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MacDaddyMatty #1 Posted 13 April 2018 - 02:22 PM

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Want...

 

 

 

- To strafe the airplanes that are sitting on the flight line on the airfield capture points. 

WHY ARE THEY NOT a round-target capture portion?

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- To hunt frigates and convoys in my A-26.

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- He 111

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- Dauntless

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- To divebomb in my Stuka, and a siren!

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- Bomber escort/intercept mission

Have a map with 2 linear sets of capture garrisons


 

(bombers) --> o --> o --> o (spawn)

/\/\  /\/\/\  /\  /\/\/\  /\ /\/\/\ /\/\

(spawn) o <-- o <-- o <-- o (bombers)

 

Primarily bomber squadrons attacking from spawns.

GAA can attack the garrisons, fighters can escort/intercept or dogfight.


 


 

SO GIT TA WERK DEVS!

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NorthernPorter #2 Posted 13 April 2018 - 02:35 PM

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Sounds fun, I'd enjoy all those suggestions!

MacDaddyMatty #3 Posted 13 April 2018 - 02:37 PM

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Also

(I'm on a roll now, and haven't even started drinking yet!)


 

An open ocean map where:

 

- The airfield is an aircraft carrier.

- AA is destroyers

- other capture buildings are depicted as support ships.


  The military base is a battleship.

- AA is destroyers

- other capture buildings are depicted as support ships.


 

Garrisons are convoys...
 

Hey, actually this one could satisfy

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 - Hunt frigates in my A-26

 

 


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NovaTempest #4 Posted 13 April 2018 - 04:56 PM

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View PostMacDaddyMatty, on 13 April 2018 - 02:22 PM, said:

Want...

- To strafe the airplanes that are sitting on the flight line on the airfield capture points. 

WHY ARE THEY NOT a round-target capture portion?

- To hunt frigates and convoys in my A-26.

- He 111

- Dauntless

- To divebomb in my Stuka, and a siren!

 

View PostMacDaddyMatty, on 13 April 2018 - 02:37 PM, said:

An open ocean map where:

- The airfield is an aircraft carrier.

- AA is destroyers

- other capture buildings are depicted as support ships.
  The military base is a battleship.

- AA is destroyers

- other capture buildings are depicted as support ships.

Garrisons are convoys...

 

1. If WoWP were to revert the ground target system to the pre-2.0 builds - but still use capturable sectors system that is in place now - this probably would be a thing. Because Pre-2.0, they had artillery positions, ongoing tank battles, supply convoys, warships, and a whole manner of other things as ground targets. This is one of my few irks with post 2.0 WoWP, they reduced the variety of ground targets to buildings on land-locked maps, and destroyers, which only show up on island maps.

 

2. See 1.

 

3. The Do-17Z, Ju-88A, and Do-17M are already in the game as a T4 T5 and T6 respectively, the He-111 would likely fall under T4 or T5, and those positions are already filled by lesser known bombers. Though to be fair, the He-111 was more of a strike bomber, it could carry a single (or pair) of very destructive bombs to a target, [IIRC from IL-2 Sturmovik, it could equip SC-1000s, which would have twice the explosive power of the most powerful bombs currently in game.] It will likely either make cameo appearances in bomber attack groups, or appear as a premium bomber, if it is to be added later.

 

4. The SBD Dauntless would probably wind up in an American GAA line if the devs decide to put one in, I would think the point of an American GAA line would be massive bomb and rocket power, but weak gun power at first, some protected with defensive turrets. [I recently mentioned the Douglas A-1 Skyraider in another topic, first introduced in 1949, it could carry a wide array of bombs and rockets, but also had a solid gun armament.]

 

5. The signature airbrakes of the Stukas have been talked about before, the devs would have to make a stuka separate from the one currently in the game, and also give it special airbrake mechanics, because there is already an airbrake button in the game to slow your plane down, but they would have to give the original Stukas a special treatment. This is likely to not happen for quite some time, if at all.

 

6. Also talked about and up in the air at the moment with the development team, IIRC they have been mentioning working on a mode like this.

 

7. While an ocean map would be neat, it would break the current setup of the game, and would force the devs to introduce certain aircraft types to compensate.

