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MagusGerhardt #1 Posted 22 April 2018 - 10:56 PM

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The McDonnell XF-85 is an old jet design; so old that it's just McDonnell in the name, not McDonnell-Douglas.  The aircraft concept was conceived close to the end of WWII, when American heavy bombers like the B-17, B-24 and B-29 were escorted by long range single engine fighters like the P-47 and P-51.  The successors to these venerable bombers were already in development, though, and it was already known that no current fighter then in use or development would have the range to keep up with the next batch of monster bombers like the XB-35 and B-36.  In-flight refueling was still thought of as insanity and the cost to develop a specialized long-range fighter for bomber escort duty only was considered a combination of prohibitively expensive and likely impossible to keep up with constant range extensions that bomber iterations were developing.  The proposed solution was to return to the old idea of the parasite fighter; wherein a slow but very long range vehicle would carry its own point defense fighters for use in case of interception.

 

This was something the US armed forces had not used operationally since the loss of the flying aircraft carrier airships Akron and Macon before WWII.  It was an idea that the McDonnell engineers were eager to try, though, using the new technology of jet power and airfoil designs arising from the long conflict of the second world war.  The resulting design was an egg shaped fighter that carried minimal armament and fuel in order to concentrate on weight to thrust ratio and minimal wing loading.  The hope was that the design would be as fast as dedicated land or carrier based fighters while being much more maneuverable.  Maneuverability on the razor's edge of the time's technology was achieved, but her speed predictions turned out to be overly optimistic.  This underperformance as well as the great difficulty in re-attaching the fighter to its mothership after theoretical combat resulted in the cancellation of the project before either problem could be further addressed.  The Goblin underwent 7 test flights and only 3 of them resulted in successful re-attachments.  The other four resulted in heavy damage to the prototype aircraft from ramming against the mothership's trapeze and forced belly landings.  Amazingly all 7 test flights were flown by the same pilot, who survived the program without serious injury.

 

In Warplanes the Goblin has the makings of a very effective light fighter aircraft.  She provides an even smaller target to shoot at than the J8M Shusui (Me.163 Komet), with a cross section almost half the size of the latter from any direction.  Her boost duration is very shot at five seconds, but regenerates very quickly like the rocket interceptor I'm comparing her to.  The Goblin rolls faster than an Fw.190 and pitches as well as a jet-powered Zero, making her an absolute devil to shake off your tail once the Goblin latches on.  Her one failing in offense is her very weak machine guns.  She only carries four M3 50cals which boast a very short effective range of 600 meters.  However, with pilot skills and a gunsight along with some Universal ammo belts she can still pack a punch if the player using her can aim and keep them on target.  Like other American 50cal-centric fighters these guns can fire forever before overheating and combining their 1200rpm fire rate with universal ammo belts means you can set fire to anyone you choose.

 

The Goblin can be a serious PITA if you're flying solo with her, but I think that she'll be most useful when used in a flight to keep the tail clear for something larger and slower turning with bigger guns.  Overall, she's a worthy addition to my hangar, and I highly recommend her to collectors and players who use American fighters as their strong class.  If you're neither of those but have the coin to spare I'd recommend her as well; you'll never know when a different tier IX premium will show up here, or if this one is ever going to be sold again.

 

Good hunting!  :honoring:


 

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Reitousair #2 Posted 22 April 2018 - 11:29 PM

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Mmm, not a half bad history lesson along with a rough sketch of how the plane works, as expected of your work.

 

While I'm not $70 interested in it (it also doesn't help I just purchased the JL-1A-37), I might think about obtaining it for free if it goes up as an event reward. But, it being a better FJ-1 with less boost and firepower seems to be an interesting tradeoff. However for the most part the Goblinseems to be a case of really good plane with some seriously questionable firepower, just like the P-51A. Actually that's a pretty good way to summarize it, a tier 9 P-51A.


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MagusGerhardt #3 Posted 22 April 2018 - 11:40 PM

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View PostReitousair, on 22 April 2018 - 04:29 PM, said:

Mmm, not a half bad history lesson along with a rough sketch of how the plane works, as expected of your work.

