown with him for at least 2-3 months now on a regular basis and it's happened to me as well.  I concur with the taking it down a few levels, however we both have seen the same [edited]stuff in low tiers as well.   I've also flown more than 2k battles and now I see a tactic that's very interesting and seems to work: horde up with the bots and follow the swarm. 

 

 

View Posttrikke, on 14 May 2018 - 02:11 PM, said:

following the bots has always been a good strategy, because the faster that they can flip the cap (with your help), the faster they can move on to their next pre-programmed target

 

plus...  they make excellent bullet sponges

 

Thanks for your views guys. I will give that a go the next time I fly.

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Chilli,

 

Ima give this to you straight.

  • Get the idea of a karma system, or the MM is out to get you our of your head.
  • If you are doing the same thing over and over and losing, YOU need to change something.  Not MM.
  • Reflect on the battle, analyze what you did, what your team did, and what the enemy team did.  Look at the battle results of every live player, and pay attention to what the bots are doing.  THIS will give you insight into the loss and you can think of ways to change your tactics to counteract what the enemy did.

 

I watch your streams, but not enough to give you specific advice although I did pick up on a couple things that I saw in individual battles.  I'm not saying these are problems across all your games, just what I saw yesterday as I was paying more attention after reading your OP in this thread.

 

  •  When you are in a flight get rid of the idea that you are escorting your flight mate.  You are both there to do a job, if you are escorting or protecting, this means that 2 people are doing 1 job.  Your flight mate might be safe and able to continue his job, but you are not doing yours.  Don't waste time hanging around waiting for your flight mate. Because the population is low, generally the teams consist of only 2 or 3 live players per side, so you and your flight mate need to carry so the battle isn't left up to your bots.  Generally if you have 2 players doing a good job on a team, it results in a win.
  • While you are still learning the game across all plane types and tiers, I would recommend FOR NOW that you do not use your HF on ground targets. Discipline yourself to make planes your primary focus.  FOR NOW remove all your ordnance, this will remove the temptation to change focus to GT.  And definitely don't waste time trying to destroy GT with guns in anything but a GA plane.  Once you get good enough, you can bring back the ordnance, but is should only be used if the opportunity presents itself, which is a small portion of the battle, again planes should be your main focus.
  • I heard a lot of talk about "finishing first on the team but its a loss, just keep doing what you are doing and things will turn around" NOT ON THE STREAK YOU ARE CURRENTLY ON.  There is something you are doing wrong, a slump shouldn't last this long.  Again analyze where you are getting your points.  If you are getting points by destroying GT while in a HF, you are wasting a lot of time earning those points where you should be focusing on aerial targets.

 

I'm not the best player, but I do know my stuff.  I am able to maintain a 65% w/r flying mostly on my own, flying a variety of planes, and a variety of tiers.  I am not a master of any of them, but I am able to do well in whatever I fly.  Maybe you should narrow your focus to fewer plane types and tiers, this will allow you to get a better understanding of each battle as you eliminate the variable of having a different plane/tier.

 

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View Postgrandpadave, on 13 May 2018 - 04:00 AM, said:

In most of my games over the past couple of weeks, at least half of the "players" appear to be bots!

 

It wasn't like then when I started playing -- what happened?

If you don't know who the bots are and are guessing you're doing yourself a dis-service and operating at a significant disadvantage. Maybe install Krautjaeger's AI ID mod here and at least operate with the same knowledge almost everyone else has. This may stop you wondering why you're the most popular pilot- your plane has 'DANGER- HUMAN' written all over it- and why some 'players' seem to like inane pre-battle banter (bots like to chat, a bit ironic since human-human in-game chat is borked so often). 

 

View PostHANNIBAL_LECTER_1, on 13 May 2018 - 07:37 AM, said:

You need a wingman.

It helps hugely. My heart sinks when I'm up against an enemy flight and our team doesn't have one. Also when I'm in a 1-1 and the other human is a tier higher. I'm now seeing some other human players look at these Botworld match-ups and bale out pre-game (or during), leaving yours truly to face the music solo or in (usually much) reduced company.

 

View Posttrikke, on 14 May 2018 - 02:11 PM, said:

Following the bots has always been a good strategy, because the faster that they can flip the cap (with your help), the faster they can move on to their next pre-programmed target Plus...  they make excellent bullet sponges.

Exactly. I often fly between bases at start then dip in to help flip a cap. This has the added benefit of keeping you out of AA range for a while. Also lets the bot fodder absorb the initial shocks, rather like the Soviet use of Penal Battalions to clear minefields in WWII. 