 

Because not all aircraft were designed to be able to be launched from carriers [IIRC the B-17s that participated in the Doolittle raid had to be modified to a certain degree in order to take off from a carrier deck]. This would also limit what planes would be available for use to the following craft currently in the game (That i know of that were able to launch from carriers):

 

  • F2F
  • F3F
  • F4F
  • F4U-1
  • F4U-4
  • F2G
  • FJ-1 Fury
  • F7F Tigercat
  • YP-29
  • XF8B
  • XF15C (Oddly enough)
  • XFL-1
  • F2H Banshee
  • A5M
  • A6M1
  • A6M2
  • A6M3 exp.
  • A6M5
  • Seafang F.32
  • Attacker
  • Hurricane MK I & II

 

With the current state of the game, that would limit these battle types to only 3 nations (barely). The devs would have to consider adding the following aircraft to balance it out (That I have heard of so far):

 

  • Bf-109 T (experimental version of the 109 that was to be used on the Graf Zepplin carriers)
  • Supermarine Type 508 (Prototype for the Supermarine Scimitar)
  • FJ-2 Fury
  • FJ-3 Fury
  • AJ Savage
  • A2J Super Savage
  • AM Mauler
  • A-20 Havoc
  • F6F Hellcat
  • F9C Sparrowhawk
  • XF14C
  • F3D Skyknight
  • F6D
  • Seafire
  • Sea Gladiator
  • Nimrod
  • Blackburn Roc
  • Sea Fury
  • Sea Hawk
  • Sea Hurricane
  • Sea Venom
  • Sea Vampire
  • Sea Vixen

 

This still leaves out the Russians, Chinese, French, and barely includes Germany, while greatly reducing Japan's presence for such full-naval engagements, and im not even sure all these examples I listed were meant for carrier-borne operations.

 

Overall, while it is a novel idea, there are WAY TOO MANY questions and problems that would need to be addressed by the devs. If anything it would likely show up as an event mode within the next few years.



MacDaddyMatty #5 Posted 13 April 2018 - 05:16 PM

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No its simple.

- Ground based airplanes attacked ships in open water quite a bit.

Both in and around the English channel and in island chains like the Solomon's.

Convoys from England to Russia were constantly harassed by land based German aircraft.

Keep the current slate of aircraft and open water map!

(plus its an arcade game, there exist much greater inaccuracies to get pedantic over).


 

Stuka

- Premium with 1 big and 2 small bombs (and a siren).

Use the in game airbrake.


 

Dauntless

- Alt tier GAA (P-40 is Tier 5 and leads to P-38 also Tier 5).


 

Bummer about what you said re: pre-2.0 builds

That sounds like it was a lot of fun.


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NovaTempest #6 Posted 13 April 2018 - 05:29 PM

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View PostMacDaddyMatty, on 13 April 2018 - 05:16 PM, said:

No its simple.

- Ground based airplanes attacked ships in open water quite a bit.

Both in and around the English channel and in island chains like the Solomon's.

Convoys from England to Russia were constantly harassed by land based German aircraft.

Keep the current slate of aircraft and open water map!

(plus its an arcade game, there exist much greater inaccuracies to get pedantic over).


 

Stuka

- Premium with 1 big and 2 small bombs (and a siren).

Use the in game airbrake.


 

Dauntless

- Alt tier GAA (P-40 is Tier 5 and leads to P-38 also Tier 5).


 

Bummer about what you said re: pre-2.0 builds

That sounds like it was a lot of fun.

 

- I wasnt disagreeing with you necessarily about the whole attacking ships thing, only that it would take an extensive amount of work to re-implement to the complexity you are speaking of. (there's also the question of should these targets be able to move? among others. which would invite things like torpedoes and such), and to your blue text, yes, we do not disagree there either.

 

- A premium Stuka would be a bit awkward, i'd rather see a line of unique "precision" bombers bloom off from it.

 

- I would think an American GAA would start quite sooner than tier 4-5, the U.S worked on a boatload of naval aircraft designs in the 30's that could perfectly fit the role of T4, T3 and even T2 ground attack craft. Now that were speaking on it i could see American GAA's being relatively agile early on with weak guns, and in higher tiers, strong guns but not quite as agile as their lower tier counterparts (though more agile than both german and russian GAAs), with not as much HP as either one.