 

While I'm not $70 interested in it (it also doesn't help I just purchased the JL-1A-37), I might think about obtaining it for free if it goes up as an event reward. But, it being a better FJ-1 with less boost and firepower seems to be an interesting tradeoff. However for the most part the Goblinseems to be a case of really good plane with some seriously questionable firepower, just like the P-51A. Actually that's a pretty good way to summarize it, a tier 9 P-51A.

 

I wanted to say this so badly but decided to break it down by category and let the viewers draw their own conclusions.

 

Basically...if you like the P-51 series of aircraft at their own tiers...you will love the Goblin.  Same strengths, only better...and the same weakness.


 

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ArrowZ_ #4 Posted 22 April 2018 - 11:48 PM

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The only thing I disagree with the current rise to this T9 Premium is the price tag (costs $88 AUD on my end - a deluxe edition equivalent of a AAA title). But it isn't too bad if they've bundled it with the A26B for literally the same price tag. Other than that it looks like a promising high silver earner at higher tiers. Going to wait for the "reward" part of this premium to get it.

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ClosedCoffin #5 Posted 22 April 2018 - 11:58 PM

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That 9 skill pilot keeps calling to me, may or may not be available in future iterations of this plane.

MagusGerhardt #6 Posted 23 April 2018 - 12:19 AM

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View PostArrowZ_, on 22 April 2018 - 04:48 PM, said:

The only thing I disagree with the current rise to this T9 Premium is the price tag (costs $88 AUD on my end - a deluxe edition equivalent of a AAA title). But it isn't too bad if they've bundled it with the A26B for literally the same price tag. Other than that it looks like a promising high silver earner at higher tiers. Going to wait for the "reward" part of this premium to get it.

 

I've been listening to the word coming out on this aircraft, ArrowZ, and I think there might not be an "event giveaway" for her.

 

As it stands, the price of $70 US isn't that bad, considering that she comes with an advanced pilot, almost 5k gold and a week's worth of premium time.  That's 40 dollars US off full asking price for the bundle components.  Believe me, I would love it if this bird could be earned through an event in the future...but I was doubting enough of that eventuality that I pulled the trigger and dropped the coin for her on day one of release.


 

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It'd be a real shame if they don't. SonicPariah did mention something along the lines of a reward event. But without further details it's just rumors at this point.

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Very nicely done Magus :honoring: almost makes me want to play again, as usual though wowp making a star out of a dud plane in real life.:sceptic:

Could of done without Trump butting in lol but i guess thats his way.:hiding:

 

 

 


                                                                                                                                                                                               

MagusGerhardt #9 Posted 23 April 2018 - 02:34 AM

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View PostRockstone_, on 22 April 2018 - 07:06 PM, said:

Very nicely done Magus :honoring: almost makes me want to play again, as usual though wowp making a star out of a dud plane in real life.:sceptic:

Could of done without Trump butting in lol but i guess thats his way.:hiding:

 

 

 

 

Take them for the memes they are and have a laugh.  :teethhappy:  The plane was a "dud" historically for reasons other than her performance.  She's still slow compared to her contemporaries (The tier Xs) but she dogfights very very well.  :playing:

 

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hamhockjones #10 Posted 23 April 2018 - 06:23 PM

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Asking so much for a virtual reality plane is almost nuts... Like buying a car, you should at least be allowed to test drive before even considering buying it.. 10 dollars sounds more like a price that would attract more interest.., Like the p51-A, Nice plane but has a BB gun as a weapon...   JONES

 



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AWWW YISSS!!!

Very nice contribution.

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I nice work sir :honoring:!  I love that plane, it's so much fun to fly.

 

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MagusGerhardt #13 Posted 24 April 2018 - 01:33 AM

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View PostBlucraft, on 23 April 2018 - 05:38 PM, said:

I nice work sir :honoring:!  I love that plane, it's so much fun to fly.

 

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The only other thing I can compare it to in all of my gaming history is flying the Tie Defender in the old Lucasarts Tie Fighter series of games.  No matter what the Goblin's angle of attack on the target, that insane roll rate combined with a sick ability to pitch up or down means that once she latches on there is no getting rid of her unless someone else swats her off your tail or you have a serious speed advantage.

 


 

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