 

Also @ Chilistreamz, do you have a link to where you stream (and is it possible to view old streams)? Thanks.


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View PostMARS_REVENANT, on 14 May 2018 - 10:15 AM, said:

Chilli,

 

Ima give this to you straight.

  • Get the idea of a karma system, or the MM is out to get you our of your head.
  • If you are doing the same thing over and over and losing, YOU need to change something.  Not MM.
  • Reflect on the battle, analyze what you did, what your team did, and what the enemy team did.  Look at the battle results of every live player, and pay attention to what the bots are doing.  THIS will give you insight into the loss and you can think of ways to change your tactics to counteract what the enemy did.

 

I watch your streams, but not enough to give you specific advice although I did pick up on a couple things that I saw in individual battles.  I'm not saying these are problems across all your games, just what I saw yesterday as I was paying more attention after reading your OP in this thread.

 

  •  When you are in a flight get rid of the idea that you are escorting your flight mate.  You are both there to do a job, if you are escorting or protecting, this means that 2 people are doing 1 job.  Your flight mate might be safe and able to continue his job, but you are not doing yours.  Don't waste time hanging around waiting for your flight mate. Because the population is low, generally the teams consist of only 2 or 3 live players per side, so you and your flight mate need to carry so the battle isn't left up to your bots.  Generally if you have 2 players doing a good job on a team, it results in a win.
  • While you are still learning the game across all plane types and tiers, I would recommend FOR NOW that you do not use your HF on ground targets. Discipline yourself to make planes your primary focus.  FOR NOW remove all your ordnance, this will remove the temptation to change focus to GT.  And definitely don't waste time trying to destroy GT with guns in anything but a GA plane.  Once you get good enough, you can bring back the ordnance, but is should only be used if the opportunity presents itself, which is a small portion of the battle, again planes should be your main focus.
  • I heard a lot of talk about "finishing first on the team but its a loss, just keep doing what you are doing and things will turn around" NOT ON THE STREAK YOU ARE CURRENTLY ON.  There is something you are doing wrong, a slump shouldn't last this long.  Again analyze where you are getting your points.  If you are getting points by destroying GT while in a HF, you are wasting a lot of time earning those points where you should be focusing on aerial targets.

 

I'm not the best player, but I do know my stuff.  I am able to maintain a 65% w/r flying mostly on my own, flying a variety of planes, and a variety of tiers.  I am not a master of any of them, but I am able to do well in whatever I fly.  Maybe you should narrow your focus to fewer plane types and tiers, this will allow you to get a better understanding of each battle as you eliminate the variable of having a different plane/tier.

 

REGARDS_

MARS_

 

excellent post with tons of good advice, brother 

 

i remember trying to fly HFs with bombs, but i personally couldn't do both jobs well enough, so i took off the bombs and began winning somewhat more often 

 

if i went low to bomb, i failed my assigned responsibilities to kill high altitude targets like bombers and other HFs

 

if i stayed high, then i couldn't hit anything with my bombs...    and my airspeed was reduced for the entire battle     grrrrr, WR... tell me you'll change that for T6+ someday?

 


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Another piece of advice: 

Never listen to MARS. He's Canadian. Nothing good comes from Canada anymore. Their most recent gift to the world was Justin Beiber. I rest my case :trollface:
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View PostLambo805, on 18 May 2018 - 01:17 AM, said:

Another piece of advice: 

Never listen to MARS. He's Canadian. Nothing good comes from Canada anymore. Their most recent gift to the world was Justin Beiber. I rest my case :trollface:
LOL

 

He has a point.  If you lose with the same plane, repeatedly, doing the same thing, it's not the game.  If you win some and lose some, with the same plane, doing the same thing, it might be the game.  Or a human team mate.  If you win more than you lose, doing the same thing with the same plane, then you are doing something right.

 

Losing, in and of itself, is not an indicator of your choices, necessarily.  Losing repeatedly probably is.


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View PostLambo805, on 17 May 2018 - 07:17 PM, said:

Another piece of advice: 

Never listen to MARS. He's Canadian. Nothing good comes from Canada anymore. Their most recent gift to the world was Justin Beiber. I rest my case :trollface:

 

Counterpoint:  Listen to MARS, or at least check out his haaands.  MARS: bring back the hand cam.  I miss it. 