 

 



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I'm liking all this talk about american GAAs :popcorn:


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MacDaddyMatty #8 Posted 13 April 2018 - 06:38 PM

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See, I'm thinking simple.

- Take an existing map.

- Change the elevation of all land to below sea-level.

- Change the building models to look like ships (except the destroyers, they already look like ships).

Done.


 

No movement, no need. It can be simulated with a wake effect if desired.

Torpedo planes would be AWESOME, but leave em out for simplicity.

The more complex the less chance of it ever happening.


 

 

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In WoT, there are often changes to the tech tree.

There are lots of partial lines that dive in and out of other lines. This allows for tanks to be in the game that otherwise would be left out.

Instead of doing an entire line all at once, they do it in pieces and change the line as they go - they also often end up giving free tanks when they change the lines! So, throw the Dauntless and other aircraft in there as an alt tier-whatever, then later create the whole independent line. Simplicity.


 


 

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View PostLMG, on 13 April 2018 - 06:11 PM, said:

I'm liking all this talk about american GAAs :popcorn:

 

Maybe I should start a topic on that. I have some ideas regarding one. :D

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OOoooo, Had a thought!

 

On the ocean map where the airfield is a carrier and etc...

The bombers could be low flying waves of TBF Avengers, "Kates" (Nakajima B5N), and Dauntlesses!


 

Basically the same as the Command Center bomber waves only coming in low and dropping torpedoes.


 

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MacDaddyMatty #11 Posted 24 April 2018 - 05:05 PM

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Bump!


 

Oh and getting rammed head-on by the base defense fighters, is that an intentional tactic?

Please stop that,

or better...


 

Air to air collisions are 99+% fatal to both aircraft.

Make that a thing!


 


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View PostMacDaddyMatty, on 24 April 2018 - 12:05 PM, said:

Bump!


Oh and getting rammed head-on by the base defense fighters, is that an intentional tactic?

Please stop that,

or better...


Air to air collisions are 99+% fatal to both aircraft.

Make that a thing!

 

Only bots flying heavies go for rams intentionally, anything else is AI derp. Making rams guaranteed kills is only going to make the issue worse, on top of nerfing high HP aircraft to the ground


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View PostLMG, on 24 April 2018 - 05:26 PM, said:

 

Only bots flying heavies go for rams intentionally, anything else is AI derp. Making rams guaranteed kills is only going to make the issue worse, on top of nerfing high HP aircraft to the ground

 

Maybe, but then there should be significant damage to the survivor.

Not like it currently is.


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View PostMacDaddyMatty, on 24 April 2018 - 01:20 PM, said:

Maybe, but then there should be significant damage to the survivor.

Not like it currently is.

 

Idk, most rams on my GAAs knocks out the engine or a wing. It's not like I can get out of the way either, so the last thing I need is having someone constantly chasing me down and crashing into me for a nearly-guaranteed kill


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How about landing? I want to land my planes...

Can we make that a thing? After they fix the atrociously bad Spitfire landing gear model?

 


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View PostLambo805, on 24 April 2018 - 07:46 PM, said:

How about landing? I want to land my planes...

Can we make that a thing? After they fix the atrociously bad Spitfire landing gear model?

 

 

Not to sound like a smartass, but what situation would you rather be in...

 

A. In a non-zero against a zero

 

B. Landed on the ground being strafed by literally any plane.

 

Honestly I'd take A any day.


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This post is a very elaborate bump...

 

Last night I was watching Death of the Yamoto

 

And I was thinking:

How cool would it be if the Missle Base on an all sea map (see post above) was laid out as this huge ship?!

Several AAA guns... GAA targets at different areas of the boat...


 

COME ON WG - do eeeeeeet!


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God, I love this thread. These things ALL need to happen.

 



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All super solid ideas. Some I have tossed around. Some have been suggested previously but some are brand new.

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View PostSonicPariah, on 16 May 2018 - 06:51 PM, said:

All super solid ideas. Some I have tossed around. Some have been suggested previously but some are brand new.

 

Frankly I just think there are way too many questions to answer here now, but like i have said in the past on this topic, perhaps in the near future when the game has been adequately built up further.




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