 

But seriously, after watching some streams/videos of ya'll, and since I stink so bad, I've been thinking about going back to mouse+keyboard as that seems to be the best way to have situational awareness.  I'd have to start back at T1 but it's becoming more urgent as my second Logitech Extreme 3D Pro is starting to miss on certain buttons.  Cannot look right, sniper button now intermittent.  Starting to think that mouse+keyboard is better rather than buying my 3rd joystick.  Any advice out there?   


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View PostBobby_Tables, on 18 May 2018 - 03:00 AM, said:

 

.  Any advice out there?   

I bought a Corsair mouse (I made post on it a few weeks ago) and a Roccat mouse pad.  They work very well.



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View PostChilistreamz, on 12 May 2018 - 07:02 PM, said:

OK I don't know what is happening with the game as it stands at the moment and it seems there is no transparency so I can see why the current state of the game is the way it is. To provide some basic stats noting my grievance I was @ 1k games W/L ratio of 86% now @ 3.6k aprox games it has dropped to 50.8 and dropping. From what I can see and from others in my stream the game losing its player base and I'm reluctant to continue streaming it (Who wants to watch a player losing consistently?). I am presently struggling to get more than 1 win in 4 hours of game play. WG pls take note this is not a good player experience. It seems that my current losing streak (Going on 1 week now) is not uncommon as I have been informed by viewers of my stream. Where I used to attract new players to the game I now get responses like "Why would I want to play this game". 

So before you lose another person streaming your game resolve the issue that is being suffered by more than just myself.

Note to the haters: before you pew pew my post saying stuff like "GIT GUD, stop QQ ect ect", realise that these are the honest thoughts of a streamer that is on the point of moving to another game and promoting that instead.

 

 

Hey Chillis, sorry I haven't been on your channel. Between work and school I am not getting much free time. I get your frustration buddy. Keep fighting mate! I will be on this weekend if you want to flight up.



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View PostBobby_Tables, on 17 May 2018 - 10:00 PM, said:

 

Counterpoint:  Listen to MARS, or at least check out his haaands.  MARS: bring back the hand cam.  I miss it. 

 

But seriously, after watching some streams/videos of ya'll, and since I stink so bad, I've been thinking about going back to mouse+keyboard as that seems to be the best way to have situational awareness.  I'd have to start back at T1 but it's becoming more urgent as my second Logitech Extreme 3D Pro is starting to miss on certain buttons.  Cannot look right, sniper button now intermittent.  Starting to think that mouse+keyboard is better rather than buying my 3rd joystick.  Any advice out there?   

 

If you are going mouse and keyboard, a gaming mouse is definitely the way to go.  Here is one that I was sent.  It works great, especially since you can change the dpi  on it.  I had to increase it a lot going from 1.9 to 2.0.  I'd hate to try and play with a regular mouse.

 


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:great:


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View PostBobby_Tables, on 17 May 2018 - 10:00 PM, said:

 

Counterpoint:  Listen to MARS, or at least check out his haaands.  MARS: bring back the hand cam.  I miss it. 

 

But seriously, after watching some streams/videos of ya'll, and since I stink so bad, I've been thinking about going back to mouse+keyboard as that seems to be the best way to have situational awareness.  I'd have to start back at T1 but it's becoming more urgent as my second Logitech Extreme 3D Pro is starting to miss on certain buttons.  Cannot look right, sniper button now intermittent.  Starting to think that mouse+keyboard is better rather than buying my 3rd joystick.  Any advice out there?   

here ya go Boobie... a lil geek project... this is the fix... there are others

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Edited by Ace_BOTlistic_Cosmo, 19 May 2018 - 12:11 AM.

if the pilot's good, see, I mean, if he's really..sharp, he can barrel that baby in so low [he spreads his arms like wings and laughs],

you oughtta see it sometime, it's a sight. A big plane like a '52. VRROOM! There's jet exhaust, fryin' chickens in the barnyard.


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View PostMARS_REVENANT, on 18 May 2018 - 03:45 PM, said:

:great:

 

I wonder what filled this space a while back... hmmm?

if the pilot's good, see, I mean, if he's really..sharp, he can barrel that baby in so low [he spreads his arms like wings and laughs],

you oughtta see it sometime, it's a sight. A big plane like a '52. VRROOM! There's jet exhaust, fryin' chickens in the barnyard.


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View PostMARS_REVENANT, on 18 May 2018 - 08:53 AM, said:

 

If you are going mouse and keyboard, a gaming mouse is definitely the way to go.  Here is one that I was sent.  It works great, especially since you can change the dpi  on it.  I had to increase it a lot going from 1.9 to 2.0.  I'd hate to try and play with a regular mouse.

 

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